Hey Pass the Armor Piercing Bullets... IT'S MY RIGHT!
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World Net Daily columnist and former Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum on Sunday insisted that Americans were entitled to armor-piercing bullets because they are “a right in our country.”
“Armor-piercing bullets, why do you need that?” Granholm
“Why do you need to protect Hollywood?” Santorum.
“You’re deflecting, Deer don’t wear armor. Why do you need an armor-piercing bullet?” Granholm.
“But criminals could,” Santorum
“And police officers certainly do,” Granholm
“Having the ability to defend yourself is something that is a right in our country,” Santorum
When these crazies talk about 'gun rights' you can almost smell the fear!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
What defines armor when talking about armor piercing bullets?
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
What defines armor when talking about armor piercing bullets?
IMO, as pertaining to gun control,
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Definition. - In this section, the term "armor-piercing ammunition" means a center-fire cartridge the military designation of which includes the term "armor penetrator" or "armor- piercing", including a center-fire cartridge designated as armor-piercing incendiary (API) or armor-piercing incendiary-tracer (API-T).
On the left, armor piercing, on the right, armor piercing tracer. (Military surpluss)
Others consider the term to mean "Teflon" bullets often called "cop killer" bullets. Similar to these:
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Its all BS unless they define what the armor is that they're trying to stop the bullet from penetrating, if they want to stop bullets that will go through a vest they would need to ban almost all rifle rounds, by the way the term cop killer bullet was a fake term created by the anti-gun crowd. Police were more pissed about the media hyping up that term because they found more criminals trying to obtain those bullets after they were being hyped up, basically they were never a problem until the gungrabbers made it a problem.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
During the early 1980s, there was quite a bit of controversy about teflon-coated bullets. Some news articles even went so far as to label them as "cop killers". The reader is probably thinking at this point, "Teflon? Isn't that the stuff that they coat non-stick cooking pans with? Why is that so dangerous?" This article aims to clear up the mystery.
Teflon coated bullet
Our story starts in the 1960s, when a company called KTW Inc. (named after the founders last names, Kopsch, Turcos and Ward) from Ohio was trying to develop a bullet with better penetration characteristics. Common handgun bullets which were largely made of lead, had the problem of deforming upon hitting a hard surface, such as a car door or a windshield, and became less effective after they deformed. KTW was trying to invent a better bullet for use by police departments (in fact, one of the founders, Daniel Turcos, was a police sergeant at that time and the other two founders worked in the coroner's office of the Ohio police department).
They eventually settled on a bullet design that consisted of a steel core, with an outer jacket made of hardened brass. This bullet offered much better penetration than older lead bullets, but it had a problem because of the hardened brass layer on the outside of the bullet. This hard layer did not engage the handgun's rifling very well and the friction caused the barrels to wear out prematurely. To reduce the barrel wear, the inventors coated the outside of the bullets with teflon, because teflon is very slippery and is one of the best lubricating substances known to man (the same reasons why teflon is used to coat the surfaces of non-stick pots and pans).
In 1982, NBC ran a special television report on these bullets where they argued that these bullets were a danger to police officers (many police departments had requested NBC not to run that program). After that television show, many American gun-control groups started to call these bullets as "cop killers" because they could penetrate the ballistic vests that many policemen used to wear at that time. Unfortunately, many of these reports wrongly reported that the teflon coating was the reason that these bullets had better penetration, rather than the hardened brass jacket which was the real reason. Movies and TV shows continued to spread the myth that coating ordinary bullets with teflon suddenly made them capable of piercing armor plates.
Because of the publicity, North Carolina, South Carolina, Oregon and Oklahoma have laws that make it illegal to possess teflon coated bullets, while Virginia makes it illegal to use teflon coated bullets to commit a crime.
KTW stopped producing these bullets in the 1990s and they're not encountered as much these days. However, there are other manufacturers who coat their bullets with other lubricating substances, such as molybdenum disulfide, wax, lubalox etc.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Its all BS unless they define what the armor is that they're trying to stop the bullet from penetrating, if they want to stop bullets that will go through a vest they would need to ban almost all rifle rounds, by the way the term cop killer bullet was a fake term created by the anti-gun crowd. Police were more pissed about the media hyping up that term because they found more criminals trying to obtain those bullets after they were being hyped up, basically they were never a problem until the gungrabbers made it a problem.
Henry, you asked... I tried to show you what I used in the military that was 'armored piercing'... BTW, Using armored piercing rounds in your hunting rifle will seriously shorten the life of that rifle because the armored round is hardened wears out rifle bores much quicker than conventional rounds. The NRA still opposes the ban.
As I posted, the Teflon bullets were often called 'cop killer' bullets... The NRA also opposes their ban.
I thought you were looking for information... if you want the actual definition in the ban... LOOK IT UP!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The teen is charged with two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death.
he was probably diagnosed in the public school system and they started to F with his head, the social workers, psychologists and finally the nail in all those people's coffins, the psychiatrist prescribing the medications he/she thought that he 'needed'....
I pass the sh!t out at work like candy, and that's for elderly folks who have NO HORMONES RAGING IN THEIR BODIES....and it's pretty pathetic....
communal living/working/learning requires a status quo and we've all come to the point of medical status quo...
feel safe?
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Henry, you asked... I tried to show you what I used in the military that was 'armored piercing'... BTW, Using armored piercing rounds in your hunting rifle will seriously shorten the life of that rifle because the armored round is hardened wears out rifle bores much quicker than conventional rounds. The NRA still opposes the ban.
As I posted, the Teflon bullets were often called 'cop killer' bullets... The NRA also opposes their ban.
I thought you were looking for information... if you want the actual definition in the ban... LOOK IT UP!
Because there isn't any real answer unless they define armor and that is where they will fall apart, the teflon coated bullets were nothing but a scare tactic by the gungrabbers and they were the ones who labeled them cop killers. There is no reason to ban them other then maybe making people "feel" safer
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Don't blame the NRA for the negligent gun owner who got his family killed.
The son who did the rest of the family used a gun from his own home.
I posted the full stories in another thread.
But how is box supposed to politicize it?
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Because there isn't any real answer unless they define armor and that is where they will fall apart, the teflon coated bullets were nothing but a scare tactic by the gungrabbers and they were the ones who labeled them cop killers. There is no reason to ban them other then maybe making people "feel" safer
Armored piercing rounds were invented long before body armor. They were designed to go through light military armored vehicles.
From 2004
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- When properly wearing the appropriate body armor, not one law enforcement officer has ever been killed by a handgun bullet penetrating their vest. The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) certifies three levels of body armor. The most commonly worn, Level IIA, offers realistic protection against all .22, .25, .32, .380, and .38, caliber handgun ammunition, against most 9mm, .357 Magnum, .40 S&W, .45 ACP and .44 Magnum handgun ammunition and against 000 buck shotgun pellets. Level II and Level IIIA armor protects from even greater threats including 12 gauge shotgun slugs and the "hottest" .44 Magnum rounds.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Armored piercing rounds were invented long before body armor. They were designed to go through light military armored vehicles.
From 2004
You're jumping around, what rounds do you want to be banned, you posted about Santorum as if he said something wrong but fail to say why he is wrong. Are you worried about military armored vehicles or body armor which Santorum was reffering to?
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
You're jumping around, what rounds do you want to be banned, you posted about Santorum as if he said something wrong but fail to say why he is wrong. Are you worried about military armored vehicles or body armor which Santorum was reffering to?
I would really like to know why body armor is illegal for non-cops.
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