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Again, you post as if what you are saying is a FACT, when we both know that it's your OPINION.

Your fictional view of the world... ignores that your FICTIONAL RIGHTS are illegal and can get you
arrested in many countries of the world.

In the laws that govern societies,  your OPINION disagrees with the FACTS.  I know, I know... you
don't recognize laws... and the rest of the world doesn't recognize your OPINION.



THIS is the rod in Box's back.....the law's are OK as long as they fit YOUR agenda and if at the time the $$$ is swayed
in that direction...you'll be leaving that for your posterity and calling it an 'at least' so when you're no longer here
they 'have an issue' and mental hygiene says they are no longer 'clean enough'..blah blah blah...I'm sure you can
follow that end....

not to 'big picture think'

you have the freedom to live next door to someone and have faith in the human to 'behave' to your liking, with respect
for their choice to do the same next door to you.

OR

you have the freedom to build yourself a compound without guns



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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So yea... the 2nd amendment had no impact one way or the other on the US revolution.


I would expect this from somebody with no historical context and believes Andrew Cuomo's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment that it was written to protect hunters.  

You have no historical context as to the spirit of the 2nd Amendment or English Common law, which is what the founders used as much of the basis for the Constitution. The 2nd Amendment wasn't necessary pre revolutionary war because they were not subjected to a government gun grab until 1774 and 1775 with the British's 1774 import ban on firearms and gunpowder and the 1774-75 confiscations of firearms and gunpowder under the Coercive Act. The Coercive Act is what gave the right to the British to quarter soldier anywhere in the Colonies.  Hence the 2nd and 3rd Amendments.  

The Second Amendment may not have been written by the federal government or "accepted" internationally, but Pennsylvania's constitution enumerated the right to bear arms in 1776.

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No. XIII of the Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776’s Declaration of Rights stated, “That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.”


Obviously the Founders had personal experience with tyrants and tyrannical gun grabbers, and had the foresight to protect future Americans from tyrants.  

Ok...lets go back to cartoon history.


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Box the constitution or bill of rights just lists the rights we already had, it doesn't give us anything. The right to bear arms was a right before the 2nd amendment and it will be a right as long as man walks this earth.


Box doesn't believe in natural rights only state granted right.  And he supports that those rights granted are regulated at the end of a barrel of a gun.  So the restrictions on your natural right to bear arm is enforced by guns.   It's quite ironic.


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Cut and paste is no substitute for a higher education and a desire to learn. Regurgitating leftist propaganda makes for nice soundbites, and many kudos from the fellow travelers at the tea shop. It does not replace critical thinking and the unquenchable thirst for knowledge. The first step to understanding is an open mind without the clouded haze of Marx. But for that generation, waking up is hard to do.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Box doesn't believe in natural rights only state granted right.  And he supports that those rights granted are regulated at the end of a barrel of a gun.  So the restrictions on your natural right to bear arm is enforced by guns.   It's quite ironic.


I wonder what he would say if a politician wanted to regulate his religion or lack of one the way they try to attack the 2nd amendment. Imagine a rep coming out with a bill which would deny him the right to be an atheist with the argument that he still has the right to practice Christianity and other religions. That is the same argument they use to attack the 2nd and assault rifles, hey why do you need to be a atheist when other religions offer so much more.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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My rights are "GUARANTEED" by the US Constitution.  My RIGHT to freedom of (or from) religion, my
RIGHT to bear arms, my RIGHT to free speech... are just words unless there is a Constitution and a
system to guarantee those rights in the courts.  

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Natural rights are rights not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular
culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable. In contrast, legal rights are
those bestowed onto a person by a given legal system.


For those who consider their 1st amendment freedom of religion to be a "natural right"... try practicing
your Christian religion in Saudi Arabia.   If Saudi Arabia were governed by the US constitution, then
practicing Christianity in Saudi Arabia would be an actual RIGHT not just a theoretical, natural RIGHT.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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My rights are "GUARANTEED" by the US Constitution.  My RIGHT to freedom of (or from) religion, my
RIGHT to bear arms, my RIGHT to free speech... are just words unless there is a Constitution and a
system to guarantee those rights in the courts.  


The self evident truths are rights that need no papers.

Equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Provided at birth, even without any laws.



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The rest of us pay the tab for GunHuggers obsession with guns.

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Firearms-related deaths cost the U.S. health care system and economy $37 billion in 2005,
the most recent year for which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention attempted an estimate.
The cost of those who survive gun violence came to another $3.7 billion that year, according to the CDC.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The rest of us pay the tab for GunHuggers obsession with guns.



and all of us pay for a soon to be gated America that the lefty gun grabbers want.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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and all of us pay for a soon to be gated America that the lefty gun grabbers want.....


"and all of us pay for a soon to be gated America that the lefty gun grabbers want....."

The more I read Senders posts... the more I'm convinced that he/she is a "Random Word Generator
Bot.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The rest of us pay the tab for GunHuggers obsession with guns.



Wasn't it you who said healthcare is a right, don't b**ch now


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Wasn't it you who said healthcare is a right, don't b**ch now


Yea.  If I had my way, the USA would offer healthcare and education, including preschool,
and 2 years of college, for all Americans.

If GunHuggers want guns, then they should insure them for the medical damage they do to
society.  Just like owning a car requires medical coverage for damage done by that car.

Guns are a right... but like most rights guaranteed by the Constitution, it's a "limited" right.
(So says Justice Scalia).


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Yea.  If I had my way, the USA would offer healthcare and education, including preschool,
and 2 years of college, for all Americans.

If GunHuggers want guns, then they should insure them for the medical damage they do to
society.  Just like owning a car requires medical coverage for damage done by that car.

Guns are a right... but like most rights guaranteed by the Constitution, it's a "limited" right.
(So says Justice Scalia).


So says justice Scalia lmao, how would you feel if justice Scalia limited your right to choose what religion you wanted would you be ok with that. By the way you don't have a right which needs to take from others to fulfill that right be it money or labor, that is why you leftist fail.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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So says justice Scalia lmao, how would you feel if justice Scalia limited your right to choose what religion you wanted would you be ok with that. By the way you don't have a right which needs to take from others to fulfill that right be it money or labor, that is why you leftist fail.


Then you have no RIGHT to drive on "my" roads, use "my" schools, or use "my" fire dept.
I don't mind paying taxes for "my" services.  But since you do... don't use em!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Then you have no RIGHT to drive on "my" roads, use "my" schools, or use "my" fire dept.
I don't mind paying taxes for "my" services.  But since you do... don't use em!


I have no problem paying for a service if I use it, if I don't use it I shouldn't have to pay for it. That's the difference box you want people who don't use the services to have to pay for others who do, you don't see a problem with that?


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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