The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
According to Cic and a few others, because I "proudly" wore a uniform, by my own choice, and was in Vietnam, I am automatically a baby killer and associated with massacres and perform as a government puppet....a characterization that is so far from the truth, but yet prevasive with a few here.
It was during John Kerry's testimony to congress that characterized soldiers as "baby killers". That's not my characterization. Should I not believe him? He was the Democrat presidential candidate and current nominee for secretary of state.
“I grew up in the hunting culture, but this is nuts”. Why does anybody need a 30 round clip for a gun? Why does anybody need one of those things that carries 100 bullets? The guy in Colorado had one of those.” “Half of all mass killings in the United States have occurred since the assault weapons ban expired in 2005. Half, in all of the history of the country."
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
In a powerful and emotional State of the State address on Wednesday, Connecticut’s Governor Dannel Malloy displayed the kind of leadership needed throughout the nation on the issue of gun control. Overcome by emotion as he spoke of the courage of the teachers and administrators of Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, the governor had to stop and compose himself. Then Malloy went on to take a stand on guns that brought the assembled legislators to their feet in a burst of applause. He said:
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“When it comes to preventing future acts of violence in our schools, let me say this: more guns are not the answer. (standing ovation) Let me be very, very clear. Freedom is not a handgun on the hip of every teacher, and security should not mean a guard posted outside every classroom. That is not who we are in Connecticut, and it is not who we will allow ourselves to become.”
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
It was during John Kerry's testimony to congress that characterized soldiers as "baby killers". That's not my characterization. Should I not believe him? He was the Democrat presidential candidate and current nominee for secretary of state.
Why would you believe him when you batantly don't believe anyone else, especially Government and Politicians....and save me the trouble...in what context was this used? Why do you SELECTIVELY choose what to believe...is it becuase it fits the CICERO's WORLD mold!!!!
OH WELL...WHAT THE HELL...LET ME HELP YOU HERE.... YOU'RE INFORMATION IS 100% FLAWED AND WRONG ONCE AGAIN!
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Limbaugh sub host: Kerry "coined the phrase 'baby killers'" Research August 27, 2004 1:18 PM EDT ››› KATIE BARGE & MICHELLE JEUNG 0 Filling in as host of Rush Limbaugh's radio show on August 25, radio host and former San Diego mayor Roger Hedgecock said Senator John Kerry "coined the phrase 'baby killers'" in reference to soldiers fighting in Vietnam. While Hedgecock claimed that Kerry "first brought up that phrase" in his 1971 testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Kerry did not use this phrase in an audio clip from the testimony that Hedgecock played on the show, at any other point in his testimony or, apparently, at any other time.
From the August 25 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show:
HEDGECOCK: He [Kerry] was the one who coined the phrase "baby killers." That's the phrase returning veterans from Vietnam had to hear, including [former senator] Max Cleland [(D-GA)], when they came home, when they were spit on in airports. I remember this stuff, when they were called "baby killers." It was John Kerry's testimony that first brought up that phrase. In fact, I think we have that phrase somewhere in the testimony. Now listen to this. This is the testimony before the Foreign Relations Committee of April 22, 1971. I stress again, and I wish these members of Congress would remember this, these veterans who are standing up for Kerry today who say that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, that those ads by attacking John Kerry attack all veterans' records. How about this attack on veterans?
KERRY AUDIO CLIP: They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
As Media Matters for America has noted, when Kerry testified in 1971 before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in his capacity as spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), he did not "attack" veterans; rather, he related the stories of other Vietnam veterans who came home and testified to their personal experiences in what was known as the Winter Soldier Investigation, which VVAW had commissioned a few months earlier in Detroit, Michigan. Nor did Kerry's testimony blame the soldiers who reported having committed atrocities in Vietnam.
While Kerry did not describe soldiers in Vietnam as "baby killers" during his Senate testimony or apparently at any other time, the term appears in the book Unfit for Command: Vietnam Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, co-authored by Jerome R. Corsi and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth co-founder John E. O'Neill. Anti-Kerry veteran William Franke is quoted on page 51 of the book as follows: "I will tell you in all candor that the only baby killer I knew in Vietnam was John F. Kerry." In a May 14 article at Salon.com, Joe Conason reported that Franke is "well known in Missouri as a longtime Republican Party activist and financier" with "strong commercial interests in Southeast Asia."
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Why would you believe him when you batantly don't believe anyone else, especially Government and Politicians....and save me the trouble...in what context was this used? Why do you SELECTIVELY choose what to believe...is it becuase it fits the CICERO's WORLD mold!!!!
OH WELL...WHAT THE HELL...LET ME HELP YOU HERE.... YOU'RE INFORMATION IS 100% FLAWED AND WRONG ONCE AGAIN!
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Secretary of State John Kerry say's there is no reason for U.S. troops terrorizing Iraqi's
It was during John Kerry's testimony to congress that characterized soldiers as "baby killers". That's not my characterization. Should I not believe him? He was the Democrat presidential candidate and current nominee for secretary of state.
Cicero... Do you have an actual link of John Kerry calling US soldiers "baby killers"?
I'd like to read it.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Why do you SELECTIVELY choose what to believe...is it becuase it fits the CICERO's WORLD mold!!!!
No Joebxr, it's just the opposite. You want MY WORLD VIEW to fit Joebxr's world view, because Joebxr's world view is the correct world view, and anything outside of that is WRONG. Isn't that correct Joebxr? It upsets you that I'm not a flag waving, yellow ribbon bumper sticker having, U.S. soldier hero worshipping sheep. I know who pulls the trigger, I know who launches the bombs, it upsets you that I actually hold those people accountable as individuals instead of exonerating them from their personal responsibilities as a human being, just because they did these things while wearing a government issued costume.
If the wacked out kid at Sandy Hook did what he did while wearing the official costume at the direction of a government official, I would be expected to treat him as a hero.
Cicero... Do you have an actual link of John Kerry calling US soldiers "baby killers"?
I'd like to read it.
I don't care if he did or not. Listen to the testimony. If you wanna play the gotcha game and need me to retract the "baby killers"(that is what joebxr put in his post BTW) I will. I don't think the rest of Kerry's testimony was any less damning to the U.S. soldier without it.
I don't care if he did or not. Listen to the testimony. If you wanna play the gotcha game and need me to retract the "baby killers"(that is what joebxr put in his post BTW) I will. I don't think the rest of Kerry's testimony was any less damning to the U.S. soldier without it.
So your "baby killer" post is just like your "Vietnam Draft" post... BS? I figured as much. Don't FACTS matter to you? You seem to consider your 'opinion' to be the same as a FACT!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So your "baby killer" post is just like your "Vietnam Draft" post... BS? I figured as much. Don't FACTS matter to you? You seem to consider your 'opinion' to be the same as a FACT!
I didn't say "baby killer", I was using joebxr's words. He said it, I never said it, only in response to Joebxr. Ask Joebxr why he used those words. Obviously you've determined John Kerry didn't say it. Then why did joebxr? A complex?
You seem like a normal individual that can separate the differences and place fair value upon a person versus what others on this forum do. According to Cic and a few others, because I "proudly" wore a uniform, by my own choice, and was in Vietnam, I am automatically a baby killer and associated with massacres and perform as a government puppet....a characterization that is so far from the truth, but yet prevasive with a few here.
I didn't say "baby killer", I was using joebxr's words. He said it, I never said it, only in response to Joebxr. Ask Joebxr why he used those words. Obviously you've determined John Kerry didn't say it. Then why did joebxr? A complex?
It was during John Kerry's testimony to congress that characterized soldiers as "baby killers".
That's not my characterization. Should I not believe him? He was the Democrat presidential candidate and current nominee for secretary of state.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Yea... as I figured... The FACTS that you post are full of $hit.
Opinion, FACTS, opinion... it's all the same to Cicero. If he runs out of FACTS (Vietnam Draft, Baby killers) he just makes em up!
How embarrassing to be Cic!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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