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Illinois Concealed Carry Ban Ruled Unconstitutional By Federal Appellate Court
Posted: 12/11/2012 12:58 pm EST  |  Updated: 12/11/2012 6:57 pm EST


Gun-rights advocates claimed a major victory on Tuesday when a federal appeals court in Illinois struck down the state's ban on carrying concealed firearms, in a ruling that may have national repercussions if appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Before the 2-1 ruling, Illinois stood as the last state in the country maintaining an absolute prohibition on the carrying of concealed firearms by private citizens. The majority opinion, by Richard A. Posner of the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, found the ban on concealed weapons was unconstitutional under a 2008 Supreme Court decision overturning a sweeping handgun ban by the District of Columbia.

The Supreme Court's decision in 2008 firmly established a constitutional right to armed self-defense under the Second Amendment, Posner wrote.

"A right to bear arms thus implies a right to carry a loaded gun outside the home," he wrote.

The law banning concealed weapons was challenged in 2009 by gun rights groups suing on behalf of an Illinois woman violently attacked while volunteering at her church. The suit was funded by the National Rifle Association.

"Today's ruling is a victory for all law-abiding citizens in Illinois and gun owners throughout the country," said Wayne LaPierre, the NRA executive vice president........................................>>>>.............................>>>>........................http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/11/illinois-concealed-carry-_n_2278114.html

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"Today's ruling is a victory for all law-abiding citizens in Illinois and gun owners throughout the
country," said Wayne LaPierre, the NRA executive vice president

Exactly WHO does Wayne LaPierre represent?
Sportsmen?  Target shooters? Hunters?  Criminals?
None of the above.

The NRA isn't a lobby for sportsmen, hunters or target shooters at all, although their agendas often
coincide.  The NRA represents Arms Manufacturers and Chemical Companies, not the American
public.

Quoted from Box A Rox

The NRA isn't a lobby for sportsmen, hunters or target shooters at all, although their agendas often
coincide.  The NRA represents Arms Manufacturers and Chemical Companies, not the American
public.

Yup, and Obamacare was supported by Insurance Companies and opposed based on public opinion.  Aint that funny how that works?  Not fascist though.  That's good ole democracy in action.

Quoted from CICERO

Yup, and Obamacare was supported by Insurance Companies and opposed based on public opinion.  Aint that funny how that works?  Not fascist though.  That's good ole democracy in action.

Cicero can sees "FASCISTS" everywhere.  He can't buy a coffee or tie his shoe with out his "FASCIST" button
going off.  
I did notice that Cicero didn't disagree with the main theme of my post... That the NRA works for Arms makers
and Chemical companies... not the American public.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Cicero can sees "FASCISTS" everywhere.  He can't buy a coffee or tie his shoe with out his "FASCIST" button
going off.  
I did notice that Cicero didn't disagree with the main theme of my post... That the NRA works for Arms makers
and Chemical companies... not the American public.

Yeah, lobbyists work for the highest bidder of a small minority.  Who's disputing that?  Labor unions that lobbied for the bailout of the auto industry weren't representing the American public either.  They were representing first and foremost the labor bosses, then the labor union workers, which makes up a fraction of 1% of the total American population.

I’m sorry you are able to see the corporate/government relationship but cannot understand the construct of economic fascism. People run around admitting the corporate lobbyist run Washington DC, but nobody is ready to use the proper word which describes such a government.  

As much as Cicero would like this thread to be on his "Fetish with Fascists"... the issue is guns and the 2nd
amendment.  

As I posted above:
"I did notice that Cicero didn't disagree with the main theme of my post... That the NRA works
for Arms makers and Chemical companies... not the American public."

Quoted from Box A Rox

As much as Cicero would like this thread to be on his "Fetish with Fascists"... the issue is guns and the 2nd amendment.  
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You're the one that brought up the lobbyist representing the gun manufacturers and not the American people.  As if it was some NEW phenomenon in America.

Quoted from CICERO

You're the one that brought up the lobbyist representing the gun manufacturers and not the American people.  As if it was some NEW phenomenon in America.

YUP.  I brought up the NRA who promote Concealed firearms, as is the thread subject.
YOU brought up your "Fetish with Fascists", which had nothing to do with the thread
subject. (Just another Cicero rant! )  

don't matter who or what group supports it and who doesn't.......................it is still constitutional!!

Quoted from bumblethru

don't matter who or what group supports it and who doesn't.......................it is still constitutional!!

Your opinion is that it's constitutional, others disagree.  The true test will be when it's brought before the
US Supreme Court.

Personally I'm for strong gun laws (especially pistols) and I support the 2nd amendment.  

Quoted from Box A Rox

Your opinion is that it's constitutional, others disagree.  The true test will be when it's brought before the
US Supreme Court.

Personally I'm for strong gun laws (especially pistols) and I support the 2nd amendment.  

You must be for things that don't work very well, as the areas that have the most restrictive gun control laws have the most gun related crime.

Quoted from 55tbird

You must be for things that don't work very well, as the areas that have the most restrictive gun control laws have the most gun related crime.

Really Tbird?
Do you have any FACTS on that assumption, or is it just your opinion.  


The measure of gun deaths per capita in each state, using the most recent data available from
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
(NY State is is 45th out of 50 on the list)
FACTS:


#1, Mississippi
Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3
Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50

#2, Arizona
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 1st out of 50

#3, Alaska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 11th out of 50

#4, Arkansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15.1
Permissive gun laws: 7th out of 50

#5, Louisiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 19.9
Permissive gun laws: 23rd out of 50

#6, New Mexico
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 6th out of 50

#7, Alabama
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 27th out of 50

#8, Nevada
Gun deaths per 100,000: 16.2
Permissive gun laws: 22nd out of 50

#9, Montana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 10th out of 50

#10, Wyoming
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 8th out of 50

#11, Kentucky
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.4
Permissive gun laws: 5th out of 50

#12, West Virginia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.8
Permissive gun laws: 25th out of 50

#13, Tennessee
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 31st out of 50

#14, Oklahoma
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4
Permissive gun laws: 17th out of 50

#15, Idaho
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 2nd out of 50

#16, Georgia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.1
Permissive gun laws: 13th out of 50

#17, Missouri
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.9
Permissive gun laws: 12th out of 50

#18, South Carolina
Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4
Permissive gun laws: 20th out of 50

#19, North Carolina
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.3
Permissive gun laws: 28th out of 50

#20, Florida
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5
Permissive gun laws: 41st out of 50

#21, Kansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.5
Permissive gun laws: 14th out of 50

#22, Indiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.6
Permissive gun laws: 21st out of 50

#23, Texas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 32nd out of 50

#24, Michigan
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.9
Permissive gun laws: 39th out of 50

#25, Maryland
Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.1
Permissive gun laws: 44th out of 50

#26, Colorado
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.4
Permissive gun laws: 24rd out of 50

#27, Pennsylvania
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 40th out of 50

#28, Virginia
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7
Permissive gun laws: 35th out of 50

#29, Utah
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.5
Permissive gun laws: 18th out of 50

#30, Vermont
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.4
Permissive gun laws: 3rd out of 50

#31, Oregon
Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.4
Permissive gun laws: 30th out of 50

#32, North Dakota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.9
Permissive gun laws: 15th out of 50

#33, Ohio
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.6
Permissive gun laws: 29th out of 50

#34, Maine
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.1
Permissive gun laws: 9th out of 50

#35, Delaware
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.2
Permissive gun laws: 33rd out of 50

#36, Wisconsin
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.7
Permissive gun laws: 34th out of 50

#37, Nebraska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 19th out of 50

#38, South Dakota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.5
Permissive gun laws: 16th out of 50

#39, Washington
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.5
Permissive gun laws: 37th out of 50

#40, California
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9
Permissive gun laws: 50th out of 50

#41, New Hampshire
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.9
Permissive gun laws: 26th out of 50

#42, Minnesota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.6
Permissive gun laws: 36th out of 50

#43, Illinois
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 45th out of 50

#44, Iowa
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.3
Permissive gun laws: 38th out of 50

#45, New York
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.1
Permissive gun laws: 43rd out of 50

#46, New Jersey
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.2
Permissive gun laws: 49th out of 50

#47, Connecticut
Gun deaths per 100,000: 4.3
Permissive gun laws: 46th out of 50

#48, Rhode Island
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.5
Permissive gun laws: 42nd out of 50

#49, Massachusetts
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.6
Permissive gun laws: 48th out of 50

#50, Hawaii
Gun deaths per 100,000: 2.8
Permissive gun laws: 47th out of 50

Where does Chicago fall on your list that has the strictest gun laws in the country along with the most violence.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Really Tbird?
Do you have any FACTS on that assumption, or is it just your opinion.  

Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension Box? I said CRIMES not DEATHS

But as far as proof, take a look at this...
Seems to me the good old northeast, where the laws are strict, do pretty poorly.

http://www.datamasher.org/mash-ups/crime-vs-gun-ownership

Quoted from Shadow

Where does Chicago fall on your list that has the strictest gun laws in the country along with the most violence.

#43, Illinois
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 45th out of 50