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American drone deaths highlight controversy
By Andrew Rafferty, Staff Writer, NBC News

Of the scores of people dubbed terrorists and taken out by American military drone strikes, three men -- all killed in the fall of 2011 -- were U.S. citizens.
And their lives illustrate the complexity of the issue, recently brought to light amid a newly discovered government memo that provides the legal reasoning behind drone strikes on Americans.
Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan were killed by a missile strike in Yemen on Sept. 30, 2011, while al-Awlaki’s son, Abdulrahman, was killed in the country just weeks later.
Since the attacks, family members have called the deaths unjust and sued the U.S. government, calling the killings unconstitutional.......................>>>>...................>>>>.................http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/05/16856963-american-drone-deaths-highlight-controversy?lite

so it's NOT ok if individuals teach their children/offspring to die for what is right,,,with or without their agreement,,,,but
it's OK for the elite/government to send the lower 'cast' off to war for the up-holding of the house of Bartiartis ?????

pretty freaking interesting,.....is it not "Box".......or is it considered 'righteous'..?


explain the value... please....the value of the taxes paid/the schooling paid/the blood paid etc etc......

your masters are the 'experts'.....explain  or at least (yup, I said at the LEAST) explain THEIR value....

SPARTACUS IS COMING!!!!!!

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American Citizens Split On DOJ Memo Authorizing Government To Kill Them
News in Brief • Politics • ISSUE 49•06 • Feb 7, 2013

WASHINGTON—Following the release of a secret Department of Justice memo this week that outlines the administration’s legal justification for killing U.S. citizens, a new Pew Research Center poll has revealed that a majority of Americans are torn over whether they support the government’s right to kill them anywhere at any time without due process. “On the one hand, I get it—it’s important for the government to be able to murder me and any of my friends or family members whenever they please for reputed national security reasons. But on the other hand, it would kind of be nice to stay alive and have, maybe, a trial, actual evidence—stuff like that,” said visibly conflicted 39-year-old Nashua, NH resident Rebecca Sawyer, who, like millions of other Americans, is split over whether secret federal agents should be allowed to target and assassinate her anywhere on U.S. soil. “I wouldn’t mind if federal officials blew up other citizens and claimed it was in the name of my safety. But it’s just that when it comes to me, I guess I’d rather not be slaughtered by my own elected officials on charges that never have to be validated by any accountable authority. This is tough.” While most Americans expressed conflicted feelings regarding the memo, the poll also found that 28 percent of citizens were unequivocally in favor of being obliterated at any point, for any reason, in a massive airstrike

The source of this info comes from.....
the ONION...America's Finest News Source

other Finest News Source articles are viewable here....I can't post the link becuase of LANGUAGE filters that would bleep it out
http://www.theonion.com/?ref=auto

Title of one is
"Postal Service: 'And Wait Until You COXXSUXXRS See What We Do With Wednesdays'"
and another
"Sweating Obama Admits Drone Strikes Have Been Happening On Their Own"...this one is a true masterpiece of reporting.

So Cissy got my interst on the DOJ Memo, so that's why I went to the source..."the ONION"
Then I went to PEW RESEARCH and couldn't find anything.
Then I googled the info and it all lead back to the Onion....
I couldn't find the trail to a DOJ document or any reputable source that provides the same claim.

With that, I will only ask that if someone finds a reputable source to this informtion that gives us a chance to
read this DOJ document, I am honestly interested in reading it.


WAIT..I MAY BE WRONG...FOUND ANOTHER REFERENCE.  I'LL TRY TO GET IT LATER AFTER WORK AND IF VIABLE WIL POST LNK TO SOURCE.

Quoted from joebxr

The source of this info comes from.....
the ONION...America's Finest News Source

other Finest News Source articles are viewable here....I can't post the link becuase of LANGUAGE filters that would bleep it out
http://www.theonion.com/?ref=auto

Title of one is
"Postal Service: 'And Wait Until You COXXSUXXRS See What We Do With Wednesdays'"
and another
"Sweating Obama Admits Drone Strikes Have Been Happening On Their Own"...this one is a true masterpiece of reporting.

So Cissy got my interst on the DOJ Memo, so that's why I went to the source..."the ONION"
Then I went to PEW RESEARCH and couldn't find anything.
Then I googled the info and it all lead back to the Onion....
I couldn't find the trail to a DOJ document or any reputable source that provides the same claim.

With that, I will only ask that if someone finds a reputable source to this informtion that gives us a chance to
read this DOJ document, I am honestly interested in reading it.


WAIT..I MAY BE WRONG...FOUND ANOTHER REFERENCE.  I'LL TRY TO GET IT LATER AFTER WORK AND IF VIABLE WIL POST LNK TO SOURCE.

Yes, it was a gag article.  Good job.  I wouldn't expect a person without a sense of humor to understand the satirical intention of it.

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Yes, it was a gag article.  Good job.  I wouldn't expect a person without a sense of humor to understand the satirical intention of it.

Coming from a narrow minded pea brain such as yourself, I take it as a compliment!
Afterall, it was your source!
You like ONIONS !!!!

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Date killed: Jan. 8, 2013.

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Date killed: Jan. 3, 2013.


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Thank You President Barack Hussein Obama!

You forgot the successful killing of the 5th Amendment and Due Process and executing foreign nationals in sovereign countries we are not at war with.(well we are at war with EVERYBODY)

The federal government serves it up, and box swallows it, no questions asked.

I thought we were in Afghanistan to prevent "terrorist" training camps?  When did it become kill former Afghan government leaders?

BTW...We're droning "Taliban"(a non-existent government since 2002) STILL in 2012?  We don't want those goat farmers swimming over here and killing Americans.  What a joke.

Box has been out of the military for decades, and still can't shake that nationalist blood lust.  Some habits are hard to break.LOL

Drone Takes Out US Civilian!

(Rand Paul was right.)

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Officials: US drone strike kills 13 in Yemen wedding convoy

By Ahmed Al-Haj, The Associated Press

Missiles fired by a U.S. drone slammed into a convoy of vehicles traveling to a wedding party in central Yemen on Thursday, killing at least 13 people, Yemeni security officials said.
The officials said the attack took place in the city of Radda, the capital of Bayda province, and left charred bodies and burnt out cars on the road. The city, a stronghold of al Qaeda militants, witnessed deadly clashes early last year between armed tribesmen backed by the military and al Qaeda gunmen in an attempt to drive them out of the city.
There were no immediate details on who was killed in the strike, and there were conflicting reports about whether there were militants traveling with the wedding convoy.
A military official said initial information indicated the drone mistook the wedding party for an al Qaeda convoy. He said tribesmen known to the villagers were among the dead.
One of the three security officials, however, said al Qaeda militants were suspected to have been traveling with the wedding convoy.
While the U.S. acknowledges its drone program in Yemen, it does not usually talk about individual strikes.
If further investigations determine that the victims were all civilians, the attack could fuel an outburst of anger against the United States and the government in Sanaa among a Yemeni public already opposed to the U.S. drone strikes.
Civilian deaths have bred resentments on a local level, sometimes undermining U.S. efforts to turn the public against the militants. The backlash in Yemen is still not as large as in Pakistan, where there is heavy pressure on the government to force limits on strikes — but public calls for a halt to strikes are starting to emerge.
In October, two U.N. human rights investigators called for more transparency from the United States and other countries about their drone programs, saying their secrecy is the biggest obstacle to determining the civilian toll of such strikes.
The missile attacks in Yemen are part of a joint U.S.-Yemeni campaign against al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which Washington has called the most dangerous branch of the global terrorist network.
Thursday's drone strike is the second since a massive car bombing and coordinated assault on Yemen's military headquarters killed 56 people, including foreigners. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was retaliation for U.S. drone strikes that have killed dozens of the group's leaders.
Security forces in the Yemeni capital boosted their presence Thursday, setting up checkpoints across the city and sealing off the road to the president's residence, in response to what the Interior Ministry called threats of "terrorist plots" targeting vital institutions and government buildings.
Meanwhile, in the Yemen's restive northern, ultraconservative Sunni Muslim militants and rebels belonging to a branch of Shiite Islam battled each other with artillery and machine guns in clashes that killed more than 40 people, security officials said.
The violence between Islamic Salafi fighters and Hawthi rebels has raged for weeks in Yemen's northern province of Saada, but the latest sectarian clashes marked an expansion of the fighting to the neighboring province of Hagga. The government brokered a cease-fire last month to try to end the violence, but both sides have repeatedly broken the truce.
Officials said clashes began when ultraconservative Salafis took over a Hawthi stronghold in a mountainous area near the border with Saudi Arabia. The officials say that most of the casualties were on the Hawthi side.
The officials said that Salafis, however, accused Hawthis of trying to infiltrate their strongholds in the town of Fagga.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the fighting publicly.
Hawthi launched in insurgency in 2004 against autocratic President Ali Abdullah Saleh, who stepped down in 2012 after a popular uprising against his rule. Over the course of the Hawthi rebellion, hundreds of people were killed and an estimated 125,000 people uprooted until the rebels and the government struck a fragile cease-fire in 2010.
But the north remained restive despite the truce, and fighting flared along another fault line in November after Hawthis accused the Salafis of trying to gain a foothold in their territory by spreading their brand of Islam.
The rebels say their community of Shiite Muslims suffers discrimination and neglect and that the government has allowed ultraconservative Sunni extremists too strong a voice in the country. Hard-line Sunnis consider Shiites heretics.