it's the unions (especially the trade unions) who promote a QUALIFIED educated and certified workforce....THOSE FOLKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN SO WELL TRAINED THAT THEY COULD UP AND START THEIR OWN TWINKIE BUSINESS and if not then be so well educated that they would move onward and upward.....
standing still and paying someone else to fight your fight....is that progressive?
Unions make certain a new guy gets the same pay as someone who worked hard for 20 years.
They are in place to defend the bad employees.
Unions should exist to prevent abusive employers, however, each person should "earn" his own wage based on his own personal performance, not the threat of a strike by the brotherhood.
Are Humans Getting Intellectually and Emotionally Stupid? Smithsonian.com Email Print Share Comment Follow @timenewsfeed Just look at all the amazing innovations modern technology has given us: at-home HIV tests, motion-activated screwdrivers and self-inflating tires. It’s easy to look down on our prehistoric ancestors for their primitive, electric screwdriver-less way of life. But one scientist says we shouldn’t be so quick to judge.
In a two-part paper published in the journal Trends in Genetics, Stanford University researcher Gerald Crabtree suggests that evolution is, in fact, making us dumber — and that human intelligence may have actually peaked before our hunter-gatherer predecessors left Africa.
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The reason? Life on the veldt was tough, and prehistoric humans’ genes were constantly subjected to selective pressure in an environment where the species’ survival depended on it. For humans, that meant getting smarter. ”The development of our intellectual abilities and the optimization of thousands of intelligence genes probably occurred in relatively non-verbal, dispersed groups of peoples before our ancestors emerged from Africa,” Crabtree said in a news release.
The urbanization that followed the development of agriculture simplified survival by removing some of its challenges, which likely weakened natural selection’s ability to eliminate mutations associated with deficiencies in intelligence. Crabtree estimates that over the last 3,000 years (about 120 generations), humans have sustained at least two mutations that have eroded our intellectual and emotional intelligence.
“A hunter-gatherer who did not correctly conceive a solution to providing food or shelter probably died, along with his or her progeny, whereas a modern Wall Street executive that made a similar conceptual mistake would receive a substantial bonus and be a more attractive mate,” Crabtree wrote in the paper. He also noted that the average Athenian from 1000 B.C. would rank among the smartest and most emotionally stable in today’s society.
Not everybody agrees with Crabtree’s reasoning, however. Steve Jones, a geneticist at University College London, believes there is insufficient data to support his theory. ”Never mind the hypothesis, give me the data, and there aren’t any,” Jones told The Independent. “I could just as well argue that mutations have reduced our aggression, our depression and our penis length, but no journal would publish that. Why do they publish this?”
Crabtree does argue that no matter how deteriorated our intellectual abilities may have become over the millennia, advancements in technology will someday render these changes insignificant.
“I think we will know each of the millions of human mutations that can compromise our intellectual function and how each of these mutations interact with each other and other processes as well as environmental influences,” Crabtree said in the release. “At that time, we may be able to magically correct any mutation that has occurred in all cells of any organism at any developmental stage. Thus, the brutish process of natural selection will be unnecessary.”
Box, not ging to get into a debate of who was to balme, becuase I think there was multiple blame to go around. however, what I have not seen or heard of is how much the Union would drop dues if the workers took concessions? Did the Union offer to reduce their dues to help? I don't know the answer.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Texas-based Hostess Brands Inc. asked a judge on Wednesday to approve an additional $1.9 million in executive bonuses, saying the money is needed to keep top managers on as the company sells off all its assets.
(Yea, tell me again... it's the Union's Fault! )
Also Wednesday a pension fund board for one of Hostess’ unions joined another union’s request that a trustee be appointed to oversee the company’s dis-assembly.
The board of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store International Union and Industry Pension Fund added its ‘me too’ to a motion filed Tuesday by the bakers’ union asking that a trustee be appointed.
It’s at least the third request for a trustee.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Texas-based Hostess Brands Inc. asked a judge on Wednesday to approve an additional $1.9 million in executive bonuses, saying the money is needed to keep top managers on as the company sells off all its assets.
(Yea, tell me again... it's the Union's Fault! )
They can fire the management and keep one of the Twinkie fillers on board to sell off the assets.
Texas-based Hostess Brands Inc. asked a judge on Wednesday to approve an additional $1.9 million in executive bonuses, saying the money is needed to keep top managers on as the company sells off all its assets.
(Yea, tell me again... it's the Union's Fault! )
Also Wednesday a pension fund board for one of Hostess’ unions joined another union’s request that a trustee be appointed to oversee the company’s dis-assembly.
The board of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store International Union and Industry Pension Fund added its ‘me too’ to a motion filed Tuesday by the bakers’ union asking that a trustee be appointed.
It’s at least the third request for a trustee.
It averages out to about 95K per exec...not unheard of for companies in liquidation and much less than some recent actions.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
It averages out to about 95K per exec...not unheard of for companies in liquidation and much less than some recent actions.
These barracuda's HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAID TO DO THE JOB! THEY ARE ASKING FOR A BONUS!
It's the Union's fault!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Teamsters settled, Bakers Union didn't...Everyone is at fault...including the change in Global Markets and the US diet.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Teamsters settled, Bakers Union didn't...Everyone is at fault...including the change in Global Markets and the US diet.
Global markets??? US Diet??? Those are management problems. A good corporation with capable management will anticipate the market and product to meet customer demand. Unions have absolutely no impact on those issues... But both issues ARE a function of management, who failed, and now expect to suck the company dry with another bonus.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Global markets??? US Diet??? Those are management problems. A good corporation with capable management will anticipate the market and product to meet customer demand. Unions have absolutely no impact on those issues... But both issues ARE a function of management, who failed, and now expect to suck the company dry with another bonus.
No, those are a companies problems, for ALL employees... And a Union DOES and can have an impact...example??? The auto unions...they made concessions in order to help the auto makers and they helped themselves as they still have their jobs.
If were SO easy for a company to turn on its heels and "meet consumer demand", the Horse and buggy companies would have led the charge into the Automotive revolution.
Krispy Creme is in a similar situation as Hostess, they have offerings in market where demand is shrinking, not growing. The only reason Krispy Creme is still in business is they were able to retreat to their home market in the south after a disastrous attempt at expansion in the north.
Some companies can make changes, but they are few and far between. Dunkin donuts would be a similar situation if they didn't diversify, but in reality, their new products are probably as bad for you as their donuts.
The Hostess business model relied solely on Super markets, schools, and vending machines. With the push for a healthier diet in the US, ESPECIALLY in schools, Hostess doesn't really have a chance.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
No, those are a companies problems, for ALL employees... And a Union DOES and can have an impact...example??? The auto unions...they made concessions in order to help the auto makers and they helped themselves as they still have their jobs.
If were SO easy for a company to turn on its heels and "meet consumer demand", the Horse and buggy companies would have led the charge into the Automotive revolution.
Krispy Creme is in a similar situation as Hostess, they have offerings in market where demand is shrinking, not growing. The only reason Krispy Creme is still in business is they were able to retreat to their home market in the south after a disastrous attempt at expansion in the north.
Some companies can make changes, but they are few and far between. Dunkin donuts would be a similar situation if they didn't diversify, but in reality, their new products are probably as bad for you as their donuts.
The Hostess business model relied solely on Super markets, schools, and vending machines. With the push for a healthier diet in the US, ESPECIALLY in schools, Hostess doesn't really have a chance.
We seem to understand the function of union and management differently. ~ The Union employees were hired to bake the products. They have no say so about WHAT products to bake, the eventual price asked for those products or the marketing of the products. ~ Management's job it to market the product, and manage the company.
You posted: "those are a companies problems, for ALL employees"... all employees do have a stake in the success of the company, but the bakers have about as much impact on marketing and product research, as the accountants have on baking the product.
The problem you mentioned of Global markets??? US Diet are the responsibility of MANAGEMENT, not the UNIONS!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
We seem to understand the function of union and management differently. ~ The Union employees were hired to bake the products. They have no say so about WHAT products to bake, the eventual price asked for those products or the marketing of the products. ~ Management's job it to market the product, and manage the company.
You posted: "those are a companies problems, for ALL employees"... all employees do have a stake in the success of the company, but the bakers have about as much impact on marketing and product research, as the accountants have on baking the product.
The problem you mentioned of Global markets??? US Diet are the responsibility of MANAGEMENT, not the UNIONS!
Segregation of things like you described above is EXACTLY why Hostess failed. Labor DOES have an effect on market prices management has to charge to be profitable. The IUE learned that the hard way with GE in the 80's... they thought it was still 1952 and acted as such in labor negotiations... The Company decided to send the work elsewhere...They learned their lesson and today Main plant is maintaining and/or growing.
Changing market dynamics is NOT the fault of management when that Dynamic is an unavoidable reduction in customer base. The US postal service is a glaring example of that...In order to stay afloat with reduced sales, you have to reduce costs or bring new products to the table. But when you are a household name like Hostess, changing the perception of your company with new products is just about impossible. Mcdonalds can't do it, Microsoft can't do it either...Management tried to reduce labor costs, which is almost always the biggest cost of operation, the Union refused and stuck which compounded the issue.
Everything has a beginning and end, and that certainly applies to businesses. If the Union had conceded, Hostess would have probably survived a while longer, but the outcome still would not have been in doubt.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Segregation of things like you described above is EXACTLY why Hostess failed. Labor DOES have an effect on market prices management has to charge to be profitable. The IUE learned that the hard way with GE in the 80's... they thought it was still 1952 and acted as such in labor negotiations... The Company decided to send the work elsewhere...They learned their lesson and today Main plant is maintaining and/or growing.
Changing market dynamics is NOT the fault of management when that Dynamic is an unavoidable reduction in customer base. The US postal service is a glaring example of that...In order to stay afloat with reduced sales, you have to reduce costs or bring new products to the table. But when you are a household name like Hostess, changing the perception of your company with new products is just about impossible. Mcdonalds can't do it, Microsoft can't do it either...Management tried to reduce labor costs, which is almost always the biggest cost of operation, the Union refused and stuck which compounded the issue.
Everything has a beginning and end, and that certainly applies to businesses. If the Union had conceded, Hostess would have probably survived a while longer, but the outcome still would not have been in doubt.
Hostess, like all successful corporations, needed to research and produce the products of tomorrow while keeping today's brand profitable. Hostess could have produced the NEXT big thing in their successful product line. As you pointed out, Dunkin used to sell coffee and donuts... their products have changed with the times to remain successful.
~ Some how you seem to think that some baker showing up at 7am to begin baking Twinkies had some influence on product line. He was responsible for baking a quality product. He had no input, no budget, no training, and no capacity to do market research. ~ Hostess sales and marketing WAS RESPONSIBLE for what products to bake. Management has the budget training capacity, ability and RESPONSIBILITY to market products that will sell... THEY FAILED IN THAT RESPONSIBILITY... as a result the entire company failed.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Hostess, like all successful corporations, needed to research and produce the products of tomorrow while keeping today's brand profitable. Hostess could have produced the NEXT big thing in their successful product line. As you pointed out, Dunkin used to sell coffee and donuts... their products have changed with the times to remain successful.
~ Some how you seem to think that some baker showing up at 7am to begin baking Twinkies had some influence on product line. He was responsible for baking a quality product. He had no input, no budget, no training, and no capacity to do market research. ~ Hostess sales and marketing WAS RESPONSIBLE for what products to bake. Management has the budget training capacity, ability and RESPONSIBILITY to market products that will sell... THEY FAILED IN THAT RESPONSIBILITY... as a result the entire company failed.
Who said the bakers had influence?? I have consistently said THE UNION PLAYED A ROLE. To define it further, the leadership. They ordered the strike, they recommended the contract be voted down. Near the end, even some union members realized this was suicidal and crossed the lines. You talk about management being unhurt in this, what about Union Leadership??? They played a game of chess that they lost, but guess what? many of them still have jobs and will survive....but of course, lets not mention that, since it doesn't fit with your Agenda. The workers were the pawns in this, used by the management of the company AND the Unions..but as usual, you're one eye blind.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
What was this last/best/final offer? You’d never know by watching the main stream media tell the story. So here you go…
~8% hourly pay cut in year 1 ~ with additional cuts totaling 27% over 5 years ~ Currently, I make $16.12 an hour at TOP rate of pay in the bakery ~ I would drop to $11.26 in 5 years ~They get to keep our $3+ an hour pension fund forever ~Doubling of weekly insurance premium ~Lowering of overall quality of insurance plan. ~TOTAL withdrawal from ALL pensions.
Remember how I said I made $48,000 in 2005 and $34,000 last year? I would make $25,000 in 5 years if I took their offer.
What did the Union Bakers lose??? They fought for good jobs, and walked away from a crummy ones. "It will be hard to replace the job I had, but it will be easy to replace the job they were trying to give me."
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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