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Raising taxes - on ANYBODY - during an economic slowdown is the worst possible path to take.  I agree with Republicans in the House and Senate like Representative Chris Gibson who believe that we need a comprehensive reform of our tax system.

BTW - I heard Representative Gibson being interviewed last week on the radio and he was absolutely on the money about the future direction that Congress and our nation should take.  I hope that LEADERS like Mr. Gibson get an opportunity to lead the GOP and Congress in the years ahead -- rather than the FOLLOWERS/Pelosi-Palooza types.


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Raising taxes - on ANYBODY - during an economic slowdown is the worst possible path to take.  I agree with Republicans in the House and Senate like Representative Chris Gibson who believe that we need a comprehensive reform of our tax system.

BTW - I heard Representative Gibson being interviewed last week on the radio and he was absolutely on the money about the future direction that Congress and our nation should take.  I hope that LEADERS like Mr. Gibson get an opportunity to lead the GOP and Congress in the years ahead -- rather than the FOLLOWERS/Pelosi-Palooza types.


If Obama pounded one message in this campaign, it was 'Tax The Rich'... and the majority of Americans
agree.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Raising taxes - on ANYBODY - during an economic slowdown is the worst possible path to take.  I agree with Republicans in the House and Senate like Representative Chris Gibson who believe that we need a comprehensive reform of our tax system.

BTW - I heard Representative Gibson being interviewed last week on the radio and he was absolutely on the money about the future direction that Congress and our nation should take.  I hope that LEADERS like Mr. Gibson get an opportunity to lead the GOP and Congress in the years ahead -- rather than the FOLLOWERS/Pelosi-Palooza types.


Raise taxes; lower taxes; elimnate taxes' it don't matter CUZ YOU DON'T PAY TAXES Mr. EXPERT!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Google, Amazon and Starbucks face questions on tax
Published - Nov 12 2012 02:18PM EST

DAVID STRINGER, Associated Press

LONDON (AP) — British lawmakers on Monday accused major multinational companies of aggressive tax avoidance, amid calls by the U.K. government for a global crackdown on firms which seek to evade tax.

In sometimes bitter exchanges at a parliamentary committee hearing, legislators questioned Starbucks, Google and Amazon about the amount they pay to the U.K. government in taxation.

Lawmakers scoffed as Troy Alstead, Starbucks global chief financial officer, claimed that the fact the coffee giant had reported losses for all but one of the 15 years it has operated in the U.K. was down to poor performance — and not an attempt minimize its taxes in Britain.

"You have run the business for 15 years and are losing money and you are carrying on investing here. It just doesn't ring true," said Margaret Hodge, head of parliament's Public Accounts Committee.

Alstead acknowledged to the panel that its taxable profits in the U.K. are calculated after royalties paid to its European headquarters in the Netherlands have been deducted. He said that Starbucks had a special tax arrangement with the Dutch government covering its headquarters, but declined to give details.

"Respectfully I can assure you there is no tax avoidance here," Alstead told the panel.

Companies operating in Europe can base themselves in any of the 27 EU nations, allowing them to take advantage of a particular country's low tax rates.

Alstead insisted that Starbucks was not seeking to mislead investors or tax authorities about its performance in Britain.

"We are not at all pleased about our financial performance here. It is fundamentally true everything we are saying and everything we have said historically," he told the committee.

Last week, Britain and Germany called for the world's largest economies to do more to collaborate to fight tax evasion, particularly in online commerce.

Hodge told witness Andrew Cecil, public policy director at Amazon, that many people in Britain are angered over the low tax rates paid by the retailer.

"Your entire activity is here yet you pay no tax here and that really riles us," she said.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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"For years, the GOP has branded itself as the party that supports low taxes (especially for the wealthy).
According to the exit polls from last week's presidential election, a combined 60% said that tax rates should
increase either for everyone or for those making more than $250,000.

Just 35% said the tax rates shouldn't increase for anyone."


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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As for your friend in England, check out their tax strutures and benfits, and then look at their 7 version of retirement options/structure.  Might make you thin our system is not so bad afterall.


He was talking more about personal debt and public debt and the inevitable default that will devalue everybody's money.  There is no place to hide it when the currency is controlled and can be printed at will.  Everybody suffers, even those that played it conservative.  

He attributed a lot of the economic problems to Thatcher and Reagan in the 80's and easy credit, and the "American Dream", where people were told it's everybody's right to own house.  He said before the 80's, property values in England were relatively low because they were bought with hard cash and not credit.  He said people acquired wealth over generations and would pass property and wealth from generation to generation.  Then, in the 80's, this thing called credit was made available to EVERYBODY.  That in turn artificially drove up demand and the price of land and made it unaffordable without bank credit.  

The housing crisis was a dragnet that the banks set up by over the course of 20 years.  It took everybody down, and they were bailed out.

BTW...Britian is taking big austerity measures.  


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Raise taxes; lower taxes; elimnate taxes' it don't matter CUZ YOU DON'T PAY TAXES Mr. EXPERT!


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Well, since we can pick and choose who pays and who doesn't, I figured I'd throw my suggestion out there.  If we are going to pick and choose who to punish with the tax code, I say let's not punish the 20 something year olds for the mismanagement by politicians they couldn't even vote for. They are being punished with a lower standard of living because of the sins of their parents.


yup....america's posterity

not to mention 'minority report-type laws'

dirty bastards


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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If Obama pounded one message in this campaign, it was 'Tax The Rich'... and the majority of Americans
agree.


because no one actually knows what rich or wealth is....the politicians took the green glob of envy and ran with it...

most folks don't understand that the 1%'ers have power,,,,REGARDLESS OF THE $$$

ANY POLITICIAN THAT RAN WITH THE 'fair share' crappola of 1/2 truth all know that their own 1%'er status quo wont
change....why? because the 'dogs under the table will accept any crumbs that fall from the table'.....

go ahead explain

fair share as opposed to what
rich as opposed to what

because that line will change on some other jerks podium......

FLAT TAX MAKES IT FAIR....it removes the green glob of envy



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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If Obama pounded one message in this campaign, it was 'Tax The Rich'... and the majority of Americans
agree.


And Obama is wrong -- and so were those who voted for him.   Obama and certain Tax and Spend extremist liberals may have won the election -- but the fight still goes on and this extremism must be fought EVERY inch of the way.


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And Obama is wrong -- and so were those who voted for him.   Obama and certain Tax and Spend extremist liberals may have won the election -- but the fight still goes on and this extremism must be fought EVERY inch of the way.


LOL @ Tax N Spend!



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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FLAT TAX MAKES IT FAIR....it removes the green glob of envy




If you mean a flat tax on every transaction I can agree with that.

If you mean a flat tax on wages and profit, I would never support that.

That would just continue the system we have now.


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Box of Rox is the typical a**-for-brains liberal who keeps trying to make everything partisan or dragging up the past.

The simple fact is that intelligent Democrats and Republicans and other agree that America needs Comprehensive Tax Reform  -- that is the issue .. that has been the issue for decades now.  

Oh -- and not all Democrats believe that a person or couple making $250,000 a year is RICH.  Senator Schumer disagrees with President Obama on raising taxes on people making over $250,000 or more --- Schumer thinks the cut off should be $1,000,000 or more.



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Raise it on the $250000 plus crowd. The rich are getting richer than ever the rest of us not so much.
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Why not just raise the tax on all the liberals and lower taxes for everyone else -- the liberals seem to want to pay more money to the government,


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