clinton allowed the raising of personal debt in promoting the mcmansion home buying spree.....taking from those who have a little
more and spreading out to those who have a little less is a good thing except when those with a little less to manage get up to
their eye balls with a little too much more to manage....

failure starts with poor personal choices which leads to the blame game, which leads to podium pucks, which leads to votes
which leads to the beginning of the conversation....

our government isn't elected out of a vacuum.......

the system of politics is only a sheet on a well made bed.....add to that the comforter of the federal reserve and the pillows
of the UN agreements/contracts/forces......

the protection of 'intellectual property' and all it's laws/lawyers/politicians/trade agreements etc makes for a system that
is more fickle than not....not to mention a giant gap in the have/not(s).......

INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY HAS NO VALUE UNLESS THE LAW GIVES IT VALUE....

can someone tell me what that value is? virtual? moodys? what?

why should we care if some person creates 'knockoffs' and INTELLECTUALLY creates a trade and business for themselves?

the reason we spend so much $$ on tracking 'knockoffs' is to give VALUE to something we wouldn't/couldn't purchase anyway....

so YES the system and it's laws has/have nothing to do with rich vs poor as much as the policing of RATINGS AND FORCED VALUES...
---if I have chickens they lay eggs and you are hungry because you have no chickens, do I get an 'intellectual protection' to
prevent you from having your own chickens?....I had them first......isn't that smart of me?....not really....the eggs still shoot
out chickens asses regardless......

what's wealth?
what's value?

Quoted from senders

clinton allowed the raising of personal debt in promoting the mcmansion home buying spree.....taking from those who have a little
more and spreading out to those who have a little less is a good thing except when those with a little less to manage get up to
their eye balls with a little too much more to manage....

Allowing freedom of choice was a good thing.

The banks and other lenders had the same choice. They chose to sell loans to the unqualified.

That isn't Clinton's fault.

It was the fault of the ignorant customers and the greedy lenders.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Allowing freedom of choice was a good thing.

The banks and other lenders had the same choice. They chose to sell loans to the unqualified.

That isn't Clinton's fault.

It was the fault of the ignorant customers and the greedy lenders.

I wasn't blaming clinton....just pointing out to the masses that just because a politician/king/president says it,,,,doesn't
make it right.....he coined it with the status quo....regardless of party....THEY ARE THE STATUS QUO...
ALONG WITH THE FED RESERVE/LIBOR/UN/TRADE LAWS etc.....

it's BEYOND the 1%'ers and the 'fair share' conversation......

Quoted from senders

the protection of 'intellectual property' and all it's laws/lawyers/politicians/trade agreements etc makes for a system that
is more fickle than not....not to mention a giant gap in the have/not(s).......

INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY HAS NO VALUE UNLESS THE LAW GIVES IT VALUE....

can someone tell me what that value is? virtual? moodys? what?

Copyrights and patent laws are the equivalent of the mafia protecting your business from competition.

Patent laws cause people to die due to false value added to lifesaving medicines and medical procedures.

Should a man really earn a million dollars for singing a 3 minute song?

Without government protectionism and the destruction of free trade, he would get paid a fair value,
not a government inflated value.

Should a person die because Pfizer needs another 60 billion dollars?

Patent and copyright laws have created an entirely new set of values in our lives.

The cost of enforcing these laws is paid by us.

Marconi invented wireless intercontinental communication.

Patent laws prohibit it from being free for all to use in unlimited amounts.

The cable companies, the telephone companies, the entire telecommunications industry is a government
protected market falsely holding value due to government enforcement.

Any idiot can build a world wide wireless radio/data communication system for the cost of 2 months of cable service.

Patents retard the growth of technology to less than 5% of what it should be.

The entire world would have had computers and wireless video phones in the 50s if not for profit engineered patent laws.

Society is being held back for the profit of stockholders.

Quoted from CICERO

Congress is responsible for the federal income tax too.  Obama extended the Bush tax cuts too.

Under duress.

He never wanted to.

Most of Obama's first term was spent doing things he didn't want to do, due to extreme pressure, coupled
with the task of getting the country out of near bankruptcy.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Allowing freedom of choice was a good thing.

The banks and other lenders had the same choice. They chose to sell loans to the unqualified.

That isn't Clinton's fault.

It was the fault of the ignorant customers and the greedy lenders.

The banks HAD NO CHOICE!!! If they didn't give loans to the 'unqualified' either the banks lending rate from the feds would be increased or they would have their mortgage loan rights taken away!


Clinton sounded like the pied piper spewing the unrealistic fact that EVERYONE should and can own a home. The sheople fell for it.....the under qualified took the bait. And the banks had NO CHOICE!!! It was clinton's 'warm and fuzzy' lie that helped kick off the financial mess this country is in today....the housing bubble burst....thank you mr. clinton and mr. frank...the banks for caving and the sheople for falling for the lie.

And that is the real truth!!!! Just ask the banking folks!!!!

Quoted from bumblethru

The banks HAD NO CHOICE!!! If they didn't give loans to the 'unqualified' either the banks lending rate from the feds would be increased or they would have their mortgage loan rights taken away!

That was a choice. They chose to knowingly make bad sales in order to stay in business.

How was wrongful lending practices Clinton's fault?

If the Fed raised their rate, it would simply be passed on to the customers.

Committing the knowingly bad actions was entirely greed driven.

All lenders know, people will take any credit they can get.

It is the lenders responsibility to lend to credit worthy people.

Just like today, credit card companies give people with no job a credit card. They simply charge outrageous
interest, knowing full well many will default.

This isn't Obama's fault. The fed is barely charging interest at all.

The lenders are again using the high risk method, believing the government will not let them fail.

Obama has enacted many rules for credit card companies, to lower the abusive fees and penalties the
credit card issuers use as a tactic to earn more than the already sky high interest rates.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Copyrights and patent laws are the equivalent of the mafia protecting your business from competition.

Patent laws cause people to die due to false value added to lifesaving medicines and medical procedures.

Should a man really earn a million dollars for singing a 3 minute song?

Without government protectionism and the destruction of free trade, he would get paid a fair value,
not a government inflated value.

Should a person die because Pfizer needs another 60 billion dollars?

Patent and copyright laws have created an entirely new set of values in our lives.

The cost of enforcing these laws is paid by us.

Marconi invented wireless intercontinental communication.

Patent laws prohibit it from being free for all to use in unlimited amounts.

The cable companies, the telephone companies, the entire telecommunications industry is a government
protected market falsely holding value due to government enforcement.

Any idiot can build a world wide wireless radio/data communication system for the cost of 2 months of cable service.

Patents retard the growth of technology to less than 5% of what it should be.

The entire world would have had computers and wireless video phones in the 50s if not for profit engineered patent laws.

Society is being held back for the profit of stockholders.

which lends to the 'virtual value' of the 1%ers and those everyone thinks should 'pay their fair share'...which is actually
an oxymoron since the 'share' and it's 'value' is artificial......

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Under duress.

He never wanted to.

Most of Obama's first term was spent doing things he didn't want to do, due to extreme pressure, coupled
with the task of getting the country out of near bankruptcy.

Huh?  Under duress?  Things he didn't want to do?   Democrats and Obama spent a $787 billion porkulous bill and passed Obamacare in a purely partisan manner. He extended the "bush tax cut" during a lame duck session of a democrat controlled congress.  

I know you want to defend Obama and democrats at all cost and criticize everything republican, but you are embarrassing yourself by trying to make it sound like obama had to move heaven and earth.

Quoted from senders

which lends to the 'virtual value' of the 1%ers and those everyone thinks should 'pay their fair share'...which is actually
an oxymoron since the 'share' and it's 'value' is artificial......

and can be changed at the whim of the world wide economy machine along with the american $$ machine.....

here's a great new saying for us:

WHAT'S IN YOUR WALLET???

Quoted from CICERO

Huh?  Under duress?  Things he didn't want to do?   Democrats and Obama spent a $787 billion porkulous bill and passed Obamacare in a purely partisan manner. He extended the "bush tax cut" during a lame duck session of a democrat controlled congress.  

I know you want to defend Obama and democrats at all cost and criticize everything republican, but you are embarrassing yourself by trying to make it sound like obama had to move heaven and earth.

Afraid not.

The facts are the facts. Every time the top tax bracket got reduced, the debt skyrocketed.

The Republicans enacted every top rate reduction.

They gave the rich a break by balancing the economy on credit, instead of the actual tax revenues.

It was the biggest theft in the history of the world.

The only reason the budgets run deficits is due to the massive giveaway to the rich.

If tax rates stayed where they were before Raegan, the budget would be balanced and the debt would not exist.

The poor would be looked after and everyone would have medical coverage.

200% tax cut for the rich.

It never trickled down. It trickled offshore.

The biggest theft in the history of the world.

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Afraid not.

The facts are the facts. Every time the top tax bracket got reduced, the debt skyrocketed.

The Republicans enacted every top rate reduction.

They gave the rich a break by balancing the economy on credit, instead of the actual tax revenues.

It was the biggest theft in the history of the world.

The only reason the budgets run deficits is due to the massive giveaway to the rich.

If tax rates stayed where they were before Raegan, the budget would be balanced and the debt would not exist.

The poor would be looked after and everyone would have medical coverage.

200% tax cut for the rich.

It never trickled down. It trickled offshore.

The biggest theft in the history of the world.

just like insurance industry....it's ALWAYS about the VIG AND FEAR......

it's a lie from the get-go when talking about others trickling ANYWHERE ANYHOW ANYWAY to take care of others

Quoted from Libertarian4life

Afraid not.

The facts are the facts. Every time the top tax bracket got reduced, the debt skyrocketed.

The Republicans enacted every top rate reduction.

They gave the rich a break by balancing the economy on credit, instead of the actual tax revenues.

It was the biggest theft in the history of the world.

The only reason the budgets run deficits is due to the massive giveaway to the rich.

If tax rates stayed where they were before Raegan, the budget would be balanced and the debt would not exist.

The poor would be looked after and everyone would have medical coverage.

200% tax cut for the rich.

It never trickled down. It trickled offshore.

The biggest theft in the history of the world.

the biggest theft in the world is WAR silly......

Since the 1950s, the top federal income tax rate has fallen from 90 percent or more to 35 percent.
Capital gains tax rates have been cut by more than half since the late 1970s.
Financial tycoons now often pay a lower tax rate than their secretaries.

All this has coincided with the decline of some public services and the emergence of staggering
levels of inequality such that the top 1 percent of Americans now have greater collective net worth
than the entire bottom 90 percent.

What is their fair share of tax???
If you consider that their tax was 50% higher and was not a burden on the rich in the 1950's...
today's millionaires are NOT paying their share.