Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Government takes gold coins from family
Rotterdam NY...the people's voice    Rotterdam's Virtual Internet Community    United States Government  ›  Government takes gold coins from family Moderators: Admin
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 48 Guests

Government takes gold coins from family  This thread currently has 290 views. |
1 Pages 1 Recommend Thread
bumblethru
September 26, 2012, 2:14pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
30,841
Reputation
78.26%
Reputation Score
+36 / -10
Time Online
412 days 18 hours 59 minutes
http://abcnews.go.com/Business.....7159793#.UGJt16DsZek


Quoted Text
Judge Says 10 Rare Gold Coins Worth $80 Million Belong to Uncle Sam

Sept. 6, 2012
A judge ruled that 10 rare gold coins worth $80 million belonged to the U.S. government, not a family that had sued the U.S. Treasury, saying it had illegally seized them.

The 1933 Saint-Gaudens double eagle coin was originally valued at $20, but one owned by King Farouk of Egypt sold for as much as $7.5 million at a Sotheby's auction in 2002, according to Courthouse News.

After the U.S. abandoned the gold standard, most of the 445,500 double eagles that the Philadelphia Mint had struck were melted into gold bars.

However, a Philadelphia Mint cashier had managed to give or sell some of them to a local coin dealer, Israel Switt.

In 2003, Switt's family, his daughter, Joan Langbord, and two grandsons, drilled opened a safety deposit box that had belonged to him and found the 10 coins.

When the Langbords gave the coins to the Philadelphia Mint for authentication, the government seized them without compensating the family.

The Langbords sued, saying the coins belonged to them.

In 2011, a jury decided that the coins belonged to the government, but the family appealed.

Last week, Judge Legrome Davis of the Eastern District Court of Pennsylvania, affirmed that decision, saying "the coins in question were not lawfully removed from the United States Mint."

Barry Berke, an attorney for the Langbords, told ABCNews.com, "This is a case that raises many novel legal questions, including the limits on the government's power to confiscate property. The Langbord family will be filing an appeal and looks forward to addressing these important issues before the 3rd Circuit."

The family said in its suit that in another seizure of the 1933 double eagle, the government split the proceeds with the owner after the coin sold for $7.59 million in 2002, according to Coinbooks.org.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
Logged
Private Message
Box A Rox
September 26, 2012, 2:23pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
25,926
Reputation
58.62%
Reputation Score
+17 / -12
Time Online
514 days 11 hours 54 minutes
It would appear that the coins were stolen property.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 1 - 8
senders
September 27, 2012, 3:06am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
29,348
Reputation
70.97%
Reputation Score
+22 / -9
Time Online
1574 days 2 hours 22 minutes
virtual value


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 2 - 8
CICERO
September 27, 2012, 4:26am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
18,232
Reputation
68.00%
Reputation Score
+17 / -8
Time Online
702 days 15 hours 7 minutes
Quoted from Box A Rox
It would appear that the coins were stolen property.


Stolen from who?  

The government is going to melt the coins back into gold bars like they were origionally going to do right?


Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 3 - 8
Box A Rox
September 27, 2012, 5:11am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
25,926
Reputation
58.62%
Reputation Score
+17 / -12
Time Online
514 days 11 hours 54 minutes
Quoted from CICERO


Stolen from who?  

The government is going to melt the coins back into gold bars like they were originally going to do right?


If I go into a US mint and STEAL what isn't mine... it's stolen property, whether it's Gold Coins or Gold Bars.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 4 - 8
Henry
September 27, 2012, 5:23am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
6,058
Reputation
85.00%
Reputation Score
+17 / -3
Time Online
2114 days 9 hours 31 minutes
The 1st mistake was taking them to the mint to have them authenticated and not a private grading company.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 5 - 8
CICERO
September 27, 2012, 11:07am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
18,232
Reputation
68.00%
Reputation Score
+17 / -8
Time Online
702 days 15 hours 7 minutes
Quoted from Box A Rox


If I go into a US mint and STEAL what isn't mine... it's stolen property, whether it's Gold Coins or Gold Bars.


The government would have never had the value of rare coins.  They were melting them into gold bars.  The government should only have the rights to the gold value and not the $80 million for the rareness of the coins.  


Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 6 - 8
Box A Rox
September 27, 2012, 11:14am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
25,926
Reputation
58.62%
Reputation Score
+17 / -12
Time Online
514 days 11 hours 54 minutes
Quoted from CICERO


The government would have never had the value of rare coins.  They were melting them into gold bars.  The government should only have the rights to the gold value and not the $80 million for the rareness of the coins.  


Once again... Stolen property belongs to it's original owners... in this case the US Govt.  The fact that the
coins increased in value is irrelevant.

Had those coins been stolen from you, they should be returned to you, regardless if their value increased
or decreased.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 7 - 8
senders
September 27, 2012, 5:17pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
29,348
Reputation
70.97%
Reputation Score
+22 / -9
Time Online
1574 days 2 hours 22 minutes
I'm not understanding how they got to the 'stolen' ruling????


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 8 - 8
1 Pages 1 Recommend Thread
|

Rotterdam NY...the people's voice    Rotterdam's Virtual Internet Community    United States Government  ›  Government takes gold coins from family

Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread