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Box A Rox
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"After three weeks of football in 2012, the lockout imposed by the  NFL owners on their referees
has finally made their sport unwatchable.
By employing incapable men (scabs) to try and referee their games they have turned each one
into a Three Stooges episode. The final plays on Monday Night Football between Green Bay and
Seattle, which resulted in the scabs snatching a win out of the Packers' hands, may start to
finally up the heat on the fat cat owners."

In Hockey, NHL players are locked out of their sport at the beginning of the season.  

Pro sports management greed will eventually 'kill the goose that laid the golden egg'.  



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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The funny part is the Packers gave up 8 sacks, dropped loads of good passes...played terribly...now ticked at the refs for losing the game. The game should've been decided long before then. Packers didn't play well at all.
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Once NFL owners have lost Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R), perhaps it's safe to say
they've lost the nation.

After  Green Bay Packers suffered a devastating loss on a controversial last-second play Monday night,
Wisconsin's Governor Scott Walker, whom labor activists consider the most anti-union governor in the
nation took to Twitter on Tuesday morning to call for an end to the lockout of the league's
unionized referees.






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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Once NFL owners have lost Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R), perhaps it's safe to say
they've lost the nation.

After  Green Bay Packers suffered a devastating loss on a controversial last-second play Monday night,
Wisconsin's Governor Scott Walker, whom labor activists consider the most anti-union governor in the
nation took to Twitter on Tuesday morning to call for an end to the lockout of the league's
unionized referees.



Why must you make EVERYTHING about Dem-v-Rep ??

Get a life.
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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"After three weeks of football in 2012, the lockout imposed by the  NFL owners on their referees
has finally made their sport unwatchable.
By employing incapable men (scabs) to try and referee their games they have turned each one
into a Three Stooges episode. The final plays on Monday Night Football between Green Bay and
Seattle, which resulted in the scabs snatching a win out of the Packers' hands, may start to
finally up the heat on the fat cat owners."

In Hockey, NHL players are locked out of their sport at the beginning of the season.  

Pro sports management greed will eventually 'kill the goose that laid the golden egg'.  


You DO understand WHY the officials/nfl are at an impasse???
The officials, in addition to increased salaries, want a pension system from the NFL...all for a part time job that pays $150,000 annually plus expenses and involves 24 DAYS of work per year.. and that assumes the official works every pre-season, regular season, and playoff game right up to and including the Super Bowl. Unlike players and coaches, there is no off-season conditioning program for them, no mandatory mini-camps, no training camp for officials.
Full time NFL non-player employees do not have a pension system, why do officials think they are any different?

BTW, thanks to that call, I won my office pool this week...keep the replacements on the job!


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You DO understand WHY the officials/nfl are at an impasse???
The officials, in addition to increased salaries, want a pension system from the NFL...all for a part time job that pays $150,000 annually plus expenses and involves 24 DAYS of work per year.. and that assumes the official works every pre-season, regular season, and playoff game right up to and including the Super Bowl. Unlike players and coaches, there is no off-season conditioning program for them, no mandatory mini-camps, no training camp for officials.
Full time NFL non-player employees do not have a pension system, why do officials think they are any different?

BTW, thanks to that call, I won my office pool this week...keep the replacements on the job!


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But being a referee is a very complicated job – although we only see them for a few hours
on Sunday afternoons, most current referees spend twenty five to thirty five hours a week preparing
for their role on Sundays. There's film study, dealing with constantly changing rules and points
of emphasis, keeping in physical enough shape enough for fifty year old men to be able to keep
up with twenty year olds without seriously injuring themselves, not to mention the travel
requirements. These, and similar reasons, are why the other major sports leagues went to
full time referees years ago.



The NFL Officials presently HAVE A PENSION PLAN.  NFL owners want to end their pension plan and
substitute a 401type plan.  
As posted above, the owners will end up killing the goose that laid the golden egg.  

On a side note:  I had tickets to see the NJ Devils play the NY Rangers at the Times Union
Center tomorrow.  The game was cancelled due to a NHL Lockout.  
Just more of the same.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The NFL Officials presently HAVE A PENSION PLAN.  NFL owners want to end their pension plan and
substitute a 401type plan.  
As posted above, the owners will end up killing the goose that laid the golden egg.  

On a side note:  I had tickets to see the NJ Devils play the NY Rangers at the Times Union
Center tomorrow.  The game was cancelled due to a NHL Lockout.  
Just more of the same.

If they have a pension plan, then join the club...most companies are converting to 401k style plans, and ones that aren't..namely public employees, are breaking the bank for states and cities budgets.
And can you blame the nfl for locking out refs when they rejected a 40% increase and wanted a 400% one?
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130693&page=1#.UGH_4K60CIw
ALL this hubbub is been built up by sportscasters and p'eed off fans. The NFL TV contracts pay them regardless of who shows up to the games. For the individual teams, it comes down to winning and losing. If win, you have NO PROBLEM selling tickets, I don't care who is officiating...you win, you make money.

I see the refs are using the teachers argument when they criticized for making a full time pay with a part time job...


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NFL referees are just like government officials.  Even if you see it with your own eyes, it doesn't exist unless the "officials" say it exists.  If the officials say touchdown, then it's a touchdown.  

If you don't believe it was a touchdown you are a conspiracy nut.


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let's hear it for the union solidarity....if the players walked out it would be chaos.....having a union STILL puts one in a cast
system....

shame on the players


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The blame falls on ourselves for NFL mess

    By JOEL SHERMAN
    Last Updated: 2:27 AM, September 26, 2012
    Posted: 12:37 AM, September 26, 2012



Shame on those truly responsible for the debacle in the end zone in Seattle late Monday night.

That would be us. NFL fans.

After all, the league is just a crack dealer and there is not a market for something so fundamentally wrong without buyers. That’s us.

The NFL has a perfect product for a 2012 America obsessed with gambling, violence and sloth. As long as those joneses are fed weekly, the NFL can get away with anything from brain-addled players to incompetent refs.

The league knows us. It knows we have become anti-union as a country, so it can install under-qualified frauds in striped shirts and the discussion point is not the morality of being a scab, but simply whether they are skilled enough to go from the Lingerie League to the NFL.

Even now amid a furor that feels seminal, the NFL can just wait us out. You know why? Because it knows we are addicts. We will cry on endless loop about the refs jeopardizing safety and credibility, and the arrogance that positioned this to happen.

But we also will check out the betting lines, recalibrate our fantasy teams, and come 1 p.m. Sunday, we will line up our nachos and beers and scream for heads to be ripped off. The league has us because no matter the controversy and uproar, we are not going cold turkey off this drug. Boycotts will be threatened, but not enacted on a scale to worry the league. Enjoy, hypocrite America. The league has us figured out. It has provided the perfect product for this society.

We have high self-regard for our knowledge — even in areas in which we have limited knowledge — and low tolerance to shun get-rich-quick snake oil. This is why more lotteries and casinos spring up. We all have a system, you just watch.

The NFL offers the easiest to understand betting line — so and so is favored by six points over this and that. Come on, man. You’re an expert. You know who is going to cover. Throw a few sheckles down.

If that does not quench our gambling/self-regard gene, then how about running a fantasy team or 10, you unappreciated GM genius, you.

Of course, once you have all this invested, you are going to need to sit in front of your TV for 11 hours Sunday, then again on Monday and Thursday nights. We don’t have an obesity problem for nothing. We give ourselves excuses not to push away from the screens to be doers, not viewers. And how can you push away from a league in which you are a fake GM?

For those unfulfilled by betting lines or expanding waistlines, you get another American favorite — violence, as long as it is not violence enacted upon us. As long as it is not me or mine being carted off with their head strapped to a gurney.

We all laugh at the viral videos of the skateboarder crashing scrotum-first into a concrete divider or wait for the next video game that makes the decapitating, blood-spurting action more real than ever.

We pay lip service to all of the ex-NFLers losing their marbles and/or their lives prematurely, we know intuitively that if baseball has a steroid problem, then a league in which faster and stronger matters even more such as the NFL must have a whopper, we sense the league has known much more about head trauma than it has ever let on, but come Sunday we check our morality at the line of scrimmage. Kill ’em. Hit ’em harder. You are a wuss if you pull up.

This league — more than all the others combined — is Teflon. The leaders know America likes a good scream about injustice, so the vitriol will be on high for a few days. But it also knows us as a society of addicts when they see it. Nothing much has to change because we are not changing. We are coming back to the party Sunday, en masse.

This isn’t the referees’ fault. This is about the enablers — us.

joel.sherman@nypost.com
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If we locked out the NFL Players... Substitute players would be crap.
If we locked out the NFL Officials... The game would be crap.
If we locked out the NFL TV broadcasters... the coverage would be crap.
If we locked out the NFL Owners... No one would notice.  


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If we locked out the NFL Players... Substitute players would be crap.
If we locked out the NFL Officials... The game would be crap.
If we locked out the NFL TV broadcasters... the coverage would be crap.
If we locked out the NFL Owners... No one would notice.  

except the players, officials, and broadcasters...
Do you REALLY think they'd show up JUST for the love of the game??
Athletes are some of the biggest capitalists out there, but because they are in the sports/entrainment industry,they get a pass from criticism.


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except the players, officials, and broadcasters...
Do you REALLY think they'd show up JUST for the love of the game??
Athletes are some of the biggest capitalists out there, but because they are in the sports/entrainment industry,they get a pass from criticism.


If we replaced the NFL broadcasters, players or officials, the game would suffer.  If the entire NFL owners were
replaced with other owners, no one would notice.  The game would be exactly the same.  They are the one
replaceable element in the game.


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