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Libertarian4life
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Quoted from 1975
L4L - you've been drinking too much kool-aid.  I'm not suggesting you switch to tea, but wake up and smell the roses.  You're more intelligent than that.



Actually I'm using facts.

Follow the numbers closely:

In 1968 the highest tax rate was 70%     
The deficit for the year was $21.3 billion
The debt was $347.5 billion

While Nixon and Ford didn't cut taxes for the rich, they increased spending and :
In 1976 they left office with a 70% tax rate
The deficit for the year was $87.2 billion
The debt was $620.4 billion

That was an increase in the deficit of over 300% and an increase in the debt of 78%

In 1980 Jimmy Carter left office with a deficit of only $81.1 billion, a modest decrease in the deficit.
He raised the debt to $907.7 billion, an increase of $287.7 billion or 46%

Then comes Raegan lowering the highest tax rate from 70% to 50%.
Leaving office in 1988 with a whopping deficit of $252,060, which is over 4 times as much as was left to him.
His debt jumped to $2.6 Trillion, which is 2 and a half times what he inherited.

Raegan passes the throne to Bush who cuts taxes for the rich even further to 28%
He leaves office with a deficit of $399.3 billion
And a debt of $4 Trillion


Clinton raised the tax rate to 39.6% but he left office with a practically gone deficit of $17.9 billion, which is a 95% deficit reduction.
He did still raise the debt to 5.6 Trillion while lowering the deficit.

Now comes BushII who cuts taxes to 35% for the wealthy.
He leaves office with a $1 Trillion deficit and a $10 Trillion debt.

That's $10 Trillion total debt left for Obama.

Keep in mind the deficit is included in the total debt.

Now let's recap.

Nixon/Ford increased the debt by $272.9 Billion
Raegan/Bush raised the debt by $3 Trillion
Bush Jr raised the debt  by $4.4 Trillion

That's $7.6 Trillion and change, in Republican increases of the debt, all associated with tax cuts for the wealthy.

Now the Democrats:
Carter raised the debt by $287.7 billion
Clinton raised the debt by $1.6 Trillion

That's $1.88 Trillion and change, total.

This is where Obama begins.

$10 Trillion in debt facing bankruptcy.

For 2009 he runs a deficit of $1.885 Trillion
For 2010 he runs a deficit of $1.651 Trillion
For 2011 he runs a deficit of $1.228 Trillion

Totalling $4.764 Trillion through the beginning of 2012, which isn't completed yet.

That is only 8% more than Bush spent.

Plus he had to totally refinance the entire country after Bush destroyed the economy.

Add Obama's $4.764 to Carter and Clinton's $1.88 and you still only get $6.664 Trillion.

http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....gIQACA0QSU_blog.html

The Facts

The Treasury Department’s “Debt to the Penny” Web site makes it easy to track the growth of the national debt during Obama’s presidency. There are two key figures — for publicly held debt and for gross debt, which includes bonds that the government owes to itself (such as Social Security trust fund bonds.)

As of Jan. 20, 2009, the publicly held debt was $6.31 trillion and the gross debt was $10.63 trillion. As of May 14, 2012, the publicly held debt was $10.92 trillion and the gross debt was $15.68 trillion.

So, the publicly held debt has grown by $4.61 trillion, and the gross debt has grown by $5.05 trillion. Thus it’s certainly correct that the national debt has grown by about $5 trillion under Obama. Plus the debt also increases by 4 billion dollars every single day on top of that.
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Quoted from Shadow
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....gIQACA0QSU_blog.html

The Facts

The Treasury Department’s “Debt to the Penny” Web site makes it easy to track the growth of the national debt during Obama’s presidency. There are two key figures — for publicly held debt and for gross debt, which includes bonds that the government owes to itself (such as Social Security trust fund bonds.)

As of Jan. 20, 2009, the publicly held debt was $6.31 trillion and the gross debt was $10.63 trillion. As of May 14, 2012, the publicly held debt was $10.92 trillion and the gross debt was $15.68 trillion.

So, the publicly held debt has grown by $4.61 trillion, and the gross debt has grown by $5.05 trillion. Thus it’s certainly correct that the national debt has grown by about $5 trillion under Obama. Plus the debt also increases by 4 billion dollars every single day on top of that.


I'm not disputing your figures at all.

It only serves to strengthen my position that huge deficit growth is directly proportional to tax cuts for the wealthy.

Obama has been blocked from raising the highest tax rate back to where the government could actually afford to function.

Back to the pre-bankrupt nation era.

At 70 percent the government actually could operate.

At 50% the debt doubled.

At 39.6% the deficit nearly disappeared.

The current rate is 35% and the ship is sinking.

Remember, the people who actually pay the 35% are only those who got caught holding too much profit at the end of the year.

Most wealthy people pay very little taxes.

A GAO study found that in every year from 1998 to 2005, approximately 55 percent of large corporations paid no corporate income tax.

Of the top 100 leading world economies, 51 of them are corporations.

GDP

1     United States     8,708,870.00
2     Japan     4,395,083.00
3     Germany     2,081,202.00
4     France     1,410,262.00
5     United Kingdom     1,373,612.00
6     Italy     1,149,958.00
7     China     1,149,814.00
8     Brazil     760,345.00
9     Canada     612,049.00
10     Spain     562,245.00
11     Mexico     474,951.00
12     India     459,765.00
13     Korea, Rep.     406,940.00
14     Australia     389,691.00
15     Netherlands     384,766.00
16     Russian Federation     375,345.00
17     Argentina     281,942.00
18     Switzerland     260,299.00
19     Belgium     245,706.00
20     Sweden     226,388.00
21     Austria     208,949.00
22     Turkey     188,374.00
23     General Motors     176,558.00
24     Denmark     174,363.00
25     Wal-Mart     166,809.00
26     Exxon Mobil     163,881.00
27     Ford Motor     162,558.00
28     DaimlerChrysler     159,985.70
29     Poland     154,146.00
30     Norway     145,449.00
31     Indonesia     140,964.00
32     South Africa     131,127.00
33     Saudi Arabia     128,892.00
34     Finland     126,130.00
35     Greece     123,934.00
36     Thailand     123,887.00
37     Mitsui     118,555.20
38     Mitsubishi     117,765.60
39     Toyota Motor     115,670.90
40     General Electric     111,630.00
41     Itochu     109,068.90
42     Portugal     107,716.00
43     Royal Dutch/Shell     105,366.00
44     Venezuela     103,918.00
45     Iran, Islamic rep.     101,073.00
46     Israel     99,068.00
47     Sumitomo     95,701.60
48     Nippon Tel & Tel     93,591.70
49     Egypt, Arab Republic     92,413.00
50     Marubeni     91,807.40
51     Colombia     88,596.00
52     AXA     87,645.70
53     IBM     87,548.00
54     Singapore     84,945.00
55     Ireland     84,861.00
56     BP Amoco     83,556.00
57     Citigroup     82,005.00
58     Volkswagen     80,072.70
59     Nippon Life Insurance     78,515.10
60     Philippines     75,350.00
61     Siemens     75,337.00
62     Malaysia     74,634.00
63     Allianz     74,178.20
64     Hitachi     71,858.50
65     Chile     71,092.00
66     Matsushita Electric Ind.     65,555.60
67     Nissho Iwai     65,393.20
68     ING Group     62,492.40
69     AT&T     62,391.00
70     Philip Morris     61,751.00
71     Sony     60,052.70
72     Pakistan     59,880.00
73     Deutsche Bank     58,585.10
74     Boeing     57,993.00
75     Peru     57,318.00
76     Czech Republic     56,379.00
77     Dai-Ichi Mutual Life Ins.     55,104.70
78     Honda Motor     54,773.50
79     Assicurazioni Generali     53,723.20
80     Nissan Motor     53,679.90
81     New Zealand     53,622.00
82     E.On     52,227.70
83     Toshiba     51,634.90
84     Bank of America     51,392.00
85     Fiat     51,331.70
86     Nestle     49,694.10
87     SBC Communications     49,489.00
88     Credit Suisse     49,362.00
89     Hungary     48,355.00
90     Hewlett-Packard     48,253.00
91     Fujitsu     47,195.90
92     Algeria     47,015.00
93     Metro     46,663.60
94     Sumitomo Life Insur.     46,445.10
95     Bangladesh     45,779.00
96     Tokyo Electric Power     45,727.70
97     Kroger     45,351.60
98     Total Fina Elf     44,990.30
99     NEC     44,828.00
100     State Farm Insurance     44,637.20


From 1998 to 2005, approximately 55 percent of large corporations paid no corporate income tax.

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Obama wasn't blocked the first two years he had in office he could have done anything he wanted, he wanted health-care because it gives the government total control over the people. The people rewarded him by throwing enough Dems out of the house to stop him and the rest is history.
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Deficit spending... funny how it increases under Republicans and decreases under Democrats!  
I wonder where Obama would stand on this chart if G Worst Bush left him with an economy
similar to the one Clinton left Bush, instead of an economy in free fall.  
MORE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!!! MORE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!!!



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Obama wasn't blocked the first two years he had in office he could have done anything he wanted,...


He tried to undo the Bush tax cuts and was blocked.

Having a majority doesn't mean you get every vote from your party.

The Republicans have tried and tried to make America fail.

Obama is still standing and Romney is failing.

Inherited recession.

At least if the world ends on December 21st you won't have to suffer through another Obama term.



LOL! Lazy, Freeloading, Entitled Obama Lovers!

55% Of All Major Corporations Paid No Corporate Income Tax From 1998 To 2005

Suck On That, Freeloaders!
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"The Single Most Important Thing We Want to Achieve
Is For President Obama To Be A One-Term President."

Senator Mitch McConnell Oct. 29, 2010


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Quoted from Box A Rox
"The Single Most Important Thing We Want to Achieve
Is For President Obama To Be A One-Term President."

Senator Mitch McConnell Oct. 29, 2010


Republicans would be much better off if they never talked.

They just start ramblin along, until it turns into rednecking slurs or proclamations that they imagine will bring them cheers and votes.

Mostly they just seem creepy, and voters are afraid of what may be the next possible outrageous stunt, they may try to unleash.

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Who DOESN'T Pay Taxes???
Millionaires!


According to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, some 3,000 of the 76 million taxpayers that were
expected to pay no federal income taxes in 2011 were making nearly $2.2 million per year, which
puts them in the top 0.1 percent income bracket.

Another 24,000 taxpayers expected to pay no income taxes last year were in the top 1 percent
income bracket, making between $532,613 and $2.2 million per year.

How about another Republican Tax Cut For the Rich!

Pathetic!

NY Times
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/who-doesnt-pay-federal-income-taxes-legally/


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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When you control both houses of Congress and you are the President the only way to block anything is if Democrats are voting with the Republicans just like they did when Obama submitted his budget to Congress, didn't get one vote. If you don't like the loopholes in the tax code change it if you can get your party to vote for it.
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THAT'S WHY IT SHOULD BE A FLAT TAX....NOT:

1. poor tax
2. rich tax
3. business tax


etc etc etc......STRAIGHT UP!!!!!!

easy to see and easy to follow....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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