If you truly believe that this is how the land of freedom should be run, then Brandon Raub is right. This system need to be replaced.
Sure... change any law that you think should be changed. See your congressman or senator to get advice on how to proceed. If you think that the entire govt should be replaced... See "The US Civil War", before proceeding... or maybe civil war is your intent.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A. Let me guess, it was too dangerous to send in a special force unit to capture Al Awlaki to give him his day in court. I was too risky.
B. BUT, we can justify sacrificing 1 soldier a day in Afghanistan...And for what?
One has nothing to do with the other. Except in your mind.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Sure... change any law that you think should be changed. See your congressman or senator to get advice on how to proceed. If you think that the entire govt should be replaced... See "The US Civil War", before proceeding... or maybe civil war is your intent.
Civil resistance is the method.
Perhaps you are old enough to remember the dock workers in Poland that sat down and refused to move.
It quickly spread throughout the country and the government was made completely ineffective.
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — A judge on Thursday ordered the release of a former Marine who was detained for psychiatric evaluation after posting strident anti-government messages on Facebook.
Prince George County Circuit Judge W. Allan Sharrett said at the end of a one-hour hearing that the involuntary commitment order issued by a magistrate against Brandon J. Raub was invalid because it contained no allegation or basis to hold him, according to the head of a civil liberties organization that represented the 26-year-old veteran.
"This is a great victory," Rutherford Institute executive director John Whitehead said. "He's a good human being. He just got caught in some weird bureaucratic meanderings and the judge recognized that there's really no true facts to hold this man in a psychiatric ward."
Raub's family was expected to pick him up from the Salem Veterans Affairs Medical Center later Thursday. His mother, Cathleen Thomas, did not immediately return a voicemail message.
Raub, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, was taken into custody Aug. 16 after being questioned by Chesterfield County police and federal agents about his Facebook posts. The FBI said the interview was prompted by complaints from people who read his ominous posts, including some that spoke of a pending revolution. One said "a day of reckoning" was coming, and another said: "Sharpen my axe; I'm here to sever heads."
Onlookers shot a video of Raub being led away from his home in handcuffs and posted it on You Tube, fueling a groundswell of support for the veteran and criticism that the government was trampling on his free-speech rights. The Charlottesville-based Rutherford Institute came to his defense, characterizing the government's actions as those of a police state. Raub was not charged with a crime.
"Brandon Raub was arrested with no warning, targeted for doing nothing more than speaking out against the government, detained against his will, and isolated from his family, friends and attorneys," Whitehead said. "These are the kinds of things that take place in totalitarian societies. Today, at least, Judge Allan Sharrett proved that justice can still prevail in America."
He called Raub's release a victory for the First Amendment.
"People a have right to go on Facebook or the Internet (and) say things that people might not agree with, "Whitehead said. "But that doesn't mean they're crazy or should be incarcerated for it."
Raub initially was taken the John Randolph Medical Center in Hopewell, where he was held over the weekend for a preliminary evaluation. After a hearing Monday, another judge ordered Raub detained for an additional month and transferred him to the Salem VA hospital.
Thursday's hearing was expected to be limited to Raub's objection to the transfer, so Whitehead said Sharrett's decision came as a surprise.
"The petition is so devoid of any factual allegations that it could not be reasonably expected to give rise to a case or controversy," the order says.
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — A judge on Thursday ordered the release of a former Marine who was detained for psychiatric evaluation after posting strident anti-government messages on Facebook.
Prince George County Circuit Judge W. Allan Sharrett said at the end of a one-hour hearing that the involuntary commitment order issued by a magistrate against Brandon J. Raub was invalid because it contained no allegation or basis to hold him, according to the head of a civil liberties organization that represented the 26-year-old veteran.
"This is a great victory," Rutherford Institute executive director John Whitehead said. "He's a good human being. He just got caught in some weird bureaucratic meanderings and the judge recognized that there's really no true facts to hold this man in a psychiatric ward."
Raub's family was expected to pick him up from the Salem Veterans Affairs Medical Center later Thursday. His mother, Cathleen Thomas, did not immediately return a voicemail message.
Raub, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, was taken into custody Aug. 16 after being questioned by Chesterfield County police and federal agents about his Facebook posts. The FBI said the interview was prompted by complaints from people who read his ominous posts, including some that spoke of a pending revolution. One said "a day of reckoning" was coming, and another said: "Sharpen my axe; I'm here to sever heads."
Onlookers shot a video of Raub being led away from his home in handcuffs and posted it on You Tube, fueling a groundswell of support for the veteran and criticism that the government was trampling on his free-speech rights. The Charlottesville-based Rutherford Institute came to his defense, characterizing the government's actions as those of a police state. Raub was not charged with a crime.
"Brandon Raub was arrested with no warning, targeted for doing nothing more than speaking out against the government, detained against his will, and isolated from his family, friends and attorneys," Whitehead said. "These are the kinds of things that take place in totalitarian societies. Today, at least, Judge Allan Sharrett proved that justice can still prevail in America."
He called Raub's release a victory for the First Amendment.
"People a have right to go on Facebook or the Internet (and) say things that people might not agree with, "Whitehead said. "But that doesn't mean they're crazy or should be incarcerated for it."
Raub initially was taken the John Randolph Medical Center in Hopewell, where he was held over the weekend for a preliminary evaluation. After a hearing Monday, another judge ordered Raub detained for an additional month and transferred him to the Salem VA hospital.
Thursday's hearing was expected to be limited to Raub's objection to the transfer, so Whitehead said Sharrett's decision came as a surprise.
"The petition is so devoid of any factual allegations that it could not be reasonably expected to give rise to a case or controversy," the order says.
What were the first methods the Obama Administrations use to capture Al Awlaki and his 16 year old son before using the "last resort" missile strike?
US and Yemeni intelligence were attempting to capture your buddy Al Awlaki for a long time. Capture would have been preferable. Intelligence is a rapidly changing commodity. It can change in not hours, but minutes and sometimes seconds. When the brief opportunity is lost, it may not present itself again for months or years or ever. Had the US been able to hit Bin Laden in Bora Bora in 2002, it would have been a huge advantage and a huge loss to AlQaeda. That target never presented itself but Al Awlaki did. And the right action was taken.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
US and Yemeni intelligence were attempting to capture your buddy Al Awlaki for a long time. Capture would have been preferable. Intelligence is a rapidly changing commodity. It can change in not hours, but minutes and sometimes seconds. When the brief opportunity is lost, it may not present itself again for months or years or ever. Had the US been able to hit Bin Laden in Bora Bora in 2002, it would have been a huge advantage and a huge loss to AlQaeda. That target never presented itself but Al Awlaki did. And the right action was taken.
Civil resistance is the method. Perhaps you are old enough to remember the dock workers in Poland that sat down and refused to move. It quickly spread throughout the country and the government was made completely ineffective.
I'm quite familiar with Ghandi's and MLK's resistance methods... and in many cases I approve of them. That method is the opposite of what you see in the Right Wing Crazies Militia, Oathkeepers and Sovereign Citizens groups.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I'm quite familiar with Ghandi's and MLK's resistance methods... and in many cases I approve of them. That method is the opposite of what you see in the Right Wing Crazies Militia, Oathkeepers and Sovereign Citizens groups.
I wouldn't call them opposites.
They want the same thing, change.
Many are just are willing to die for their cause.
That doesn't make them crazies.
George Washington would have been labeled a crazy terrorist by you.
Every person draws the line at a different spot.
If Ghandi watched people being slaughtered in front of him, he may have taken action before they killed his family and friends.
I wouldn't call them opposites. They want the same thing, change. Many are just are willing to die for their cause. That doesn't make them crazies. George Washington would have been labeled a crazy terrorist by you. Every person draws the line at a different spot. If Ghandi watched people being slaughtered in front of him, he may have taken action before they killed his family and friends.
Libertarian4life sees Ghandi, MLK and The Sovereign Citizens as comrades... buddies... very similar.
One believes in Non Violent civil disobedience...
the other believes in Shooting state police men and judges.
Yea... they are almost alike
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
US and Yemeni intelligence were attempting to capture your buddy Al Awlaki for a long time. Capture would have been preferable. Intelligence is a rapidly changing commodity. It can change in not hours, but minutes and sometimes seconds. When the brief opportunity is lost, it may not present itself again for months or years or ever. Had the US been able to hit Bin Laden in Bora Bora in 2002, it would have been a huge advantage and a huge loss to AlQaeda. That target never presented itself but Al Awlaki did. And the right action was taken.
Oh,,,Ok, then the Obama Administration released all the evidence pertaining to the pursuit and attempted arrest of Al Awlaki. Did you FOIL for that? They must also have the evidence for probable cause on the warrant that was issued for Al Awlaki's arrest. Can you provide the link to the FOIL documents that show due process was followed and the arrest warrant that the U.S. government issued against Al Alwlaki and his terrorist 16 year old son? I've been looking for that information, since you have that, it would be great if you could post them here. You should forward those documents to the ACLU because I think they are interested in those documents also.
That method is the opposite of what you see in the Right Wing Crazies Militia, Oathkeepers.
Which one is it because you seem to be flip flopping, do soldiers have to obey bad orders or not, the Oath Keepers just make it clear they will not, why is that wrong in your eyes.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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