Your characterization "brown desert people with funny names" I find offensive, and it's American, British, Australian, etc., blood that was shed there. Why do you always have to be this way instead of trying to normalize your statements to be less than offensive, bigoted and conspiratorial. You speak about legitimate debating of topics and then spew this kind of crap and don't understand why a reasonable discusssion can't be held. i would take you a lot more serious and gladly indlulge your discussion, but not when this is how you carry on. So now go ahead and blast me all you want! I said my peace and IT IS MY OPINION!
I really don't care if you want to "gladly indulge in my discussion". If you find words on a message board offensive that is your problem. If I recall, you are former military...For being a tough soldier boy, you have quite the thin skin when it comes to colorful language used in rhetorical debate.
One thing I give box credit for, he doesn't whine about being personally "offended" by words used in a post.
I really don't care if you want to "gladly indulge in my discussion". If you find words on a message board offensive that is your problem. If I recall, you are ex military...For being a tough soldier boy, you have quite the thin skin when it comes to colorful language used in rhetorical debate.
Joe. From what I can gather in discussions with Cicero he has some real problems with the military, possibly stemming from his dad's service and differences he has with his dad. It isn't a political discussion with Cicero... it seems much more personal. Whether you agree with the war or not, most Americans will not condemn the soldier for the politics of a war. Cic has blamed the actual grunts on the ground for the political decisions made back in Washington.
Many of his posts show a total lack of understanding of how the military operates, or what it means to be in the military.I think it distorts many of his posts and lead him to some mistaken opinions. Many of his rants are so off factual thought, I just ignore them.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan is now refusing to explain a bill that he co-sponsored with Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) that critics say would have redefined rape, providing federal assistance only to victims of “forcible rape.”
From an interview with John Delano:
~“You sponsored legislation that has the language ‘forcible rape,’” Delano pointed out to Ryan. “What is forcible rape?” ~“Rape is rape,” Ryan replied, shaking his head. “Rape is rape, period. End of story.”
~“So that forcible rape language meant nothing to you at the time?” Delano pressed. ~“Rape is rape and there’s no splitting hairs over rape,” Ryan insisted.
What happened to his "Forcible Rape" legislation??? Republican bigot Todd Akin is what happened!
Wow, look at that, Paul Ryan being dragged into the Akin story. Who knew? It's amazing how these completely random stories happen on queue and tie in together. If I knew any better, I would think it was orchestrated. But since that would be “conspiratorial”, I will have to assume this is just a HUGE coincidence.
I have to say, this completely random scandal with Akin works out well for the Republicans, at least this story comes out before October when it could have really hurt the Romney/Ryan ticket.
I really don't care if you want to "gladly indulge in my discussion". If you find words on a message board offensive that is your problem. If I recall, you are ex military...For being a tough soldier boy, you have quite the thin skin when it comes to colorful language used in rhetorical debate.
One thing I give box credit for, he doesn't whine about being personally "offended" by words used in a post.
I stopped being a boy a long time ago, but you obviously can't shake being a loser. You like to use offensive language, so be it...but it's also my right to tell you that it's offensive becuase you obviously are to oblivious to realize it. Didn't WHINE about it...told you it was offensive...can't you read? ....and to be clear, I'm still alive, so not "ex" as you say. USMC/Viet Vet /Army Reserve and damn proud of it. Too bad you didn't join the rest of us "boys"...you might have become a man....nah, you couldn't have made it through! Would have loved to have you in my squad back then...can you say BLANKET PARTY!!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Many of his posts show a total lack of understanding of how the military operates, or what it means to be in the military.
Yeah...Very difficult to understand how the military operates. You point that gun at whoever the government tells you to and pull the trigger. No questions asked. As long as a superior officer gives an order you are not responsible for your actions. Then, better yet, when the government LIES to bring a nation to war, the former soldiers like yourself excuses the government for NOT prosecuting the people that gave the orders, because it's too politically difficult. AMAZING!
Yeah...Very difficult to understand how the military operates. You point that gun at whoever the government tells you to and pull the trigger. No questions asked. As long as a superior officer gives an order you are not responsible for your actions. Then, better yet, when the government LIES to bring a nation to war, the former soldiers like yourself excuses the government for NOT prosecuting the people that gave the orders, because it's too politically difficult. AMAZING!
His response proved my point. Cic. Give your dad a call and ask him a little about his experience in the military. Don't say a word... just listen. I doubt it would do any good, but there is a chance you may be in for an entire education that you know nothing about.
I don't know why I try with you Cicero... but consider this: If I had never in my life rode a bike, and I've only been exposed to a few bikes in my life, but I read several very factual books about bikes, how to ride them and how to be good at riding them. I would know all the information necessary to ride a bike... but I wouldn't know how until I got on one and attempted to ride it. Even though I have all the information... I would probably be quite off balance on my first ever try, possibly even falling off, even though I am a 'book expert' on bikes. That first 20 minutes on a bike would teach me much more than all the books put together. Get my point???
You have read the information with out the actual experience. And now you are forming opinions on a flawed view. In this case, you are telling Lance Armstrong how to ride a bike. I'm sure Lance would laugh at you... just the way Joe and I are.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
OKAY, now I understand...he fell off his bike at a young age and cracked his skull on the pavement and damaged the "rational thinking" lobe of his brain......so that is why he is the way he is!!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
OKAY, now I understand...he fell off his bike at a young age and cracked his skull on the pavement and damaged the "rational thinking" lobe of his brain......so that is why he is the way he is!!!!
Ahhh...Just like Brandon Raub, if you believe something other than the orthodoxy of the state, you must have psychiatric problems. LOL!
OKAY, now I understand...he fell off his bike at a young age and cracked his skull on the pavement and damaged the "rational thinking" lobe of his brain......so that is why he is the way he is!!!!
I wish it was that easy! Not only is he brain damaged, but the small functioning part of his brain has been contaminated with backward thinking!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
You have read the information with out the actual experience. And now you are forming opinions on a flawed view. In this case, you are telling Lance Armstrong how to ride a bike. I'm sure Lance would laugh at you... just the way Joe and I are.
What would Henry Kissinger say about military men and the way they should be used?
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"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." Henry Kissinger, quoted by Bob Woodward in The Final Days, 1976
It amazes me that militray men in modern day America have any respect for the government that used them as pawns in so many meaningless wars during the 20th and 21st centuries. I guess hindsight isn't 20/20 for some people.
When I posted: " I doubt it would do any good," (explaining it to Cicero)...
I was RIGHT!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
It amazes me that militray men in modern day America have any respect for the government that used them as pawns in so many meaningless wars during the 20th and 21st centuries. I guess hindsight isn't 20/20 for some people.
It amazes me people that think like you still exist in this world...thought they all evolved, but apparently not all! As for HIND SIGHT...you are the expert on that one too!!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
LOL! I know it hurts. Humor is a healthy way to cope with this.
How about the FACT that American military hero, General McAurthur, ordered the military to attack and burn the camps of the jobless and homeless vets of WWI(Bonus Marchers) Not only did the government send them to fight and die, but they also denied the money the returning soldiers were promised. Then when the vets protested their government, the military turned on their own - BECAUSE THEY WERE ORDERED.
I know, I know, I wasn't there during the Bonus March, but neither was box and joebxr, but there is recorded history of it, it happened.
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The Bonus March (May-July, 1932)
Few images from the Great Depression are more indelible than the rout of the Bonus Marchers. At the time, the sight of the federal government turning on its own citizens -- veterans, no less -- raised doubts about the fate of the republic. It still has the power to shock decades later.
From the start, 1932 promised to be a difficult year for the country, as the Depression deepened and frustrations mounted. In December of 1931, there was a small, communist-led hunger march on Washington; a few weeks later, a Pittsburgh priest led an army of 12,000 jobless men there to agitate for unemployment legislation. In March, a riot at Ford's River Rouge plant in Michigan left four dead and over fifty wounded. Thus, when a band of jobless veterans, led by a former cannery worker named Walter W. Walters, began arriving in the capital in May, tensions were high. Calling themselves the "Bonus Expeditionary Forces," they demanded early payment of a bonus Congress had promised them for their service in World War I.
Army Chief of Staff MacArthur was convinced that the march was a communist conspiracy to undermine the government of the United States, and that "the movement was actually far deeper and more dangerous than an effort to secure funds from a nearly depleted federal treasury." But that was simply not the case. MacArthur's own General Staff intelligence division reported in June that only three of the twenty-six leaders of the Bonus March were communists. And the percentage within the rank and file was likely even smaller; several commanders reported to MacArthur that most of the men seemed to be vehemently anti-Communist, if anything. According to journalist and eyewitness Joseph C. Harsch, "This was not a revolutionary situation. This was a bunch of people in great distress wanting help.... These were simply veterans from World War I who were out of luck, out of money, and wanted to get their bonus -- and they needed the money at that moment."
At first, it seemed as though order might be maintained. Walters, organizing the various encampments along military lines, announced that there would be "no panhandling, no drinking, no radicalism," and that the marchers were simply "going to stay until the veterans' bill is passed." The government also did its part, as Washington Police Superintendent Pelham D. Glassford treated his fellow veterans with considerable respect and care. But by the end of June, the movement had swelled to more than 20,000 tired, hungry and frustrated men. Conflict was inevitable.
The marchers were encouraged when the House of Representatives passed the Patman veterans bill on June 15, despite President Hoover's vow to veto it. But on June 17 the bill was defeated in the Senate, and tempers began to flare on both sides. On July 21, with the Army preparing to step in at any moment, Glassford was ordered to begin evacuating several buildings on Pennsylvania Avenue, using force if necessary. A week later, on the steamy morning of July 28, several Marchers rushed Glassford's police and began throwing bricks. President Hoover ordered the Secretary of War to "surround the affected area and clear it without delay."
Conspicuously led by MacArthur, Army troops (including Major George S. Patton, Jr.) formed infantry cordons and began pushing the veterans out, destroying their makeshift camps as they went. Although no weapons were fired, cavalry advanced with swords drawn, and some blood was shed. By nightfall, hundreds had been injured by gas (including a baby who died), bricks, clubs, bayonets, and sabers
WOW.......Can't even believe what I'm reading here!!! The fact of the matter is...........the vietnam vets were used and abused and lied to by their own government!! Just as they are today. Even the vets know that!!!
WWII.....those vets were lied to. These 18 year olds were told by their 'commander and chief' that if they went off to fight and die for their country, their kids would never have to go to war again!!! How did that turn out for those WW!! vets??? I've talked to many WWII vets and they told stories that would make your toes curl.
And as a side note, today's military ain't what it use to be. Did ya know that you can still join any branch of the service if you are 3 months heroin clean? YUP!! TRUTH! You are also allowed if your drug testing falls into the 'lower drug testing scale'. Some are close to jail time from numerous convictions that have a choice....jail or service!!
I KNOW THIS FROM PERSONAL FAMILY AND FRIEND EXPERIENCES WITHIN THIS LAST YEAR!!!!!
So you are all comparing apples and oranges!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
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