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joebxr
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http://thinkprogress.com/

WOW!!! Now THIS is a sure reliable website!!!!!
They dole out the 'kool aid' with each message!!!

And folks actually fall for it and take it as the gospel!!!


Then how about the HUFF POST
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/16/paul-ryan-stimulus_n_1790573.html
or ABC NEWS
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/po.....sting-stimulus-cash/
or maybe the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/08/16/paul-ryans-stimulus-problem/
or even CBS
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57494878-503544/ryan-denies-requesting-stimulus-funds/


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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This is another argument fooling the uneducated.  As a representative, it is his responsibility to request stimulus money and bring it back to his district.  He voted AGAINST the stimulus and LOST the vote.  So now since he lost, the federal government(Obama Administration) is going to start spending his constituents money.  He either try's to retrieve the money and bring it back to his district, or, he leaves the money inside the executive branch to allow Obama to spend it any way he wishes.  

I'm not defending Ryan, because he's no fiscal conservative, since he voted for TARP, Auto Bailout, and the Prescription Drug Benefit.  But ear marking money back to you district after losing the vote on a spending bill that spends your constituents money is a fallacious argument.  If the spending bill never passes, then you never have to earmark money back to your district.


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Definately, IT IS his responsibility to try to bring that money to his consituants, even if he bvoted against it...that is part of his job. So why deny then push blame on others. i wold have respected him for stepping up and saying...."hey, the money was out there becuase of the bill passed and I would not be a good representative of my people if I didn't try everything I could to bring that money home and help our local economy."


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"I Never Asked For Stimulus"

In an interview with a local Ohio television news station, Ryan claimed he never secured funding through
the program, saying “I never asked for stimulus.”

On Tuesday, the Boston Globe and Associated Press reported on documents showing that GOP Vice
Presidential candidate Paul Ryan had secured more than $20 million in stimulus funds for a local energy
efficiency organization.

Read Ryan’s 2009 letters, asking for stimulus dollars here:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ryanletters0813.pdf


"I never asked for stimulus..."
yet in each letter he says:
"Thank for our considerationof my request."
Then signs his name.

He can run but when he signs his name on a public document... He can't hide from the truth.



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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Ryan on 'asking for stimulus'...

... “They should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that. Regardless, it’s clear
that the Obama stimulus did nothing to stimulate the economy, and now the President is asking to do it
all over again.”


Rachel Maddow:
" It did nothing to stimulate the economy, even though I wrote letters saying "Please give me this
money. It will help stimulate the economy."

And then I signed my name at the bottom of those letters. And if I did request all that stimulus money,
which I did, by the way, I did it by mistake. My staff did it. I signed it, yeah, but it was my staff."

"Neither Ryan or Romney have been giving the voters much of a reason to trust them. I'd say that's
a huge understatement, since Romney's campaign has been based on nothing but lies since the day
he announced this time around."


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Paul Ryan/Todd Akin... Two peas in a pod!

National Journal reports that Rep. Paul Ryan and Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO)  "share a voting history on
abortion rights, including mutual support for a controversial measure that would define embryos as a
person. They cosponsored another measure, subsequently withdrawn, that would distinguish 'forcible
rape' in banning abortion funding. Akin, Ryan, and Mitt Romney also back less-controversial measures,
such as defunding Planned Parenthood."


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Paul Ryan/Todd Akin... Two peas in a pod!

National Journal reports that Rep. Paul Ryan and Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO)  "share a voting history on
abortion rights, including mutual support for a controversial measure that would define embryos as a
person. They cosponsored another measure, subsequently withdrawn, that would distinguish 'forcible
rape' in banning abortion funding. Akin, Ryan, and Mitt Romney also back less-controversial measures, such as defunding Planned Parenthood."


Wow, looks like the Republicans knew what they were doing getting this distraction out early.  It's like they have the Obama playbook.  Akin was told to step on this landmind now in order to kill the issue in August.

Obama is trying HARD to make this election about wedge social issues, and NOT on the economy, unemployment, and federal debt.


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So Obama must have paid AKIN to stick both of his feet in his mouth at this point to avoid dealing with the issues you point out?
You know, if an opportunity drops itself on your doorstep, you would be a fool not to take advantage of it. Even Romney/Ryan have been addressing it....so why not smack at them for not talking about the economy????


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So Obama must have paid AKIN to stick both of his feet in his mouth at this point to avoid dealing with the issues you point out?
You know, if an opportunity drops itself on your doorstep, you would be a fool not to take advantage of it. Even Romney/Ryan have been addressing it....so why not smack at them for not talking about the economy????


No, I'm suggesting the Republicans paid Akin to stick both feet in his mouth (not paid directly).  I predict he will be earning a 6 figure salary working for a conservative lobbying firm this time next year.  Akin is jumping on the proverbial hand grenade.  Paul Ryan will be dragged into this for legislation he sponsored with Akin.  This also serves as an opportunity for the Republican Party high profile leaders to come out and denounce this congressman and reposition themselves in the "war on women" campaign Obama has been waging.

I'm not "smacking" at them for not talking about the economy, I'm just commenting on the political strategies both campaigns are using.  The Obama campaign wants to drive the public debate on wedge issues like "war on women" and the Romney campaign knows this and is making Obama have this argument in August instead of October.

My point is, both candidates avoid debating the issues that are affecting most Americans - THE ECONOMY.  They are trying to pick off voting blocs using wedge social issues.


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I think that is quite some theory...but don't buy it. Akin historically has had some rough spots and this time he just happened to do it in the middle of the Presidential campaign, so it is more pronounced and visible...media is all over ANYTHING ANYONE is saying, and then both candidates have to address it...sidetracking from dealing with important issues.

As for debating the economy, I think that wil be foremost topic in the actual upcoming debates...I am anxious to hear those. My questin is which candidate will not answer questions directly first, but try to steer around the questions....I would wager it is ROMNEY!!!! Wanna bet on that???


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As for debating the economy, I think that wil be foremost topic in the actual upcoming debates...I am anxious to hear those. My questin is which candidate will not answer questions directly first, but try to steer around the questions....I would wager it is ROMNEY!!!! Wanna bet on that???


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Put me down for $10 (payable in Pizza, wings and beer)


$10 = 1 8oz glass of Utica Club; 2 day old wings; 1/2 slice of Little Ceasers cheese pizza......you're going to loose either way with that meal!!!!


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No, I'm suggesting the Republicans paid Akin to stick both feet in his mouth (not paid directly).  I predict he will be earning a 6 figure salary working for a conservative lobbying firm this time next year.  Akin is jumping on the proverbial hand grenade.  Paul Ryan will be dragged into this for legislation he sponsored with Akin.  This also serves as an opportunity for the Republican Party high profile leaders to come out and denounce this congressman and reposition themselves in the "war on women" campaign Obama has been waging.

I'm not "smacking" at them for not talking about the economy, I'm just commenting on the political strategies both campaigns are using.  The Obama campaign wants to drive the public debate on wedge issues like "war on women" and the Romney campaign knows this and is making Obama have this argument in August instead of October.

My point is, both candidates avoid debating the issues that are affecting most Americans - THE ECONOMY.  They are trying to pick off voting blocs using wedge social issues.


When you are "Anti Govt", nothing is what it IS... It's always a grand conspiracy.  A Democrat gets caught
in bed with a stripper... It's a pay off.  A Republican gets caught in bed with the bell hop... It's a set up.
A Senate candidate voices his bigoted views on rape... Of Course... it's a "pay off".

The Paranoid Motto:
"Just because your paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get ya."



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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When you are "Anti Govt", nothing is what it IS... It's always a grand conspiracy.  


Not a grand conspiracy but rather a grand political strategy.  Only you would believe a 10 year veteran politician that has done countless interviews and ran in multiple campaigns would make a draw dropping comment during an interview 1 day before the deadline he can drop out.

According to the "main streamers", if you stop believing the lies told by the proven liars, you are a conspiracy theorist.  It is the political equivalent of heresy


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Not a grand conspiracy but rather a grand political strategy.  Only you would believe a 10 year veteran politician that has done countless interviews and ran in multiple campaigns would make a draw dropping comment during an interview 1 day before the deadline he can drop out.

According to the "main streamers", if you stop believing the lies told by the proven liars, you are a conspiracy theorist.  It is the political equivalent of heresy

Cicero is so naive... I wonder if he thought that VP candidate Sarah Palin was faking it when she thought
that the North Koreans were our allies?
I wonder if Cic thought that Palin was faking it when she said that Saddam Hussein attacked us at the WTC
on Sept 11th?
Bimbo Palin had a box full of "Palin Truths" that only she believed.  Yea, she was that dumb... as is Todd Akin.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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