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Besides - a democracy works best with a strong TWO (at least) party system.


It works best when the majority of people have faith in the the TWO parties and continue to be disillusioned that the political parties serve their interests.  Once more and more people wake up to the 2 party charade, it stops working.


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I agree about a democracy and a multiparty system.....but however strong, however honest, however 'anything'.....they would NEVER get the media coverage....NEVER did and never will! Not to mention that the dems and the unions (which are huge in NYS) are embedded so deep that you can't find it's beginning or it's end!!

Let's see how far GOP backed Quackenbush gets! What union will back what candidate?


As for Mr. Quackenbush, he will be defeated by Mr. Santabarbara - who by the way is one of the very few Democrats that I am publicly endorsing and supporting during this Election cycle.

As for the GOP and unions read the article below:

Unions Lift Donations to Republicans
Friday, 18 Nov 2011 01:24 PM
By Newsmax Wires

Unions and Democrats go together like peanut butter and jelly, right? Actually not so much anymore. Unions are increasing the percentage of their donations that go to Republicans, Politico reports.

The shift represents an effort to reward GOP congressmen who have voted in favor of unions, to cultivate freshmen representatives who are on the rise, and to help moderate Republicans fight off challenges from more conservative tea partyers.

So far in this election cycle, the GOP has received 13 percent of union donations, more than double the 6 percent of 2010 and up from 8 percent in 2008 too. That means a little more than $2 million of union spending has gone to Republican coffers, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics.


Pro-union Demonstrators in New Hampshire (AP photo) While that pales in comparison to the almost $14 million that Democrats have received from unions this time around, the shift is noteworthy. That’s particularly true given that Democrats are fighting for pieces of a shrinking pie. Total donations from labor groups have dropped 26 percent from four years ago, according to Reuters and the CRP.

Union leaders say Democrats better not take them for granted. “I’m not an ATM machine for anybody,” Vincent Panvini, director of governmental affairs at the Sheet Metal Workers International Association, told Politico.

“My members donate their money voluntarily, . . . and we support the people who support us to create jobs, protect their pensions, make sure they work on safe and healthy job sites, and that’s where you go from. That’s why we’re seeing more money going to these moderate Republicans who are putting their necks out against their own party and helping us, and that’s the bottom line.”

Union leaders were particularly grateful to Republicans who helped keep several anti-union provisions off spending bills during the summer.

“When [Republicans] go against their own leadership and support you, you should support them,” Panvini said. “After 2010, you had these tea party people who probably just hate unions, they don’t know [anything] about unions but they hate unions. So you had a group of moderate Republicans really coming to bat.”

Building trade and transportation unions have been particularly generous to Republicans. The National Air Traffic Controllers Association has allocated 45 percent of its donations to Republican candidates this cycle, more than doubling from 17 percent in 2010. The Laborers’ International Union of North America PAC has forked over 24 percent of its contributions to GOP candidates, eight times the 3 percent total for 2010.

Unions have been generous to Republicans who have voted in their favor for years, such as Reps. Steve LaTourette of Ohio, Frank LoBiondo of New Jersey, and Jo Ann Emerson of Missouri. LaTourette and LoBiondo place third and fourth, respectively, on the list of recipients from transportation union PACs, according to the CRP.

The Sheet Metal Workers’ PAC has donated almost $50,000 this year to Republicans, including Reps. Michael Grimm of New York, David McKinley of West Virginia, and Jon Runyan of New Jersey.

Unions are particularly eager to ingratiate themselves with freshmen, who represent Congress’ future after all.

“For the House Republicans in particular, given the 2010 elections, it was important for the building trades department and for our affiliate unions to go out there and introduce ourselves, explain who we are, what we’re about and be, I think, proactive in building those relationships,” Chip Gardiner, director of government affairs at AFL-CIO’s building and construction trades department, told Politico.

© 2012 Newsmax. All rights reserved.



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And someone do a check of how many DEMS and REPS have been put in jail or been in trouble for fraud and corrupt events...

probably would come out even ......so , that ends the democracy of a two party system...in fact tell me what party is squeaky clean...

NOTTA
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And someone do a check of how many DEMS and REPS have been put in jail or been in trouble for fraud and corrupt events...

probably would come out even ......so , that ends the democracy of a two party system...in fact tell me what party is squeaky clean...

NOTTA


I think you need to study Civics  101.   Having a democracy does not guarantee that an elected official will not end up in jail or have some kind of "corrupt event".  

Having said that, I still believe that having AT LEAST 2 viable political parties is essential.  More parties would be even better.    However, I believe that in New York State the minor parties are essentially a joke.  They are used or use the two major parties for their leaders own agendas but not necessarily for an ideological agenda.    The quickest way to solve that problem would be to NOT allow minor parties to endorse candidates from other parties.   Parties should only be able to endorse a person or persons who are registered members of the party.  That way the minor parties -- and the two major parties -- would have to stand up ALONE on their own and face the voters straightforwardly and honestly.    

The state should also make it easier for person(s) who don't belong to any party or who can't get the endorsement of any formal party to become candidate(s) on the ballot.    It is too easy for the entrenched party leaders to knock off potential challengers and thus thwart REAL democracy.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
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