Want to see what the problem is... Watch the video.
It's clear that the point of Wisconsin's voter ID law isn't to prevent fraud (which almost never happens) the point is to limit access to the voting booth... the Republican plan to win in November in Wisconsin, Florida, Pennsylvania, and many more.
It's Called Voter Suppression...
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Give me a break, please. Why should the DMV employee ask people what the application is for? The applicant needs to read ALL the questions on the application and answer them, there obviously was a box indicate that it was for voter ID only. Tough beans if you to take responsibility for reading the questions. Come on, mama can't take you by the hand and do everything for you. And if this was for a voting ID, the applicant clearly had to. WHY was mama there? Another mama's boy? An adult, a grown man who couldn't do something for himself?
You need government ID to open a bank account, to cash a check, to buy cigarettes, alcohol, etc. No excuse for anyone to not have an ID.
Guess minorities never got a job. I mean, if they are working they had to fill out an I-9 and government ID is required for that.
Guess the elderly do not cash social security checks, they need government ID to cash a check, try going to a bank or a store and try to cash a check without ID.
Go to a doctor and you must show ID the first time (they need to be assured that you are the person on the health insurance card as opposed to you using the person's name after finding the card on the street or something.
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Apparently mike or christine thinks that the homeless do not have the right to vote... or a high school student who doesn't drive or lost his drivers license... or a hundred other situations.
People who now can vote, will be kept from voting IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR. (If this were an off year election, the GOP wouldn't bother to suppress the vote this way)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Apparently mike or christine thinks that the homeless do not have the right to vote... or a high school student who doesn't drive or lost his drivers license... or a hundred other situations.
People who now can vote, will be kept from voting IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR. (If this were an off year election, the GOP wouldn't bother to suppress the vote this way)
Why not have voter ID registration booths in more than once location? Besides DMV, social services and a designated homeless shelter would be a good start. The technology is there to do it VERY inexpensively. Throwing up your hands is no excuse not to have verifiable system,.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Why not have voter ID registration booths in more than once location? Besides DMV, social services and a designated homeless shelter would be a good start. The technology is there to do it VERY inexpensively. Throwing up your hands is no excuse not to have verifiable system,.
I agree. Voter registration should be an easy process... as it always was. Every post office should open an express window for the purpose of Voter ID. As you can see when done at the DMV, and done by people who don't know the answers to a simple question the process is a multi-step ordeal. The homeless, the very old, the disabled, teenage students... are the targets of this voter suppression drive. So far, it's been very successful.
To start a voter ID law NEXT YEAR... after a presidential election would seem to be the better choice.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
And in what precinct would a "homeless" person vote? They could easily move one block/sideway away and be in a different town/jurisdiction/precinct. What's to stop them from voting on one block now, and another later? What are the chances that "homeless" person is going to be in the same block a year or two years from now for the next election?
Homeless shouldn't be allowed to vote in any local or state election, period, they're "homeless" - which, much like renters in a school district, should have NO say in local politics, they're too transient.
The only one this can benefit is someone running for national office - and since you can't (currently) allow a person to vote for federal and not local elections, there's really no point.
Yes - I'm advocating NOT allowing truly "homeless" people to vote, unless they're in a shelter, at a fixed address, for one year or more - and anticipate staying there.
And in what precinct would a "homeless" person vote? They could easily move one block/sideway away and be in a different town/jurisdiction/precinct. What's to stop them from voting on one block now, and another later? What are the chances that "homeless" person is going to be in the same block a year or two years from now for the next election? Homeless shouldn't be allowed to vote in any local or state election, period, they're "homeless" - which, much like renters in a school district, should have NO say in local politics, they're too transient. The only one this can benefit is someone running for national office - and since you can't (currently) allow a person to vote for federal and not local elections, there's really no point. Yes - I'm advocating NOT allowing truly "homeless" people to vote, unless they're in a shelter, at a fixed address, for one year or more - and anticipate staying there.
HEY CICERO... I FOUND SOME FASCISTS FOR YOU!!!
"Homeless shouldn't be allowed to vote in any local or state election, period," and "much like renters in a school district, should have NO say in local politics,"
Going back to the early days of our country, when only land owners could vote... Rusty would fit right in. It's called "Govt by the Rich and Powerful"... common folk need not apply.
Can you imagine a renter, who's lived in the same home for 20 years, and with kids in a school district, not being allowed a voice in the operation of his kids school district.
Republicans are desperate to win this election... and if they have to rely on the talents of Mitt Romney they'll lose... Hence the Voter ID/Voter Suppression drive by the GOP.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I agree. Voter registration should be an easy process... as it always was. Every post office should open an express window for the purpose of Voter ID. As you can see when done at the DMV, and done by people who don't know the answers to a simple question the process is a multi-step ordeal. The homeless, the very old, the disabled, teenage students... are the targets of this voter suppression drive. So far, it's been very successful.
To start a voter ID law NEXT YEAR... after a presidential election would seem to be the better choice.
Box, "teenage students" are not old enough to vote. Adults age 18 an over are eligible. The question is WHY would an 18 year old NOT have a government ID????? If an 18 year old gets a job, he or she MUST provide government ID as part of the I-9. If he gets a check whether from a job or a gift, he needs to cash the check, he must do that at a bank. In order to cash a check at a bank you must have a government ID with photo. If you go to a store to cash a check you must provide government ID with photo. If an 18 year old wants to buy one $1 scratch off lottery ticket, he must show government ID with photo. Applying for college and/or for a student loan, he must show government ID with photo.
If you are a minority, and elderly person, an adult (meaning 18 years and older), OR a person OF ANY AGE, in order to get a REPLACEMENT Social Security card, here is what you need:
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Replace a Social Security card for an adult
Updated 07/19/2012 09:38 AM | ID# 251 How do I replace my Social Security card?
To get a replacement card:
Step 1: Gather documents proving your: •Identity •U.S. citizenship if you have not established your citizenship with us •Immigration status if you are not a U.S. citizen
Step 2: Complete an Application for a Social Security Card
Now, the bullet for identity is as follows:
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We can accept only certain documents as proof of identity. An acceptable document must be current (not expired) and show your name, identifying information (date of birth or age) and preferably a recent photograph. A birth certificate is not a form of identification. As proof of identity, Social Security must see one of the following primary evidence documents: •U.S. driver's license •U.S. State-issued non-driver identification card •U.S. passport
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Important
All documents submitted must be either originals or copies certified by the issuing agency. We cannot accept photocopies or notarized copies of documents.
Get a certified copy of a document showing a birth, marriage or divorce that took place in the U.S.
In fact, a treasurer (or appropriate officer) of an organization, opening a bank account for the organization, such as a bowling league, a little league, a school club to deposit funds raised for the prom, etc, the person who will goes to the bank to open the account for that purpose must provide their own personal identification, ie., government issued and unexpired.
So I guess that 18 year old teenagers, minorities, and the elderly have never engaged in fun activities, they have not gone to college, they have not taken out a student loan, they do not have jobs, they don't get Soc Sec or SSI benefits, they don't get public assistance, they don't rent an apartment (they don't have income from job, SS or welfare in order to pay the rent), etc, right?
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Box, "teenage students" are not old enough to vote. Adults age 18 an over are eligible.
REALLY? OMG! (Get our your calculator)
A child born in 1994, who's birthday is November 1st, and entered kindergarten in 1999, (as is legal in many states) would be 18 years old this election day. He also would be a senior in high school (if he stayed back any year or delayed kindergarten he might be 19).
Are you serious??? 18 year old Teenagers in high school can't vote???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A child born in 1994, who's birthday is November 1st, and entered kindergarten in 1999, (as is legal in many states) would be 18 years old this election day. He also would be a senior in high school (if he stayed back any year or delayed kindergarten he might be 19).
Are you serious??? 18 year old Teenagers in high school can't vote???
Upon turning age 18, you become an adult (even if you are mama's boy living in a "mama's" house as someone we know), even if you were kept back for a year in school. You can be 50 and still be a "student" but you are still an adult.
Again, how to all these categories of people live and support themselves without a government-issued ID?
How do people get a job without govt issued ID?
How do they cash their pay check without govt issued ID?
How do they get even a replacement social security card?
How do they take out a loan?
How do they apply for Soc Sec or SSI or welfare without govt ID?
How do they obtain credit without an ID?
How do they buy a lottery ticket without an ID (well, most places will say if they look under 30 or 40).
How do they buy prescriptions without an ID (even over the counter REQUIRES govt issued ID).
Can you answer these above questions?
Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Upon turning age 18, you become an adult (even if you are mama's boy living in a "mama's" house as someone we know), even if you were kept back for a year in school. You can be 50 and still be a "student" but you are still an adult.
So by this post I assume you are retracting your post:
Box, "teenage students" are not old enough to vote. Adults age 18 an over are eligible.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Again, how to all these categories of people live and support themselves without a government-issued ID? How do people get a job without govt issued ID? How do they cash their pay check without govt issued ID? How do they get even a replacement social security card? How do they take out a loan? How do they apply for Soc Sec or SSI or welfare without govt ID? How do they obtain credit without an ID? How do they buy a lottery ticket without an ID (well, most places will say if they look under 30 or 40). How do they buy prescriptions without an ID (even over the counter REQUIRES govt issued ID).
Can you answer these above questions?
Yes I can answer almost all of them in one sentence: Some people don't do most of the above... but they are American Citizens and have a R I G H T to vote.
I knew a man who was born in this country of illegal immigrant parents. His parents owned their own business They had several kids who all but one went to college. They paid their taxes but took almost nothing from the system. No SS, No welfare. They used a social security number of a dead person, and never collected SS They took out loans from relatives... often overseas. They did have health insurance for themselves and their employees.
They functioned in this country illegally for most of their lives.
To the point... when the son (who I knew) wanted to get an ID, he had nothing but a birth certificate, but was afraid to use it because he didn't want to lead to his illegal parents. He did however vote, in every election as is his right as an American citizen.
You assume that no one can survive in America with out having an ID. His parents survived and prospered for most of their life with out most of what you asked for in your list above.
The homeless also survive in America... and their right to vote is just as sacred as yours or mine. 60,000 veterans are now believed to be homeless, according to Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki . Do you want to just eliminate their right to vote? Do you think that your right to vote is more important than theirs???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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