Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
"Under God" approved in Pledge in Mass.
Rotterdam NY...the people's voice    Rotterdam's Virtual Internet Community    ....And In The Rest Of The Country  ›  "Under God" approved in Pledge in Mass. Moderators: Admin
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 96 Guests

"Under God" approved in Pledge in Mass.  This thread currently has 1,938 views. |
2 Pages 1 2 » Recommend Thread
rampage
June 13, 2012, 7:48am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
1,773
Reputation
70.00%
Reputation Score
+7 / -3
Time Online
61 days 1 hours 26 minutes
http://www.boston.com/metrodes.....6ZHKIRupN/story.html


Quoted Text
Superior Court judge affirms use of Pledge of Allegiance ‘under God’ in Mass. schools
6/11/2012 4:34 PM

By Martin Finucane and John R. Ellement, Globe Staff


A Middlesex Superior Court judge has rejected a lawsuit by an atheist couple and their children who sued the Acton-Boxborough Regional School District and the Acton schools challenging the use of the words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Judge S. Jane Haggerty, in a ruling released Friday, said the daily recitation of the pledge with those words did not violate the plaintiffs’ rights under the Massachusetts Constitution, did not violate the school district’s antidiscrimination policy, and did not violate state law.

The plaintiffs, while acknowledging that the children had the right to refuse to participate in the pledge, asserted that the phrase “under God” was a “religious truth” that contradicted their beliefs, Haggerty said.

The defendants argued that the pledge, rather than a religious document or ceremony, is a patriotic exercise and statement of political philosophy, according to the ruling.

The judge observed that the case presents a “familiar dilemma in our pluralistic society — how to balance conflicting interests when one group wants to do something for patriotic reasons that another group finds offensive to its religious (or atheistic) beliefs.”

The judge ruled in her 24-page opinion that the phrase “under God” was not a religious truth.

Citing previous opinions, she said that the daily flag salute and pledge in schools are “clearly designed to inculcate patriotism and to instill a recognition of the blessings conferred by orderly government under the constitutions of the state and nation.”

“The Pledge is a voluntary patriotic exercise, and the inclusion of the phrase ‘under God’ does not convert the exercise into a prayer,” she wrote.

“As recently as 2002, Congress reaffirmed the terms of the Pledge,” she noted, “making findings that support the conclusion that including the phrase ‘under God’ did not transform the Pledge into a religious exercise but rather was intended to reflect the history and political philosophy of the United States.”

Also named as a defendant in the case was Stephen E. Mills, superintendent of both the Acton-Boxborough regional and Acton public school systems.

Mills on Monday released a copy of the memo he sent to the school committee detailing Haggerty’s ruling in favor of the existing practice.

“The court upheld the school district’s longstanding practice of leading children in the Pledge of Allegiance, which is also required under our state law,’’ Mills wrote.

“The school districts have maintained throughout this lawsuit that we have not engaged in unlawful discrimination against its students, specifically with respect to their religious beliefs as was alleged in this case,’’ Mills wrote.

Mills added that “we are pleased with the court’s decision regarding the claim of discrimination and we continue to work hard to provide a positive and accepting educational environment for all of the students in the communities that we serve.’’

The names of the children and their parents who brought the lawsuit were not disclosed in court papers, but they were represented by Fitchburg attorney David Niose on behalf of the American Humanist Association.

Niose is also president of the association, and he promised on the association’s website to appeal Haggerty’s ruling.

“If conducting a daily classroom exercise that marginalizes one religious group while exalting another does not violate basic principles of equal rights and nondiscrimination, then I don’t know what does,’’ he wrote.

During the litigation, Daniel and Ingrid Joyce stepped forward on behalf of their two children to defend the inclusion of the words “under God’’ with the support of the Catholic fraternal organization, the Knights of Columbus (which campaigned in the early 1950s to get the words “under God” inserted into the pledge) and the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty.

“This is a great victory for everyone who believes that human rights come not from the whim of the government, but from a higher power, which is what the Pledge proclaims,” Diana Verm, legal counsel of the Becket Fund wrote on the fund’s website.

The fund reported on its site that the Acton-Boxborough litigation was the fourth major lawsuit targeting the phrase “under God’’ in the pledge and is also the fourth time that courts have ruled in favor of retaining the phrase.


Reignite Rotterdam
c/o MARY L. FAHY


Kidney Wheels, (800) 999-9697
http://www.HealthyKidneys.org


Logged Offline
Private Message
Box A Rox
June 13, 2012, 7:53am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
25,926
Reputation
58.62%
Reputation Score
+17 / -12
Time Online
514 days 11 hours 54 minutes
The Pledge didn't always contain the phrase "UNDER GOD"... that was added in my lifetime.  Religious zealots once
again forced the rest of us to abide by their view.
For zealots, the term "Freedom of Religion" seems to mean the freedom to force their religious beliefs on others.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 1 - 17
rampage
June 13, 2012, 7:58am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
1,773
Reputation
70.00%
Reputation Score
+7 / -3
Time Online
61 days 1 hours 26 minutes
Quoted from Box A Rox
The Pledge didn't always contain the phrase "UNDER GOD"... that was added in my lifetime.  Religious zealots once
again forced the rest of us to abide by their view.
For zealots, the term "Freedom of Religion" seems to mean the freedom to force their religious beliefs on others.


True.  It was pushed in there by the Catholics (see the story, paragraph added below)

Quoted Text
During the litigation, Daniel and Ingrid Joyce stepped forward on behalf of their two children to defend the inclusion of the words “under God’’ with the support of the Catholic fraternal organization, the Knights of Columbus (which campaigned in the early 1950s to get the words “under God” inserted into the pledge) and the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty.


I do believe, however, that this federation was built as a Christian nation from the beginning, but the freedom is there for any and all to believe what they wish.  They can say the pledge or not, or they can leave out the words they disagree with, such as I do (with "One Nation" and "Indivisible," since neither are true).


Reignite Rotterdam
c/o MARY L. FAHY


Kidney Wheels, (800) 999-9697
http://www.HealthyKidneys.org


Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 2 - 17
bumblethru
June 13, 2012, 8:03am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
30,841
Reputation
78.26%
Reputation Score
+36 / -10
Time Online
412 days 18 hours 59 minutes
This is the way it's suppose to work.......STATE'S DECIDE according to their state residences! Not the feds coming in and placingmandate upon mandate on independent states!!!

Agree with the decision or not.......THE STATES DECIDE!! And they did and that's how the system was set up to work!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
Logged
Private Message Reply: 3 - 17
MobileTerminal
June 13, 2012, 8:08am Report to Moderator
Guest User
In 1954, lobbying by the Knights of Columbus helped convince the U.S. Congress to add the phrase "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. President Dwight Eisenhower wrote to Supreme Knight Luke E. Hart thanking the Knights for their "part in the movement to have the words 'under God' added to our Pledge of Allegiance."
Logged
E-mail Reply: 4 - 17
Box A Rox
June 13, 2012, 8:32am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
25,926
Reputation
58.62%
Reputation Score
+17 / -12
Time Online
514 days 11 hours 54 minutes
Quoted from 147
In 1954, lobbying by the Knights of Columbus helped convince the U.S. Congress to add the phrase "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. President Dwight Eisenhower wrote to Supreme Knight Luke E. Hart thanking the Knights for their "part in the movement to have the words 'under God' added to our Pledge of Allegiance."


And Ike ran for reelection in 1956... Of course Ike included Under God... he could have also added MOM and
APPLE PIE... to get votes.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 5 - 17
bumblethru
June 13, 2012, 11:34am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
30,841
Reputation
78.26%
Reputation Score
+36 / -10
Time Online
412 days 18 hours 59 minutes
IT'S UP TO THE STATES!!!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
Logged
Private Message Reply: 6 - 17
MobileTerminal
June 13, 2012, 12:41pm Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from bumblethru
IT'S UP TO THE STATES!!!!!


Normally, I'd agree, but this is a national anthem ... each "state" is part of the nation.
Logged
E-mail Reply: 7 - 17
rampage
June 13, 2012, 2:05pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
1,773
Reputation
70.00%
Reputation Score
+7 / -3
Time Online
61 days 1 hours 26 minutes
Quoted from 147


Normally, I'd agree, but this is a national anthem ... each "state" is part of the nation.


Only problem with your argument is WE'RE NOT A NATION, we're a REPUBLIC.


Reignite Rotterdam
c/o MARY L. FAHY


Kidney Wheels, (800) 999-9697
http://www.HealthyKidneys.org


Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 8 - 17
MobileTerminal
June 13, 2012, 3:41pm Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from rampage


Only problem with your argument is WE'RE NOT A NATION, we're a REPUBLIC.


I believe you're wrong on this one.  We are a Nation, AND a Republic.

We are a nation, the third largest nation in the world (land wise).  One Nation, under God ..

Check Wikipedia and the dictionary - both refer to the United States as "a nation"

What logic or what proof do you have that says the United States is NOT a Nation?
Logged
E-mail Reply: 9 - 17
Libertarian4life
June 13, 2012, 3:49pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
7,356
Reputation
50.00%
Reputation Score
+12 / -12
Time Online
119 days 21 hours 10 minutes
Quoted from 147


One Nation, under God ..



Exactly, a state can't be claiming one nation under God.

They can't speak for the entire nation.

Logged
Private Message Reply: 10 - 17
A Better Rotterdam
June 13, 2012, 6:08pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
903
Reputation
60.00%
Reputation Score
+6 / -4
Time Online
38 days 7 hours 17 minutes
From now on, I will say, "one state, under god"
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 11 - 17
Libertarian4life
June 13, 2012, 6:20pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
7,356
Reputation
50.00%
Reputation Score
+12 / -12
Time Online
119 days 21 hours 10 minutes
Quoted from A Better Rotterdam
From now on, I will say, "one state, under god"


Thank you.

Logged
Private Message Reply: 12 - 17
CICERO
June 13, 2012, 6:27pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
18,232
Reputation
68.00%
Reputation Score
+17 / -8
Time Online
702 days 15 hours 7 minutes
Why are children required to sit though a pledge of allegiance in public skool?  It is the equivalent of sitting through the Our Father at Sunday morning mass.  

Public school is the civil religion of America.  The patron saints we are forced to recognize are political leaders, along with national days of remembrance. Religion is no longer the common bond of the community, it has been replaced by nationalism.

2013 Federal Holidays
Tuesday, January 1     New Year’s Day
Monday, January 21     Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr.
Monday, February 18*     Washington’s Birthday
Monday, May 27     Memorial Day
Thursday, July 4     Independence Day
Monday, September 2     Labor Day
Monday, October 14     Columbus Day
Monday, November 11     Veterans Day
Thursday, November 28     Thanksgiving Day
Wednesday, December 25     Christmas Day


Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 13 - 17
MobileTerminal
June 13, 2012, 6:33pm Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from A Better Rotterdam
From now on, I will say, "one state, under god"


Well, it aint NY - this state is God forsaken
Logged
E-mail Reply: 14 - 17
2 Pages 1 2 » Recommend Thread
|


Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread