[b][/b][color=green][/color]The following paragraph is an excerpt from PEARL HARBOR CHRISTMAS, page 25, A World At War, December 1941 written by Stanley Weintraub.
Long warned not to send Christmas cards, as Nazism was in effect the new religion of the Reich, Germans were now forbidden to waste valuable paper by sending New Year's cards, which had become a covert substitute. A minister of information and czar of public communications, Joseph Goebbels had already forbidden radio stations to play traditional Christmas hymns, with "O Tannenbaum" excepted, as it words made no reference to the holidays. Small tabletop Christmas trees had been a tradition for more than two hundreed years, but trees were scarce, and their decorations - even with rationed candles - would create suspicion.
We are not quite there in America but we got the czars. Christmas been attacked for decades. Who can deny that Barack Obama is not 'god like' (new religion) in some people's mind?
Yes We Can What??? Once we got GWB out of the way...
"Yes We Can" Kill Osama BinLaden!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I am NOT a GWB fan, but GWB started most of the work and operations that lead to the death as Osama.
GWB's CIA chief when Obama took office said in 2009... the last time I knew of Bin Laden's location was in Tora Bora in 2001.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
GWB's CIA chief when Obama took office said in 2009... the last time I knew of Bin Laden's location was in Tora Bora in 2001.
That still to me doesn't say that bush didn't have a role, it says they didn't know where he was. Keep in my i think that Bush was a joke as a president. Just wish the current one was any better.
Osama bin Laden killed: CIA admits waterboarding yielded vital information Leon Panetta, the CIA director, has confirmed that controversial "enhanced interrogation techniques" such as waterboarding yielded some of the intelligence information that ultimately led to Osama bin Laden.
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I don't spell check! Sorry... If you include "No offense" in a statement, chances are, your statement is offensive.
Senate Intel Chair: Torture Did Not Lead To Bin Laden In Any Way
More and more evidence suggests a key piece of intelligence — the first link in the chain of information that led U.S. intelligence officials to Osama bin Laden — wasn’t tortured out of its source. And, indeed, that torture actually failed to produce it.
“To the best of our knowledge, based on a look, none of it came as a result of harsh interrogation practices,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee in a wide-ranging press conference.
Moreover, Feinstein added, nothing about the sequence of events that culminated in Sunday’s raid vindicates the Bush-era techniques, nor their use of black sites — secret prisons, operated by the CIA.
“Absolutely not, I do not,” Feinstein said. “I happen to know a good deal about how those interrogations were conducted, and in my view nothing justifies the kind of procedures that were used.”
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Torture Failed... Standard Interrogation Succeeded!
The difference in the reports is an assumption by Conservatives who backed Bush and torture that their torture interrogations succeeded... In fact, torture failed.
The Details:
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One courier in particular had our constant attention. Detainees gave us his nom de guerre or his nickname and identified him as both a protégé of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of September 11th, and a trusted assistant of Abu Faraj al-Libbi, the former number three of al Qaeda who was captured in 2005. Detainees also identified this man as one of the few al Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden. They indicated he might be living with and protecting bin Laden. But for years, we were unable to identify his true name or his location.
Four years ago, we uncovered his identity….
But then the AP updated the story yet again, adding this crucial detail.
Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic. Thus, a big chunk of the rationale for giving the Bush credit for bin Laden’s death falls apart. It took officials until Obama’s presidency to locate this courier, and well into Obama’s second year in office before they found the compound. Only then was the raid itself designed and, on Sunday, implemented.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Ex-CIA chief Rodriguez defends waterboarding of al Qaeda leader
Credit: CBS 60 Minutes
by CBS News
Posted on April 27, 2012 at 2:05 PM
Jose Rodriguez has no regrets about using the "enhanced interrogation techniques" - methods that some consider torture -- on al Qaeda detainees questioned after 9/11 and denies charges they didn't work. The former head of the CIA's Clandestine Service talks to Lesley Stahl about those methods, including waterboarding, for the first time and defends their use - even comparing them to the current policy of killing al Qaeda leaders with drone strikes. The Rodriguez interview will be broadcast on 60 Minutes Sunday, April 29 at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
Rodriguez says everything his interrogators did to top-level terrorists like Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah was legal and effective. "We made some al Qaeda terrorists with American blood on their hands uncomfortable for a few days," he tells Stahl. "I am very secure in what we did and am very confident that what we did saved American lives," says Rodriguez, who has written a book on the subject called "Hard Measures."
Pressed by Stahl about charges that Zubaydah, who was waterboarded and sleep deprived, gave false information that wasted U.S. resources, Rodriguez replies, "Bull****!, He gave us a roadmap that allowed us to capture a bunch of al Qaeda senior leaders," says the ex-spy.
Rodriguez says the interrogation program, which also included stress positions, nudity and "insult slaps," was "about instilling a sense of hopelessness...despair...so that he [the detainee] would conclude on his own that he was better off cooperating with us." He says that even Khalid Sheik Mohammed, whom he termed "the toughest detainee we had," eventually gave up information.
KSM, as the mastermind of 9/11 was known, would not cooperate at first. "He eventually told us, 'I will talk once I get to New York and I get my lawyer,'" Rodriguez recalls. But KSM was subjected to the enhanced techniques, including waterboarding and sleep deprivation, and Rodriguez believes, "it was the cumulative effect of waterboarding and sleep deprivation and everything else that was done that eventually got to him."
"Former officials" "Senate Intelligence Committee" "Leon Panetta, the CIA director"
C'mon Vaedur, don't you know that in government speak A "Committee" + "Former Official" ALWAYS outwiegh the opinion of a "Agency Director". It's simple propaganda to confuse the masses in order to create a political advantage.
It's an election year. Obama SAVED THE WORLD SINGLE HANDED. All major cities would be on fire, there would be blood running in the streets, and people starving to death if it wasn't for Obama.
NO ONE was going to kill Osama (both parties included) until it 'fit well' into the conversation/rhetoric etc....DO WE REALLY THINK WE NEVER KNEW WHERE HE WAS? DO WE REALLY THINK WE DON'T LOVE HIS FAMILY AND THEIR $$$....
what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas....
SHOW ME THE $$ TRAIL.....
NEITHER PRESIDENT GETS THE MEDAL.....
THEY HAD THE TRIGGER PULLED WHEN THE TIME WAS RIGHT......
AMERICA IS THE WORLDS SPARTA......AND OUR SELECTIVE SERVICE MEMBERS ARE SPARTANS......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
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