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The US military is responsible to protect this country in times of war and aggression.  They are NOT
responsible for which wars we fight or whether we fight a war or not.



The point was...Why can selective service mandate and penalize you if you don't register?  But states cannot mandate the voters responsible for electing the person that will ultimately send the men and women to war be identified and validated by requiring identification?

That makes perfect sense.


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In response to both Vaedur and Tbird...
All Americans have a right to vote.  Those in the military are restricted from many political events, especially while
in uniform.  
To be clear... The US military has no say so about the USA going to war.  Military leaders are asked advice about
the military and logistics but are not involved in political choices, except in the event that those political choices
effect the war effort.

Civilians send our military to war.  Civilians (politicians) decide if there is to be a draft, the military has no say in
the matter.  Civilians decide if we continue to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan... the military's role is to carry out the
decisions of the President, Congress & Senate... all Civilians.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The US military has no say so about the USA going to war.  Military leaders are asked advice about
the military and logistics but are not involved in political choices, except in the event that those political choices
effect the war effort.

Civilians send our military to war.  Civilians (politicians) decide if there is to be a draft, the military has no say in
the matter.  Civilians decide if we continue to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan... the military's role is to carry out the
decisions of the President, Congress & Senate... all Civilians.


I would agree with you if our president wasn't also commander in chief.  That's like (in my opinion) saying that the HP doesn't make computers, it carries out the will of the CIO who makes the computers.  


I don't spell check!  Sorry...
If you include "No offense" in a statement, chances are, your statement is offensive.
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Civilians VOTERS (including the Military) send our military to war.  Civilians VOTERS (including the Military) (politicians) decide if there is to be a draft, the military has no say in
the matter.  Civilians VOTERS (including the Military) decide if we continue to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan... the military's role is to carry out the
decisions of the President, Congress & Senate... all Civilians Voters (including the Military).

Being in the Military is a government JOB. It does not restrict the right for members to vote as they choose.
You can rightfully argue that being in the Military restricts your right to express your views publicly. In reality, the VAST majority of fellow voters don't exercise that right either.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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I would agree with you if our president wasn't also commander in chief.  That's like (in my opinion) saying that the HP doesn't make computers, it carries out the will of the CIO who makes the computers.  


The President isn't in the Military.  He's the civilian commander of the Military, but not restricted by
military rules and regulations.  The president is the link between the Civilian American population and the
US military.

Once in the military, you still have the right to vote, but can be restricted from holding some public office,
or even participating in public political demonstrations.  

Again... the key provision... other than your one vote, the US Military has no voice on going to war.  



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Civilians send our military to war.  Civilians (politicians) decide if there is to be a draft, the military has no say in the matter.  Civilians decide if we continue to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan... the military's role is to carry out the decisions of the President, Congress & Senate... all Civilians.


What "civilians" decided to fly bombing mission over Libya?  What "civilians" decided to kill and American citizen in Yemen?  I don't recall my elected representative EVER voting to authorize those actions.  Please refresh my memory.  Our troops have been dying in unauthorized wars without the consent of their elected representative.

The mantra of the new revolution should be:

No Militarization without Representation.  


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1. What "civilians" decided to fly bombing mission over Libya?
2.  What "civilians" decided to kill and American citizen in Yemen?  I don't recall my elected representative
EVER voting

Answer:
The President of the USA.

  If you think his actions were illegal, then you have an obligation to our troops who serve your
sorry a$$ to do something about it.  Complaining on a Conservative message board doesn't count as
"doing something about it".



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Again... the key provision... other than your one vote, the US Military has no voice on going to war.  

But the troops do bare the same blame as the "civilian" for the leadership sending them to war correct?  Since they do vote.  

If you believe electing a war mongering president by simple majority is all America needs for consent of war, we are in trouble.  


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Answer:
The President of the USA.

  If you think his actions were illegal, then you have an obligation to our troops who serve your
sorry a$$ to do something about it.  Complaining on a Conservative message board doesn't count as
"doing something about it".


It isn't "complaining".  It's debating morons like you who haven't a clue.  

BTW...I am doing something about it.  Giving time and money to the Ron Paul campaign.  Because he GETS IT!


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Answer:
The President of the USA.

  If you think his actions were illegal, then you have an obligation to our troops who serve your
sorry a$$ to do something about it.  Complaining on a Conservative message board doesn't count as
"doing something about it".



once again, just because you're constantly butting heads with the the regular posters who happen to be conservatives, does not make this a conservative message board, so unless you've contacted the other 400 members who rarely post and determined the demographic here to truly be conservative you should probably refrain from calling this a "conservative message board", as it weakens your other statements and positions
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once again, just because you're constantly butting heads with the the regular posters who happen to be conservatives, does not make this a conservative message board, so unless you've contacted the other 400 members who rarely post and determined the demographic here to truly be conservative you should probably refrain from calling this a "conservative message board", as it weakens your other statements and positions


I have no scientific knowledge of the political make up of the board.
But
Any political issue that gets debated is overwhelmingly Conservative.  Others may hold other political
views, but they don't often profess them.  

My observation that this board is a "Conservative Board" is based on responses posted that I happen to
read.  I'm sure that there are other posters who never post their politics, or who's post I don't happen to
read.

I would guess that the majority of posts that are political in nature here, would be more Conservative
than not... hence... "A Conservative Board"!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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if the GOP is keeping elders from voting the DEMS are keeping the elders away from healthcare due to 'cost',,,,,I'm already seeing it in my line of work....

your value no longer is about what you personally have worked for(capitalism) but what the system thinks is the best bang for the taxpayer buck.....

you want to talk about voter suppression......how about just killing those piles of useless cells.....

now THAT'S choice.....

choice by they seathing body of the mass......called humans.....just a bunch of F'EN cells with no real order


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Rep. John Lewis Speaks Out Against GOP Voter Suppression



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Rep. John Lewis Speaks Out Against GOP Voter Suppression



If you wanted to watch his little spech live, would you need I.D to enter the Congress building?





"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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I see I have caused 'Suppression' of this argument with my factual statement.

No Boxy, Debbie Wasserman-Shultz (Siphilis Suzy) does not have a talking point for this retort. Nor does Media Matters/DU/KoS/




"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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