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Quoted from 1975


Thanks for reminding me, my dog registrations are about to expire.

They came in the mail yesterday from the town.





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More Republican Voter Fraud in Florida

Florida elections officials said that "at least 10 counties have identified suspicious and possibly
fraudulent voter registration forms turned in by a firm working for the Republican Party of Florida,"
the Los Angeles Times reports.

"The controversy in Florida -- which began with possibly fraudulent forms that first cropped up in
Palm Beach County -- has engulfed the Republican National Committee, which admitted Thursday
that it urged state parties in seven swing states to hire the firm, Strategic Allied Consulting.The
RNC paid the company at least $3.1 million -- routed through the state parties of Florida, Nevada,
Colorado, North Carolina and Virginia -- to register voters and run get-out-the-vote operations.
Wisconsin and Ohio had not yet paid the firm for get-out-the-vote operations it was contracted to do."

LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/news/po.....0928,0,7654954.story


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Per Box it's not voter fraud unless someone actually votes. The Reps also fired the company as soon as they found out unlike the Dems that try to cover it up. Remember Acorn.
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Per Box it's not voter fraud unless someone actually votes. The Reps also fired the company as soon as they found out unlike the Dems that try to cover it up. Remember Acorn.


Actually what they are talking about is ELECTION FRAUD, not VOTER FRAUD.
Voter fraud involves the voter, and is extremely rare.  This story is about Election Fraud, and is quite
common... as with the case in Troy last year.
Election fraud often involves absentee ballots that are legal, being miscounted or not counted at all,
usually by election officials.  

So back to VOTER FRAUD, and VOTER SUPPRESSION... All the Voter ID laws do almost nothing to
stop Election Fraud, but in many cases, as in Florida's Voter ID Law, these laws keep legal voters
from voting... called Voter Suppression.


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The agency is just as bad as Acorn for not folowing the rules and if they broke the law they should be prosecuted same as Acorn.
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The agency is just as bad as Acorn for not folowing the rules and if they broke the law they should be prosecuted same as Acorn.


ACORN was prosecuted and found innocent of any serious charge.


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    Kevin L. Clancy of Milwaukee pleaded guilty last week to participating “in a scheme to submit fraudulent voter registration applications,” according to Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen. Clancy admitted to filing multiple voter registration applications for the same individuals and registering himself and other voter registration canvassers to vote multiple times while working on an ACORN voter drive.

    Clancy received a 10-month prison term for his crime. Clancy’s sentence will begin when he completes another sentence he is currently serving for armed robbery.

ACORN is on a roll this year:

    In Milwaukee, former ACORN worker Maria L. Miles, who worked with Clancy, pleaded guilty to “falsely procuring voter registration.” She will be sentenced next month.

    Also in Milwaukee, Frank Edmund Walton was convicted of “falsely procuring voter registration.” According to Van Hollen, Walton solicited voter registrations while working for a group called the Community Voter Project. Court documents indicate that after committing the crime he became an ACORN employee. Walton will be sentenced in December.

    In Washington state, ex-ACORN canvasser Kendra Lynn Thill was convicted of voter registration fraud and given a 12-month deferred sentence.
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Rep. Cleaver is, shall we say, misinformed. According to a Justice Department fact sheet dated July 2, 2008, more than 140 individuals have been charged with election fraud offenses and more than a hundred have been convicted since the Attorney General’s Ballot Access and Voting initiative was launched in 2002. This is, in actuality, a fairly pathetic enforcement record.

On September 19, one day after being sued over a controversial ballot box citizenship question, Michigan Secretary of State, Ruth Johnson, said there were an estimated 4,000 non-citizens on its voter rolls of the estimated 305,000 non-citizens that live there. This is why Ms. Johnson is insisting that Michigan’s 7.34 million registered voters be asked to confirm they are citizens on Election Day in November.

The election outcome in 2000 had to be decided by the Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore and this initiated efforts to avoid a repeat by tightening voter laws to avoid all manner of fraud.

In their book, “Who’s Counting: How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk”, authors John Fund and Hans Von Spakovsky, say that “Election fraud, whether it’s phony voter registrations, illegal absentee ballots, vote-buying, shady recounts, or old-fashioned ballot-box stuffing, can be found in every part of the United States, although it is probably spreading because of the ever-so-close tight red state/blue state divisions that have polarized the country and created so many close elections of late.”

“In 2012, the voter rolls in many American cities include more names than the U.S. Census listed as the total number of residents over age 18. Philadelphia’s voter rolls, for instance, have increased dramatically as the city’s population has declined.”

In 2008, following the election of Barack Obama, ACORN which engaged in widespread voter fraud had its operatives indicted in fifteen States. “At least 54 individuals who worked for ACORN have been convicted of voter fraud or related activities,” noted Fund and Von Spakovsky. It did not go unnoticed that ACORN had earlier hired Obama as a “community organizer.”
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  Rep. Cleaver is, shall we say, misinformed. According to a Justice Department fact sheet dated July 2, 2008, more than 140 individuals have been charged with election fraud offenses and more than a hundred have been convicted since the Attorney General’s Ballot Access and Voting initiative was launched in 2002. This is, in actuality, a fairly pathetic enforcement record.


  Kevin L. Clancy of Milwaukee pleaded guilty last week to participating “in a scheme to submit fraudulent voter registration applications,” according to Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen. Clancy admitted to filing multiple voter registration applications for the same individuals and registering himself and other voter registration canvassers to vote multiple times while working on an ACORN voter drive.


Those convicted of ELECTION FRAUD in the ACORN cases, were submitting fraudulent voter registrations,
to increase their Per Registration pay... (They would get paid by the number of registrations that they
submitted... Some made out to Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. )

As posted above, In Person Voter Fraud is extremely rare, the cases you posted were ELECTION FRAUD.
The GOP Voter ID Laws would not have stopped any of these crimes.


Election Fraud, not Voter Fraud.



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ACORN was prosecuted and found innocent of any serious charge. They went to jail so they must have done something serious.
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ACORN was prosecuted and found innocent of any serious charge. They went to jail so they must have done something serious.


Individuals scamming ACORN went to jail for Election fraud.  Registering fictitious people to get a fee from
ACORN.

ACORN committed no crimes.


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The people who were convicted were told to do what they did by Acorn officials and when they got caught Acorn threw them under the bus.
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election fraud can only happen when the voter has no solid RealID....feel safe and justified yet????

changing the wording/rhetoric removes us from the issue....

this is an arguement to get the plebs to 'agree' to RealID there by taking the so called election power from the hands of those
in charge of it.....HOWEVER, the implications of a RealID will render us UN-AMERICAN.....

pay attention to the diversion

RealID gives you:

real healthcare
real income
real status
real trade
real food
real water
real shelter
real vote
etc etc etc..........

be careful as to the true goal of the argument.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The Rockingham County Sheriff's office has arrested a Pennsylvania man and charged him
with attempting to throw away filled out voter registration forms.

Colin Small, 31 year old male from Phoenixville, PA has been charged with 8 felonies and 5 misdemeanors
in connection with the controversy.
He is employed by Pinpoint, a company that was hired by the Republican Party of Virginia to help with
voter registration.


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