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Quoted from Box A Rox

... instead... the shooter seems to be portrayed as the victim.


No, he's a suspect in an ongoing investigation.  The Sanford DA and SPD have no reason to believe Zimmerman is going to flee in the case there is evidence that shows he violated a law.  People want Zimmerman arrested for purely emotional reason.  They don't want justice they want retribution, regardless of facts, evidence, and the LAW.


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Everyone seems worried about Poor Zimmerman... THE SHOOTER, who killed an unarmed teenager, after
he perused Martin against advice from the police.
As you pointed out...  (no toxicology on Zimmerman, big mistake by SPD) the police seem less than
willing to do a complete investigation.

If race were not involved, and the same story happened in my community... I would expect the shooter to
be scorned after shooting an unarmed teen... instead... the shooter seems to be portrayed as the victim.



That's what should happen in our legal system when a person is accused. He is presumed innocent until proven guilty. The SPD are out of it now. It's up to the Feds and the state AG. The shooter being portrayed as a victim???? I guess you haven't seen the protests occurring around the clock. He has been portrayed as a 1st degree murderer , complete with Jailhouse photo, provided and pimped by the press.
If the victim and shooter were the same race, it would have never reached the national stage. But since the shooter is white/Hispanic and the victim is black, it is AUTOMATICALLY assumed that there was a racial bias involved. Funny, it never seems to be that way when the roles are reversed (white victim, black shooter).

As far as Zimmerman pursuing Martin, yes, I believe he should not have done that. But do you really believe that a 28 year old, slightly overweight man could keep pace with a 6' 3" 160lb 17 year old?
In fact, in the audio tape, he sure sounded way out of breath.


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If the roles were reversed and Trayvon shot Zimmerman out of self defense because Zimmerman was the attacker, you know Trayvon, his family, and his attorney would be standing behind the "stand your ground" law.

Like say - Trevor Dooley.

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Trayvon's Tweets the Daily Caller                                                                           

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT
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The tweets don't really mean much to me. The only thing they do is blow the family & Media image of Trayvon as an All American teenage football player out of the water,
The results of the investigation and whether there is sufficient evidence for charges is what I am interested in.


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The lefty hippie pot smoking crazy nut job liberals really need to take a breath here.

There are plenty of right hippie pot smoking crazy nut job right wingers.  They pop pills and drink to excess too.  People in your community and talk to every day and would have never known.  It's really not a lefty righty thing.  U just think of the dirty hippie image and figure they are using their rolling papers for food stamps.



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If you include "No offense" in a statement, chances are, your statement is offensive.
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Trayvon Martin and the Cult of Government Supremacy.

Nineteen days before Trayvon Martin was gunned down by self-appointed block “captain” George Zimmerman, Manuel Loggins was murdered by an Orange County Sheriff’s Deputy in the parking lot of San Clemente High School. Loggins, a deeply religious man, often visited the school to walk on the track and discuss the Bible with his daughters, who were with him on the morning he was murdered.

According to the most recent of several official versions of the incident, the Deputy was concerned by Loggins’ “irrational” behavior, which involved crashing through a gate and attempting to leave the scene. Even this rendering of the episode, however, doesn’t explain why a Deputy would shoot an unarmed man behind the wheel of an SUV containing two young girls.
  
The Deputy initially insisted that he “felt threatened” by Loggins. Within a day or so of the story becoming public, the story had undergone a critical revision:  The Sheriff’s Office claimed that Loggins had to be shot in the interests of “the perceived safety of the children.”

So zealous were the officers for the safety of two young girls who had just seen their father murdered in front of them that the department took them into custody held them incommunicado for thirteen hours while the official narrative was being worked out. In the words of the family’s attorney, “They just incarcerated them.”

Sgt. Loggins was black; his killer, Deputy Darren Sandberg, is white – and he’s back on patrol duty, without facing criminal charges or administrative punishment of any kind. His union, displaying its customary gift for arrogant self-preoccupation, insists Loggins was entirely to blame.

“It is heartbreaking that Manuel Loggins created a situation that put his children in danger and ultimately cost him his life,” oozed police union spokesperson Tom Dominguez. "It is unfortunate that his actions put his own children into immediate danger and resulted in his death."

Last November 19, 68-year-old retired Marine Kenneth Chamberlain, Sr. was slaughtered by police at his apartment in White Plains, New York. Chamberlain, an elderly man who suffered from a heart condition and several other ailments, was not a criminal suspect. He had inadvertently triggered a medical alert, which resulted in a visit by paramedics.  The police, unfortunately, responded as well, and they quickly displayed their infallible gift for making matters worse.

Chamberlain ordered the police to leave. That was a lawful order the police are required to obey. They didn’t. Instead, the dozen officers who had formed a thugscrum outside Chamberlain’s door taunted and mocked the elderly man, eventually breaking down the door and invading his home.

Once inside, the police were confronted by a terrified old man who – as documented in video recovered from a Taser – was clad in boxer shorts, with his hands at his side. This dreadful specter was enough to trigger the “Officer Safety” reflex – practically anything will – and the heroes in blue shot him with a Taser and a beanbag gun before gunning him down.

The original story was that Chamberlain “came at the officers” with a butcher knife and – I’m not kidding – a hatchet. His son points out that his father’s heart was so weak that he couldn’t walk more than forty feet without resting. The initial account is difficult to reconcile with the footage captured by the Taser and security cameras. Furthermore, even if the old man had lunged at the cops, they had the duty to retreat: They had no legal or moral right to be in the home, and Chamberlain had the legal and moral right to evict them by force.

Long after the incident, the police rationalized that the invasion was necessary because they weren’t sure whether “anybody else inside was in danger.” This is a matter that could have been cleared up through use of an obscure piece of technology called a telephone, a remarkable instrument that could have been used to contact either Mr. Chamberlain or his son, who didn’t live far away. But this would have deprived the armored adolescents on the police force of an opportunity to bust down a door and impose themselves on someone who couldn’t fight back.....

Police unions, the civilian disarmament lobby, and the state-centric media all subscribe to the idea that the government should have a monopoly on the use of force. This is why they oppose “stand your ground” and “castle doctrine” laws recognizing the individual right to armed self-defense.

Within six months we should see a plethora of bills -- supported by a coalition that includes the Brady Campaign and police unions -- bearing Trayvon Martin's name, all of which will seek the repeal of "Castle Doctrine" and "Stand Your Ground" self-defense laws.


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"Police Wanted Warrant To Arrest George Zimmerman"

The special prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case said that the Sanford Police Department asked
the state attorney's office for an arrest warrant to charge George Zimmerman early in the investigation,
but the state's attorney's office decided to wait.


The Miami Herald reported that the local police initially went to the Seminole State Attorney with a request
to file charges and the police report labeled the case as "homicide/negligent manslaughter."

"The state attorney impaneled a grand jury, but before anything else could be done, the governor stepped in and asked us to pick it up in mid-stream," Angela Corey, the special prosecutor on the case said.

Chris Serino, the lead detective on the case, expressed doubts around Zimmerman's account of the shooting,
according to ABC News. Serino filed an affidavit on the night of the shooting in which he said that he was
unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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"Police Wanted Warrant To Arrest George Zimmerman"

The special prosecutor in the Trayvon Martin case said that the Sanford Police Department asked
the state attorney's office for an arrest warrant to charge George Zimmerman early in the investigation,
but the state's attorney's office decided to wait.


The Miami Herald reported that the local police initially went to the Seminole State Attorney with a request
to file charges and the police report labeled the case as "homicide/negligent manslaughter."

"The state attorney impaneled a grand jury, but before anything else could be done, the governor stepped in and asked us to pick it up in mid-stream," Angela Corey, the special prosecutor on the case said.

Chris Serino, the lead detective on the case, expressed doubts around Zimmerman's account of the shooting,
according to ABC News. Serino filed an affidavit on the night of the shooting in which he said that he was
unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.


Once again , Box doesn't tell the entire story:

He had called police to report a suspicious person and said he was following Martin, despite being told by a dispatcher he didn't need to do so. Zimmerman has been questioned but not charged, police said, because they lacked evidence to contradict his account.

Martin's killing has touched a nerve across the nation, sparking calls for justice and Zimmerman's prosecution.

ABC News reported Wednesday, citing multiple sources, that the lead investigator in the case recommended Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter after the shooting, but the state attorney's office determined there was not enough evidence to lead to a conviction.

That's why something called an investigation is the rule of law, not Mob rule.


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Mob rule???  The "MOB", as you put it, didn't say a word for a MONTH!  Not exactly a rush to judgement!


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Mob rule???  The "MOB", as you put it, didn't say a word for a MONTH!  Not exactly a rush to judgement!


The Mob was informed after the national media got wind of it...and then professional race-baiters Sharpton and Jackson ran with it...of course aided by the press who continue to use the 3-7 year old pics of Zimmerman in prison orange, and Trayvon as a 13 year old in a football uniform.


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Mob rule???  The "MOB", as you put it, didn't say a word for a MONTH!  Not exactly a rush to judgement!


They waited because they didn't want to push the "war on women" from the national debate.  You're right, it wasn't a media "Rush" to judgement.  It was a judgement to Rush(Limbaugh that is).


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By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC)
March 28, 2012

A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who says he shot Martin after he was punched in the nose, knocked down and had his head slammed into the ground.

The surveillance video, which was obtained exclusively by ABC News, shows Zimmerman arriving in a police cruiser. As he exits the car, his hands are cuffed behind his back. Zimmerman is frisked and then led down a series of hallways, still cuffed.

Zimmerman, 28, is wearing a red and black fleece and his face and head are cleanly shaven. He appears well built, hardly the portly young man depicted in a 2005 mug shot that until a two days ago was the single image the media had of Zimmerman.

Police Video Surveillance of George Zimmerman

The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning.

His lawyer later insisted that Zimmerman's nose had been broken in his scuffle with 17-year-old Martin.

In the video an officer is seen pausing to look at the back of Zimmerman's head, but no abrasions or blood can be seen in the video and he did not check into the emergency room following the police questioning.    abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#
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So a black person's life is worth more then a whites?? There are white folks who are shot by cops every single day and there is NEVER this uncivil MOB RULE!!!

The liberal 'victim/race' card......ain't it grand?
People's lives, families and reputations ruined all in the name of politics!
And the stupid sheople fall for it every single time the crazy liberal lame stream media airs/prints it!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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So a black person's life is worth more then a whites?? There are white folks who are shot by cops every single day and there is NEVER this uncivil MOB RULE!!!


It's all part of the social justice.  If a peace officer killed trayvon the peace officer would be a hero, because we know a person wearing the government clown suit can kill with impunity if they feel threatened.


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