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Box A Rox
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Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, if we did that we could go to jail for 5 years. When Obama stood in front of the American people and told them if they like their doctors they could keep them, Health-Care Law had to be passed to save money, Seniors coverage wouldn't be effected, all bills would be posted for 5 days prior to being voted on, and not going to raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000. Obama's lies are going to cost the American people a lot more than 1 trillion dollars, it may cost some people their lives due to the inferior health care that they will be receiving in the future. How much money will it cost to cover all the illegal immigrants with health care? Who knows maybe in 10 years people will be chanting that Obama lied and grandma died.


You posted that Obama was a bigger liar than Clinton...
Clinton lied about a private sexual affair with Monica... Did anyone die as the result?
I asked, and you ignored, so I'll ask again:
You keep making these claims... a bigger liar??? Bigger than Clinton???

Did Clinton or Obama tell a series of lies to the American people about WMD's that ended up killing 4484 American
Patriots and cost the USA over $1trillion dollars???

Tell me what Clinton  lie is that big?  What Obama lie cost 4484 American lives and $1trillion dollars???



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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I said he lied not that anyone died, do you have a comprehension problem Box or by spinning to a different scenario you think you can defend your king.
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Clinton and GW Bush both agreed that Iraq had WMD's and they were both fed the same faulty intelligence. Many Dems in Congress at the time believed the same thing until it became a political liability to them and they changed their tune.
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Clinton and GW Bush both agreed that Iraq had WMD's and they were both fed the same faulty intelligence. Many Dems in Congress at the time believed the same thing until it became a political liability to them and they changed their tune.


Shadow... now you are doing it again.  Posting your opinion as if it were fact.

Bush didn't have faulty information... he had a vast array of information about the WMD's in Iraq.  Some that he knew
were from very unreliable sources (such as Curveball), and other information from reliable sources, like the weapons
inspectors who told Bush that there were no WMD's in Iraq.

Bush took the information that fit his agenda and discounted the information that didn't.  He then offered Congress
a White Paper summary of the information as if it was a valid assessment ,. that he knew to be a lie.

You condemn Clinton for a lie about a private sexual affair...
You condemn Obama about a difference in jobs numbers....

Yet you ignore one trillion dollars spent on a war based on LIES that killed 4484 Americans, and act as if it were
the nothing.

I'm done.  Post your opinions as if they were fact.  I don't care.


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Iraq: What Did Congress Know, And When?
November 19, 2005
Bush says Congress had the same (faulty) intelligence he did. Howard Dean says intelligence was "corrupted." We give facts.
Summary
The President says Democrats in Congress "had access to the same intelligence" he did before the Iraq war, but some Democrats deny it."That was not true," says Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean. "He withheld some intelligence. . . . The intelligence was corrupted."
Neither side is giving the whole story in this continuing dispute.

The President's main point is correct:  the CIA and most other US intelligence agencies believed before the war that Saddam had stocks of biological and chemical weapons, was actively working on nuclear weapons and "probably" would have a nuclear weapon before the end of this decade. That faulty intelligence was shared with Congress – along with multiple mentions of some doubts within the intelligence community – in a formal National Intelligence Estimate just prior to the Senate and House votes to authorize the use of force against Iraq.

No hard evidence has surfaced to support claims that Bush somehow manipulated the findings of intelligence analysts. In fact, two bipartisan investigations probed for such evidence and said they found none. So Dean's claim that intelligence was "corrupted"  is unsupported.

But while official investigators have found no evidence that Bush manipulated intelligence, they never took up the question of whether the President and his top aides manipulated the public, something Bush also denies.

In fact, before the war Bush and others often downplayed or omitted any mention of doubts about Saddam's nuclear program. They said Saddam might give chemical, biological or even nuclear weapons to terrorists, although their own intelligence experts said that was unlikely. Bush also repeatedly claimed Iraq had trained al Qaeda terrorists in the use of poison gas, a story doubted at the time by Pentagon intelligence analysts. The claim later was called a lie by the al Qaeda detainee who originally told it to his US interrogators.
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Actually you're right... It is!
With out the 'Bush Economic Meltdown', Obama's stimulus would have been unnecessary


it was coming even if Bush wasn't there and President Smith was......there was a 'pile up' of changes coming that everyone had a 'taste' that was coming ie: tech, boomers, globalization, etc .....

it was coming and those prior to Bush also knew it was.....the problem is that the crystal ball was cloudy......

the 'pay it forward' to the next generation via credit cards/mortgages/pensions/benefits/entitlements were never never never checked.....

apparently everyone thought the 'dough boy era' would continue to rule....why not? it worked for Mayberry/Archie Bunker/Maude/Mary Tyler Moore/Norma Rae etc etc.......

it was a black hole that was going to swallow up the past and crash the ship regardless of who was sitting in the oval office....why? because president's dont run the country ALONE.....

regardless of party they ALL eat at the same trough, and after participating in political office from the time they graduate college until they are 60years old....THEY LOOSE SIGHT
OF AN AMERICAN AND CONTINUE WITH BUSINESS AS USUAL.....someone still changes their bed linen for them.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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