While I'm happy that we looked into solutions for this intersection the cost by far outweighs the benefits. If we were talking about $100k, maybe, but 5-10 million!
While I'm happy that we looked into solutions for this intersection the cost by far outweighs the benefits. If we were talking about $100k, maybe, but 5-10 million!
5-10 million PLUS the destruction of 2 taxpaying businesses. This would be additional tax money that the residents / taxpayers will have to pay ad infinitum.
There are various traffic studies which PROVE the NEED for this improvement and that traffic is NOT flowing easily through 5 corners -- Once again you prove yourself FOOLISH and incompetent and WORSE -- NOT at ALL for a Better Rotterdam...... as your misleading name implies...... No doubt you are a Nattering Right - Wing BOOB.
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The only part of the entire 5 Corners intersection that I see actually needs improvement is possibly the intersection of Princetown and Mariaville Roads. Now, when this "successful dual roundabout" is installed, how will this affect traffic at the light at Curry Rd and N Wescott Rd?
You're just an idiot. There, I said what everybody else is just too kind to say. The fact is that Bumblethru (truthfully) stated that there is no issue AT 5 CORNERS. The fact is that there are many other places where traffic issues need to be addressed. I drive Rotterdam's Rush Hour every day (unlike someone who wakes up at 2 PM and turns on his computer in auntie's basement to chat on the local blog). I sit in the long line of cars that essentially runs the entire length that is Curry Road in Rotterdam from the I-890 bridge all the way to 5 Corners.
I know, you know better than all of us from sitting on your butt at home all day. The best way to build up the town is to destroy businesses, which I guess sort of makes sense, considering your constant approval of the Metroplex. Tell you what, we'll look at this more when and if you find the funding for the double circle and bring in that local business you said was going to be coming in... what did you say it was? Some high-class barbecue joint (if that's not an oxymoron, you're the second half of it...)?
BT is right, you're wrong, simple enough, sort of like your mind.
Thank you for passing your 'reading comprehension' class!
The problem is a combination of the 2 lane streets and the decades of poor planning!! But honestly, I can't even wrap my brain around the fact that rotterdamians think that 5 corners needs to be addressed! REALLY!! I would suggest that folks get out of rotterdam and/or schenectady county if they want to see 'real' traffic snarls.
$5-$10 MILLION DOLLARS????? OMG!! While they're at it, are they planning on replacing all of the water lines in that area that historically freeze and break every winter???
The problem with curry road in rotterdam is that it is a mix of residential/businesses on an underdeveloped 2 lane street for a poorly over developed town.
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Hamburg, 5-10 million is a ton of money for a town this size, can you please explain how this change would make this money back?
We don't need to know how the money would be made back, we only need to know how it would make the planners and the construction workers in the union feel when their pockets are lined with the money that they would get from this backroom deal. There is NO INCOME from anything like this, and it would be a perpetual money-loser, reducing the number of businesses in town again.
Hamburg, I don't think my question was disrespectfull or ill intentioned. I'm looking for a business case to spend 5-10 million dollars and I just don't see it and apparently by the tone of your response you can't make one.
You're just an idiot. There, I said what everybody else is just too kind to say. The fact is that Bumblethru (truthfully) stated that there is no issue AT 5 CORNERS. The fact is that there are many other places where traffic issues need to be addressed. I drive Rotterdam's Rush Hour every day (unlike someone who wakes up at 2 PM and turns on his computer in auntie's basement to chat on the local blog). I sit in the long line of cars that essentially runs the entire length that is Curry Road in Rotterdam from the I-890 bridge all the way to 5 Corners.
I know, you know better than all of us from sitting on your butt at home all day. The best way to build up the town is to destroy businesses, which I guess sort of makes sense, considering your constant approval of the Metroplex. Tell you what, we'll look at this more when and if you find the funding for the double circle and bring in that local business you said was going to be coming in... what did you say it was? Some high-class barbecue joint (if that's not an oxymoron, you're the second half of it...)?
BT is right, you're wrong, simple enough, sort of like your mind.
You like to call names and make up lies when you have NO FACTS to back up your statements.
The FACT is that there have been numerous traffic studies and there is ample evidence that 5 Corners has problems . The FACT that there are traffic issues at 5 Corners does not deny that there are traffic issues in other parts of the town and NOTHING that I have written stated or even remotely suggested that there were no traffic issues in other parts of the town.
BTW -- here is a simple statement of fact that you, Mertzie (Bumblethru) and the rest of the nayboobs should grow up and understand ------------------------- "The TRUTH is still the TRUTH even if a majority disagrees with it." You and Mertzie and the other critics can not deny the TRUTH ---- 5 Corners has had traffic issues since the 1950's (because that was when the town and the state DOT conducted the first study and made the first proposals to correct the problem) and there have been numerous studies conducted and plans for remediation drawn up since then. That is the TRUTH even if none of the nayboobs want to believe it or accept it ... IT SIMPLY IS THE TRUTH.
As for your comments about personal matters -- for thing you are completely ignorant of the facts and you know by now what I suggest that you can do with your attitude and your insults ....
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While I'm happy that we looked into solutions for this intersection the cost by far outweighs the benefits. If we were talking about $100k, maybe, but 5-10 million!
The town would not have to come up with 5-10 million ---- most would have to come from the State Department of Transportation .... with about a 10% from the town.
The wide range in the cost is dependent on the cost to purchase the two gas stations --- and the cost of removing fuel tanks and remediating the soil - if necessary. Every year that this project is delayed the cost will continue to increase and the problem will continue to get worse.
It should be also noted that the study included proposals for remediating traffic problems at 4 Corners and along Broadway near the town border with the city.
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First of all, the chance this will ever get done between now and 10 years from now is slim to none. And that basically means this study was a waste of time. Once the STATE gets the money and the time to do something like this, they're going to want another study done. Second of all, the state would pay the lion's share of this project(I know...it is still our tax dollars) if they did do a massive reconstruction there.
Actually what's even more interesting is that intersection is one in a state of flux. You have two massive changes that have or are about to happen in that side of town. The first is the relocation of Dunnsville Road and the looming construction over at Golub. While this may suggest more vehicle traffic, we've also seen a move of the HQ to downtown. Then you have Larned's apartment project, which will bring sewers to that side of town and possible spur development further down Duanesburg Road. So even if there we $10 million to piss away on a project like this, DOT probably wouldn't do it because the whole dynamic of the intersection could change in the very near future.
But for what it's worth(and this gets to the question of whether it would be worth it), the roundabout would clean up two contaminated and somewhat blighted properties(the gas stations). As planned, the project would also open up land that could be used for mix-use retail and would encourage pedestrian usage of the area.
In other words, your paying the money to be able to zip through the intersection faster. That's about it. But it'll never happen anyway so I don't even see much sense in discussing it.
I'll bet that if you check back when the 5 corners was created in the first place the current configuration was the result of some study too. Until the 2 lane roads are dealt with the dual round-a-bouts will only allow traffic to pass the 5 corners quicker and traffic will still back up on the 2 lane roads between the other intersections in the town.
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