Ok.......snowflakes are down....HALLELUJAH!!!!

Now let's see how long it takes to get the 'Christmas lights' off the Charlie Brown tree in front of the Rotterdam Senior Gossip Center!!!!!!!!!

Quoted from Patches

and there is no fire truck that has a bucket???

another expense....that is needless ???

Fire trucks are NOT town vehicles .. they actually belong to the particular volunteer fire department that purchased them.  Fire departments have ladder trucks -- I am not sure that any has a "bucket truck" like TW has.  

We don't know that TW charges the town or for sure that the TW truck was used to remove the decorations.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Fire trucks are NOT town vehicles .. they actually belong to the particular volunteer fire department that purchased them.  Fire departments have ladder trucks -- I am not sure that any has a "bucket truck" like TW has.  

We don't know that TW charges the town or for sure that the TW truck was used to remove the decorations.

Oh my god!   Totally DUMB DUMB DUMB!    DV, just shut up.  You do NOT own nor have ever owned property and so you do NOT pay taxes.  How STUPID for you to claim it's not government property because it's a volunteer fire dept!   FYI DV, the taxpyers DO PAY taxes for fire trucks, for the fire department!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    What the HELL do you think the fire depts do?   Have bake sales?!    We who are adults, we who are self supporting, we who do not live off relatives, we who have jobs and work hard, we who own our homes, we who pay taxes pay a fire district tax!!!!!

the cowardly liar doesn't understand that the fire trucks belong to the fire district and are NOT TOWN PROPERTY ...     DUMB -- DUMB -- DUMB  

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

the cowardly liar doesn't understand that the fire trucks belong to the fire district and are NOT TOWN PROPERTY ...     DUMB -- DUMB -- DUMB  

DUMB is you, DV.

We pay fire TAXES to the TOWN !!!!!!!!    If we do not pay those taxes, the TOWN, not the fire dept, that seizes our propety.    

It is not a charity.  

We do NOT pay user fees to the fire district.   We pay a TOWN FIRE DISTRICT TAX to the town.

I guess then the the thruway is property of the thruway and not state property, huh?   I guess you are going to say that the Tappan Zee bridge is not state propety because it's operated by the bridge authority, huh?  I guess the police cars in the town are not town property because they belong to the Rotterdam PD, huh?

We pay a TAX to the TOWN.   It is tax deductible as part of property tax deduction.   In order to be a property tax deduction it must be based on our assessment AND be used for government, i.e., TOWN services, equipment, etc.

A fire district is a SEPARATE legal entity from the municipality (in this case the town) -- the same way that a school district is a separate legal entity.  The property (fire trucks in this case) of the legal entity belongs to the legal entity.  

Mohonasen's school buses do NOT belong to the Town of Rotterdam even though taxpayers in the town pay taxes for the buses.  And consider the FACT that some fire districts are in more than one municipality --- Pine Grove is in 3 separate municipalities ---- based on the facetious and uninformed of the poster who argues otherwise .. to which town does Pine Grove's fire trucks belong ???

Further evidence to back up my point - when fire districts need town high department trucks to plow  on fire  district property .. they must make a request to the town and a contract has to be signed (subject to Town Board approval) between the town (one legal entity) and the fire district (the other legal entity) -----------------  precisely because the fire district's property is DISTINCT FROM  --- SEPARATE -- NOT OWNED by the town.

Pointing the finger at  no one in particular but at the group in general...
Sometimes this board makes first graders seem  mature.  

OMG....shut up DVOR.....you are a product of another planet..

Shifting the emphasis of the thread -- I think the new winter season decorations in town should be more colorful ---  preferably red and green or multi-colored.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Pointing the finger at  no one in particular but at the group in general...
Sometimes this board makes first graders seem  mature.  

Pointing the finger at  no one in particular.................there is always the option of ignoring individuals or leaving the board entirely if it seems less than mature..........just saying  

The town should also consider non-electric decorations .. perhaps seasonal banners.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

town (one legal entity) and the fire district (the other legal entity) -----------------  precisely because the fire district's property is DISTINCT FROM  --- SEPARATE -- NOT OWNED by the town.

DV, listewn. it is TAXES TAXES TAXES.   Taxes are paid to a government for NECESSARY services.

The snow flakes are NOT a necessary service to the town residents!!!!!!!!

Since you do not now, nor have you ever pakid property taxes, you have absolutely no clue whatsoever what kind of burden it is on the homeowners to pay high taxes.   Homeowners CASNNOT AFFORD THESE DAMN SNOWFLAKES!!!!!!

Explain to us DV, WHY these snowflakes are a necessity?   Virtually everyone likes to look at Christmas decorations, we can look for free by looking at how individuals decorate their own homes at their own expense.  

Let's have a civil discussion as you claim you want to.   Tell us, DV, if you think that the snowflakes are a necessary expense to be incurred by the taxpayers, then tell us DV, tell us what you think homeowners should cut back on in order to pay th etaxes to pay for the snowflakes.   Should homeowners skip taking medications in order to pay for the snowflakes?    In your opinion, should a homeowner skip the annual furnace cleaning and use the money to pay for the snowflakes?   Should homeonwers skip spending money on sealing their driveways just so snowflakes can be hung and lighted on Hamburg St and additional streets?   Should people skip having repairs made to their roof because you want snowflakes?  Perhaps elderly people should skip meals, huh, just to make sure they pay higher taxes to pay for the snowflakes or whatever decorations.

DV, it's time for you to grow up, move out on your own, live like an adult and experience the responsibility of supporting yourself.   Since you are roughly 50 yrs old it's time you act that age and experience what homeowners experience, you need to experience what it's like to support yourself, pay your own rent or mortgage, pay your own utility bills, your own insurance, your own property taxes, your own maintenance costs with owning a home, etc, and experience opening up your tax bill to see how it's gone up and experience how we look at the tax bills as we then are forced to cross off the words "foundation repair," or "new fence," or "replace garage door," etc off the list of things we need to do ---because the dems are spending money like it grows on trees.  The comments you post make me think of a little child in a grocery cart that sees the cookie cereal or the candy, etc and says to his mommy, " I want that" and his mother says no, and he repeats himself louder that he wants that, and his mother keeps saying "no" and he asks why and she tells him she can't afford it.  Or the parent who tells their son that they can't give him money to go to the movies and the son pouts and says "you got money!!!!!!    I wanna to!!!!!"

Listen....the 'snowflakes' aren't really the issue here so to say. They don't look 'too bad' and they do add a little small town flavor. They are already bought and paid for, so rotterdamians just have to deal with it.

HOWEVER......and if memory serves me correctly.....Tommasone was crucified for spending taxpayer's money to purchsase the 'flakes' for Hamburg Street.

Now putting these 'snowflakes' up a bit after Thanksgiving is kinda cute. But they clearly should have been taken down the first week of January!!! They shouldn't have been left out to blow in the wind, in the middle of January, with some lit and some not! It just looks soooo REDNECK....TACKY.....

As far as who puts them up and who takes them down??? How has that been handled historically?

And as a side note........I'm not a big fan of tommasone.......but it appears that rotterdam ran a bit smoother when he was the super.....just sayin. Ever since the tommasone administration(most of it)....rotterdam has been in chaos and declining!!!...again....just sayin.

I would prefer that the First Grade Nayboobs hang THEMSELVES from the utility poles......

Since the snowflakes are technically  WINTER decorations   (snowflakes = a symbol of winter .. for those of you who drink tea and support Ron Paul) ...  it wouldn't bother me if they had stayed up from December 1st to the end of February.

Now if they were more clearly HOLIDAY or CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS   ... lets say Christmas Trees or some other fairly obvious symbol of Christmas .. then I would prefer that they come down sometime after January 6   (although we do have some Russian Orthodox in town .. and Christmas for them is January 7 .. so take that into consideration).

Since it is the Town Department of Public Works employees who put up and take down the decorations -- and they do have a lot of work to do   ( .... and do it EXTREMELY WELL) ...  some consideration has to be given that the putting up and taking down of these decorations fit into their busy schedules.    Decorations are nice ... but they are NOT the most important part/highest priority of the DPW's work.   Keeping our water running, sewers doing their jobs, sidewalks clear, etc have a higher priority ....  and the DPW does a great job with that.