How do you do it box. With in the same thread you contradict yourself.
Quote from box PolitiFact looked into Obama promises and Rated his promise to withdraw combat troops from Iraq in 16monthsas PROMISE KEPT!
So which is it? Is it withdraw combat troops, or combat missions? Seems like you are getting confused by your own spin.
Troops on a combat mission are (obviously) combat troops. The same troops in training would be on a training mission.
One mission is offensive, the other instructional. Removing the "combat" troops from Iraq, drastically reduced the number of casualties there. While the rest of us understand that Obama kept his promise to remove "combat" troops from Iraq in 16 months, Cic still has a problem with the definition. Hope this helps you Cicero.
BTW, Cic also seems to disagree with PolitiFact on this issue, but that doesn't surprise me.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
While the rest of us understand that Obama kept his promise to remove "combat" troops from Iraq in 16 months, Cic still has a problem with the definition. Hope this helps you Cicero.
Well, the rest of us MINUS those family members whose loved ones were killed in COMBAT, whether offensive or defensive combat. When you are deployed in theater, and somebody is trying to kill you with IED's, RPG's, or AK47's, it is combat. But if you want to play the game of semantics to protect your dear leader, and spin his lies, that's your own conscience you have to deal with.
There will be 16,000 Backwater troops left in Iraq, and morons are still buying Obama's bullshit that the mission is over. It is just more LIES. The war that was once considered "illegal" 7 years ago by then Senator Barack Obama, is now being occupied by the Senator now President that once considered it illegal. But when you ignore reality and his actions, and you put the spin and veneer on it, Obama is a principled antiwar dove.
There will be 16,000 Backwater troops left in Iraq, and morons are still buying Obama's bullshit that the mission is over.
(Blackwater in Iraq is either mercenaries or contractors... they are NOT US troops. )
February 27, 2009 President Obama said Friday he plans to withdraw most U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of August 2010. Between 35,000 to 50,000 troops will remain in Iraq, he said. They would be withdrawn gradually until all U.S. forces are out of Iraq by December 31, 2011 -- the deadline set under an agreement the Bush administration signed with the Iraqi government last year. "Let me say this as plainly as I can: By August 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end," Obama said in a speech at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. CNN OLITICS">http://articles.cnn.com/2009-0.....obama?_s=PMOLITICS
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Ex military, rehired at a higher wage by the U.S. government to return to Iraq is not U.S. military. Got it, I understand now. I love nuance. So Blackwater troops in Iraq for what Obama considered an illegal war is a principled stance? Are Blackwater troops considered "combat"? Who is commanding the Blackwater troops? Are they directed by U.S. military commanders?
Just more example of disguising war and aggression as something other than war and aggression.
And why do you keep on quoting Obama's words AFTER the election. What were the campaign promises? He said all combat troops out in 16 MONTH(That would be mid 2010) and no permanent bases. The troops aren’t home YET, and there will be an embassy and 16,000 military contractors left behind.
U.S. drones allowed in Iraqi skies By Craig Whitlock
ANKARA, Turkey – American troops are almost gone from Iraq, but that doesn’t mean the U.S. military will cease its operations there entirely.
Baghdad has given Washington permission to keep flying Predator drones on surveillance missions over northern Iraq, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said Friday. The unmanned airplanes, which operate out of Incirlik Air Base in Turkey, are being used to look for fighters from the Kurdistan Worker’s Party, or PKK.
The U.S. military had flown the Predators on anti-PKK missions since 2007 from Iraqi bases, but had to move them out of the country this fall as part of the American withdrawal from Iraq. U.S. defense officials had previously acknowledged relocating the drones to Turkey, but Panetta’s statement was the first confirmation that they were still authorized to fly in Iraqi airspace.
The Kurdish group, which is fighting to create an autonomous enclave in Turkey, has launched cross-border attacks from its camps in northern Iraq for years. Turkey has responded with airstrikes and artillery attacks and has also sent ground troops into Iraq, further destabilizing a volatile area.
The U.S. government officially labels the PKK a terrorist organization, although the group has not targeted American interests. Turkey is a key NATO ally of the United States.
Ex military, rehired at a higher wage by the U.S. government to return to Iraq is not U.S. military. Got it, I understand now. I love nuance. So Blackwater troops in Iraq for what Obama considered an illegal war is a principled stance? Are Blackwater troops considered "combat"? Who is commanding the Blackwater troops? Are they directed by U.S. military commanders? Just more example of disguising war and aggression as something other than war and aggression. And why do you keep on quoting Obama's words AFTER the election. What were the campaign promises? He said all combat troops out in 16 MONTH(That would be mid 2010) and no permanent bases. The troops aren’t home YET, and there will be an embassy and 16,000 military contractors left behind.
The more Cicero posts about this issue the more it shows his ignorance of the issue. Cic should contact PolitiFact to inform them that they are wrong on Obama's Iraq Promise. Maybe they can explain it to him. (BTW Cicero... stay tuned for New Obama web video, 'Promises Kept,' that touts end of the war in Iraq) “Promises Kept” looks back to November 2004, when Obama — then an Illinois state senator — said he would have voted against authorizing force in Iraq had he been in Washington.
It then jumps ahead to the campaign trail in March 2008 when Obama vows to pull out American forces from Iraq once he is commander in chief.
The video then concludes with Obama’s 2010 declaration that combat operations in Iraq were over, and then this week’s emotional Ft. Bragg speech.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Just ask the service folks how they feel and 'what this is really about'!! THEY KNOW THE TRUTH!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Yes box, and you will eat that video up like the red meat it is meant to be.
I just posted the fact drones will still be patrolling the skies of Iraq after our military troops are replaced with the paramilitary troops. But again, just like Blackwater contractors, drones’ patrolling the skies is not an act of aggression. I'm sure America would have no problems with 16,000 Chinese contractor troops stationed in America, and their military drones flying in our air space.
This is the best of Obama double speak that he is banking on the Americans fall for. And the true believers will confuse his promise of pulling troops out of Iraq with his speech declaring the end of combat operations, as a fulfillment of his campaign promise. People that are objective will see the rhetorical sleight of hand. The end of combat operations isn't pulling out American troops. The Obama promise was pulling troops out of Iraq his first day in office until they were all out 16 months later. THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
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It then jumps ahead to the campaign trail in March 2008 when Obama vows to pull out American forces from Iraq once he is commander in chief.
The video then concludes with Obama’s 2010 declaration that combat operations in Iraq were over, and then this week’s emotional Ft. Bragg speech.
In reality, only a small fraction of the contractors in Iraq after U.S. troops leave will operate as armed personnel protecting U.S. diplomats. The vast majority will work as trainers for the Iraqi police and military force, as advisers to Iraqi government ministries, or on development projects across the country that State Department or USAID personnel cannot staff.
Once the U.S. military presence in Iraq is gone, the embassy in Baghdad, the largest U.S. embassy in the world, will be staffed by approximately 1,700 diplomats and representatives of various cabinet agencies. They will be supported by approximately 5,000 security contractors. There will also be up to 4,000 contractors supporting every service for U.S. personnel in Iraq from food to sanitation and anything else necessary for diplomats to carry out their jobs.
Over time, the State Department will look to add local staff in Iraq on a large level at the embassy thereby reducing the numbers of contractors needed Nides said.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Just talk to the service men and women. They have a very different story to tell....k?
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Former President George W. Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald rumsfeld deserve the credit for winning this war and bringing a democratically elected government to Iraq.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Former President George W. Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald rumsfeld deserve the credit for winning this war and bringing a democratically elected government to Iraq.
They deserve to be prosecuted for what they did, not honored for it! We NEVER needed to go there and invade taht country...it was Bush's personal agenda, period! He used American troops to fight "HIS" war.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
Former President George W. Bush, former Vice President Dick Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald rumsfeld deserve the credit for winning this war and bringing a democratically elected government to Iraq.
In some ways the Bush Liars were right. They knew that once US troops were committed to the war in Iraq, the real reason we went to war would be forgotten by many Americans. The WMD'S??? The non existant WMD'S??? Remember them. 4400+Americans died in that war based on lies, yet some Americans want to rewrite history and pretend it was fought for something other than OIL.
There is a democratically elected Puppet Govt in Iraq... another fact forgotten. In free elections all parties can run for office... not just the parties approved by the US govt. Democracy may happen in Iraq, but it hasn't as yet.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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