When the first drone attacks were undertaken, they were very expensive and took thousands of man hours to preform one strike, often with poor or unverifiable results. Other methods were preferable, and more reliable, but other methods would put Americans or American operatives at risk. Today, capturing the target is still preferable, and if possible still the method of choice. When capture is impossible, then drones are used. Today in the USA, when a target puts the police in danger or if civilians are at risk of being shot, SWAT teams will, when necessary shoot to kill a criminal.
Like the drone attacks in Yemen, killing is not the preferred rout, but often the only one available.
The next time there is a SWAT team, ready to shoot... we'll call Cicero, and he can put his life in danger to serve the criminal his papers and make the arrest... all after due process of course.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The next time there is a SWAT team, ready to shoot... we'll call Cicero, and he can put his life in danger to serve the criminal his papers and make the arrest... all after due process of course.
Huh??? What are you talking about? We have an ALL VOLUNTEER military and police force. The American people empower them to uphold the Constitution and protect peoples freedom and civil liberties, and yes this includes DUE PROCESS. Are you suggesting that the executive branch has free reign to circumvent the Constitutional requirement of Due Process because those people that choose a career in law enforcement don't want risk their own lives, so to preserve their own lives they would rather kill first, than capture and give them their day in court.
We sent a Navy Seal team into nuclear armed Pakistan and stormed OBL hut and could have captured him, but yet, we cannot send special ops teams into Yemen that barely has an Army and is in civil chaos and capture an American citizen and bring them to trial?
Box, you are showing your authoritarian colors, like most all liberals are, so I'm not surprised. You can justify almost any use of force by the state, and impugn any political movement aimed at reducing the power of the state. That's why the occupiers movement(small) is romanticized by people like you, and by those in the media, while the tea party was minimized as fringe, and racists. Any movement that is looking to give the state MORE authority is a worthy protest, that's why they are allowed to continue with little criticism.
The first of the Right Wing Domestic Terrorists, Joshua Clough, also known as “Azzurlin,” “Az” and “Mouse,” pleaded guilty to a weapons charge Monday, in the first plea deal in the case of Michigan’s anti-government Hutaree Militia.
Clough pleaded guilty to using a firearm during and in relation to a violent crime, namely a conspiracy to use bombs against local and state law enforcement officials.
Clough was a member of the anti-government Hutaree Miltia, and was among the nine members arrested in the spring of 2010 for an alleged plot “to kill an unidentified member of local law enforcement and then attack the law enforcement officers who gather in Michigan for the funeral.”
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Geesh why would they accept a plea deal if they had a rock solid case against these "Terrorist".
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Geesh why would they accept a plea deal if they had a rock solid case against these "Terrorist".
Each case is evaluated on it's own merits. As with other organized crime, these terrorists are charged with various crimes, and various counts of each crime.
Lesser criminals are sometimes offered a plea to aid the conviction of the leaders and planners in organized crime.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Each case is evaluated on it's own merits. As with other organized crime, these terrorists are charged with various crimes, and various counts of each crime.
Lesser criminals are sometimes offered a plea to aid the conviction of the leaders and planners in organized crime.
I thought our government doesn't negotiate with terrorist, does this mean maybe they ain't terrorist
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
I thought our government doesn't negotiate with terrorist, does this mean maybe they ain't terrorist
The USA has been negotiating with terrorists for as long as I can remember... Even partnering with them. Reagan gave Afghans Stinger missiles that are still unaccounted for when they were our 'buddies' fighting the Russians. Ronny also gave Saddam Chemical weapons when they were at war with Iran. The USA has a long history of partnering with terrorists one minute, then shooting at them the next.
There were even rumors at the time that Reagan negotiated with the Iranians in order to keep the American hostages captive to insure that Carter would lose the election.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
the government cant decide if it's the 'bad guy' or not anymore....why? because it's generational.....and toooooooo F'EN PC to know the difference.....pansy's
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
White Supremacist Harpham Gets 32 Years For Failed MLK Parade Bomb Attack
New exhibits were released in support of sentencing for Kevin Harpham, the white supremacist who pled guilty to planting a bomb at a Martin Luther King Day parade in Spokane, Wash., in January.
The new documents reveal details of Harpham's preparations as well as some of his ideological inspirations. According to prosecutors: [Harpham] is an admitted white supremacist and has been for some time. He is a member of the National Alliance, a white supremacy organization. His twisted views are memorialized in numerous posts on the Vanguard News Network forum, a know white supremacist website. ... His views are known to his family members as well other professed racist organizers.
Moreover, even since being held pre-trial he has continued to communicate with Glenn Miller, a known white supremacist. ... The FBI seized numerous racist books and periodicals from his belongings at his father’s premises. They also seized numerous domestic terrorism related books.
In addition, at the time of his arrest he was in possession of an AK47, a handgun, and a modified digital clock as a timing device.
The exhibits offer extensive details about Harpham's influences and communications.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
These people will always exist.....there is no Utopia.....the problem is we fail to give swift and hard punishment.....we PC talk.....or plain old lie.....he's a scumbag
We have the right to defend ourselves....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Geesh why would they accept a plea deal if they had a rock solid case against these "Terrorist".
Plea deals is all the rage in these days of modern times. Swift, efficient and cost effective. A very profitable enterprise. It all about the money. They always love to attach "right wing" to this stuff. They will take anything and make it into something it is not. Remember the Gabby giffords shooting, That kid did not have a shaved head, they shaved it and tried to make him out to be a" right wing terorist" but as they dug deep they found... out oh gee,z this guy is a leftie, cool it wit da P.R.opaganda.
We didnt come this far to get this far. random 12 year old
A slave is someone that waits for someone else to free him. Ezra Pound
Plea deals is all the rage in these days of modern times. Swift, efficient and cost effective. A very profitable enterprise. It all about the money. They always love to attach "right wing" to this stuff. They will take anything and make it into something it is not. Remember the Gabby giffords shooting, That kid did not have a shaved head, they shaved it and tried to make him out to be a" right wing terorist" but as they dug deep they found... out oh gee,z this guy is a leftie, cool it wit da P.R.opaganda.
TRUTH.....
either way there are lefty crazies and righty crazies and just plain old crazies.........
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Fears that the nation’s first black president will be re-elected has fueled the dramatic growth extremists groups in the U.S. over the past year. The number of groups in the anti-government “Patriot” movement have sky rocketed 755 percent since President Barack Obama has been elected. “These groups are becoming more and more aware as they watch the primary season unfold that Obama is fairly likely to win and some of them are having meltdowns over this.” “They’re looking at four more years under a very hated black president — hated by them. So, we’re seeing signs of real anger over that. People saying we’re at war already, saying go out and buy AK-47s and hollow-point bullets, get tools to derail trains.”
Patriot Groups: Unlike traditional hate groups, “Patriot” groups subscribe to a set of conspiracy theories and see the government as their primary enemy. Basically what ‘Patriot’ groups think is that the federal government is an evil cabal in the hands of bad people,” Potok explained. “The government is about to impose martial law on the country, very probably with the help of foreign troops, perhaps U.N. troops. They intend to confiscate all guns from Americans. Those liberty-loving Americans who resisted will be thrown into concentration camps that have secretly constructed by FEMA. And ultimately the government will force us all into a socialistic kind of one-world government, the so-called New World Order.” (WOW! Sounds like a few of the Ron Paul Groupies on this board!)
In addition to the staggering growth of groups in the “Patriot” movement, hate groups in general have grown from 926 in 2008 to 1018 last year. Anti-LGBT groups have grown by 27 percent and anti-Muslim groups have triple from 10 to 30 in just one year.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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