Are the Oakland protesters terrorists? They appear to be using violence as a tactic. They are not just talking, they are shutting down a port. So by definition the streets of Oakland are filled with terrorists.
Many people plea bargain even when they're not guilty of a crime, if the prosecutors had a solid case why would they accept it?
Henry... are you joining Cicero on his sinking ship that a group who conspire to murder as many police officers as possible, is NOT committing a crime?
Again... if the defendant in this case were named Mohammed and a Muslim, this discussion would not be happening. Let me submit Cicero's lame excuse for murder...
If the Mohammed and his radical group of Muslims oppose the corrupted ruling parties controlling the government because of unjust laws and tyranny forced onto the people, and they SPEAK of armed resistance against said government, you would be considered a "terrorist"? My guess is that Cicero would have no problem finding Mohammed guilty of conspiracy if he even mentioned a crime.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
If the Mohammed and his radical group of Muslims oppose the corrupted ruling parties controlling the government because of unjust laws and tyranny forced onto the people, and they SPEAK of armed resistance against said government, you would be considered a "terrorist"? My guess is that Cicero would have no problem finding Mohammed guilty of conspiracy if he even mentioned a crime.
Guess again...Conspiracy is a VERY difficult charge to prove. And the Mohammed example you mention has no national origin, citizen or non citizen, it's just a name. I know for a fact, Box would have no problems droning a person charged with conspiring without due process.
You haven't answered, is your hypothetical Mohammed in Libya that was trying to topple the established and recognized Gaddafi government a radical group of "terrorists", or was it a just revolt? At what point does a "terrorist" become a "freedom fighter"?
I know for a fact, Box would have no problems droning a person charged with conspiring without due process.
Cicero makes assumptions then extrapolates them into one of his "KNOWN FACTS". My guess... Cicero's next 'fact' will be his first.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Guess again...Conspiracy is a VERY difficult charge to prove.
Conspiracy CAN be a difficult charge to prove. It often is, but with good law enforcement, and in this case FBI infiltrators working inside the terrorist cell, I'm sure they collected enough evidence to prove their case.
The point will soon be moot as the rest of the Hutaree terrorists are found innocent or guilty in court.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Cicero makes assumptions then extrapolates them into one of his "KNOWN FACTS". My guess... Cicero's next 'fact' will be his first.
Two words - Anwar Al-Awlaki. American citizen - convicted of "terrorism" by secret tribunal inside the executive branch - NO DUE PROCESS. Box has been vocal in support of such actions.
Two words - Anwar Al-Awlaki. American citizen - convicted of "terrorism" by secret tribunal inside the executive branch - NO DUE PROCESS. Box has been vocal in support of such actions.
George Worst Bush put Anwar Al-Awlaki on the Kill List. However with his usual incompetence, Bush failed to carry out the mission... (and as with the Iraq war, Afghanistan and Bin Laden, Obama had to pick up after the disaster George Worst Bush.) The U.S. first said it used targeted killing in November 2002, with the cooperation and approval of the government of Yemen. It used a CIA-controlled high-altitude Predator drone to fire a Hellfire missile at an SUV in the Yemeni desert containing Qaed Salim Sinan al-Harethi, a Yemeni suspected senior al-Qaeda lieutenant believed to have been the mastermind behind the October 2000 USS Cole bombing that killed 17 Americans. He was on a list of targets whose capture or death had been called for by President George W. Bush. In addition to al-Harethi, five other occupants of the SUV were killed, all of whom were suspected al-Qaeda terrorists, and one of whom[b] (Kamal Derwish) was an American Citizen./b]
Other Predator Drone and air attacks from the kill list continued in June 2004, March 2005, December 2005, June 2006, January 2008, July 2008, October 2008, November 2008, three successful attacks in 2009, two in 2010 and more in 2011. The attacks became a very successful way of eliminating Al Qaeda while they were other wise inaccessible to US troops.
Representative Jane Harman, Democrat of California and chairwoman of the House Subcommittee on Homeland Security, called al-Awlaki "probably the terrorist, who would be terrorist No. 1 in terms of threat against us."
"If you are a legitimate military target abroad—a part of an enemy force—the fact that you're a U.S. citizen doesn't change that", said Michael Edney, deputy legal adviser to the National Security Council.
Al-Awlaki's targeted killing was carried out in September 2011. God Bless Barack Hussein Obama and the United States Of America!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Two words - Anwar Al-Awlaki. American citizen - convicted of "terrorism" by secret tribunal inside the executive branch - NO DUE PROCESS. Box has been vocal in support of such actions.
Cicero has been very, very vocal about his support for Al Qaeda Terrorists Anwar Al-Awlaki and less so for Al Qaeda Terrorist Kamal Derwish , both were American citizens.
While most Americans applaud the actions of our military and CIA when they eliminate terrorists who worked under Osama BinLaden, Cicero has shown the Al Qaeda terrorists unusual support. It appears Cicero would allow these two dangerous agents to continue to kill US Citizens while he collects donations to process their Due Process paperwork.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Cicero has been very, very vocal about his support for Al Qaeda Terrorists Anwar Al-Awlaki and less so for Al Qaeda Terrorist Kamal Derwish , both were American citizens.
While most Americans applaud the actions of our military and CIA when they eliminate terrorists who worked under Osama BinLaden, Cicero has shown the Al Qaeda terrorists unusual support. It appears Cicero would allow these two dangerous agents to continue to kill US Citizens while he collects donations to process their Due Process paperwork.
Hey...How do you know Al-Awlaki was an Al Qaeda terrorist? Did Obama show you the secret evidence? Or did the news TELL you he was an Al Qaeda terrorist?
Here is a picture of another "terrorist", Anwar Al-Awlaki's son Abdulrahman. Another Box supported drone attack on our enemy. Take a GOOD look at the enemy below. Don't you feel safer that America unilaterally and without due process went in and KILLED a 16 year old "terrorist"? One more time, take a LONG HARD look at the face of "terrorism". This BOY was tried, convicted, and executed in the bunker at the White House or inside the Pentagon.
Luckily we have GOOD PATRIOTIC Americans like Box, supporting the execution of 16 year old Americans in the name of keeping us safe.
And yes box, I am not one of those "most Americans" you speak of that supports killing Americans by drone attack. But I know - YOU ARE.
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The dead friend was Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, a 16-year-old born in Denver, the third American killed in as many weeks by suspected CIA drone strikes in Yemen. His father, the radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, also an American citizen, was killed earlier this month, along with alleged al-Qaeda propagandist Samir Khan, who was from New York. When Abdulrahman's death was first reported in the Western press, his age was given as 21 by local Yemeni officials. Afterward, however, the Awlaki family put out a copy of Abdulrahman's birth certificate.
Cicero's best friends, two of whom are Al Qaeda Terrorists are waiting for their "Due Process" to be complete. They are on a list, and they are at the very bottom of that list.
These people are ahead of them... waiting for Cicero's Due Process:
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Cicero's best friends, two of whom are Al Qaeda Terrorists are waiting for their "Due Process" to be complete. They are on a list, and they are at the very bottom of that list.
These people are ahead of them... waiting for Cicero's Due Process:
Box doesn't live by Blackstone's formulation.
"better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer",
Box a Rox Formulation:
"better that one man suffer than to let ten guilty persons escape"
Very good Box, I understand your idea of justice. Kinda like the ole "kill'em all, let God sort'em out" approach to justice. Or instead of justice, is it Just-Us?
Cicero's best friends, two of whom are Al Qaeda Terrorists are waiting for their "Due Process" to be complete. They are on a list, and they are at the very bottom of that list.
These people are ahead of them... waiting for Cicero's Due Process:
Hey, I wasn't aware the 9/11 high-jackers were American citizens. Those people listed on the 9/11 monument were killed by foreign nationals in America on expired visas. I think you are mixing apples and oranges here.
Al-Awlaki's son, 16 years old, was an imminent threat to America. He could have kill Americans at any moment. Thank GOD we stuffed a hell fire missile up his a**. I tell ya Box, I feel safer that there is one less 16 year old American citizen plotting on Facebook on how to kill me.
"better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer",
Box a Rox Formulation:
"better that one man suffer than to let ten guilty persons escape"
Very good Box, I understand your idea of justice. Kinda like the ole "kill'em all, let God sort'em out" approach to justice. Or instead of justice, is it Just-Us?
Cicero has fun imagining what I might think or what I might post... He's seldom correct... but his fantasy's keep him occupied.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Hey, I wasn't aware the 9/11 high-jackers were American citizens. Those people listed on the 9/11 monument were killed by foreign nationals in America on expired visas. I think you are mixing apples and oranges here.
No Cicero, I'm not. While you pine over the death of an Al Qaeda loyalist, a terrorist intent on killing innocent Americans... The rest of America is still grieving the deaths caused by your Al Qaeda friends. Those killed in the WTC attack were mostly American, but there were also citizens from all over the world. No due process for them either... but that isn't your concern... You'd rather comfort those who do the killing instead of those innocents killed.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
No Cicero, I'm not. While you pine over the death of an Al Qaeda loyalist, a terrorist intent on killing innocent Americans...
I'm still trying to figure out HOW you know this? You must have seen the evidence.
There are other Americans that are members of what could be considered a "terrorist" organization, do you sic the drones on them? How about Daniel Andreas San Diego, would you drone him without due process?
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