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The Hutaree Militia probably killed the exact same number of innocent Americans that Timothy McVeigh killed before he succeeded in the Oklahoma City Bombing.


So that number is zero (1/10 troll rating on the McVeigh strawman)

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Another defendants, Jacob Ward, has been declared incompetent to stand trial. The cases against the other defendants is set to go to trial on Feb. 7.



Relevant part is in bold text.




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Pre Crime???
HUH.  The Crime Of Conspiracy to commit Murder of a large number of police officers,  for some on this board is not a serious offense
As usual, the agenda drives the opinion.


All they did was talk there was no plan to carry out any of it and no physical evidence to suggest otherwise. When they never found any evidence they cooked up and made their own evidence, example, they took street signs they found at one of the locations and tried to make the argument this metal "could" of been cut up and used as shapnel in a bomb. When could haves are able to be used against a person they can make anyone look guilty.



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So that number is zero (1/10 troll rating on the McVeigh strawman)
Relevant part is in bold text.


YUP!  Before the crime... the number of killed is 0.  Just as in the case of the Oklahoma City Terrorist, Timothy McVeigh.

Had McVeigh's bomb failed to detonate, and no one was killed... Was McVeigh guilty of a crime???  By your reasoning in this post,
apparently not.  Not until McVeigh kills some one was a crime committed.  

Amazing



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All they did was talk there was no plan to carry out any of it and no physical evidence to suggest otherwise. When they never found any evidence they cooked up and made their own evidence, example, they took street signs they found at one of the locations and tried to make the argument this metal "could" of been cut up and used as shapnel in a bomb. When could haves are able to be used against a person they can make anyone look guilty.


Again... no crime?  
That's good news that according to your assessment, no crime was committed...
So when Joshua Clough plead GUILTY... He plead GUILTY to NOT COMMITTING A CRIME???
Very Creative!  




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Again... no crime?  
That's good news that according to your assessment, no crime was committed...
So when Joshua Clough plead GUILTY... He plead GUILTY to NOT COMMITTING A CRIME???
Very Creative!  

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The details of his guilty plea aren't known.  Clough’s lawyer Randall Roberts could not be reached for comment.


Yeah...Plea bargaining to a lesser charge when faced with the unlimited resources of the state is uncommon.  This is an example of the government using the power granted by the citizens to make him a poster child for hacks like you to gin up this idea of right wing "terrorism".


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to gin up this idea of right wing "terrorism".
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~ "Gin Up Right Wing Terrorism"... A great way to put it.
Here is a short list of my "ginned up" exaggerations:

June 8, 2008
Six people, most of them tied to the militia movement, are arrested in rural north-central Pennsylvania after officials find stockpiles of assault rifles, improvised explosives and homemade weapons, at least some of them apparently intended for terrorist attacks on U.S. officials. Agents find 16 homemade bombs during a search of the residence of Pennsylvania Citizens Militia recruiter Bradley T. Kahle, who allegedly tells authorities that he intended to shoot black people from a rooftop in Pittsburgh and also predicts civil war if Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton are elected president. A raid on the property of Morgan Jones results in the seizure of 73 weapons, including a homemade flame thrower, a machine that supposedly shot bolts of electricity, and an improvised cannon. Also arrested and charged with weapons violations are Marvin E. Hall, his girlfriend Melissa Huet and Perry Landis. Landis, who is to be sentenced in late 2009, allegedly tells undercover agents he wanted to kill Gov. Ed Rendell. Hall is sentenced to more than two years.

August 24, 2008
White supremacists Shawn Robert Adolf, Tharin Robert Gartrell and Nathan D. Johnson are arrested in Denver during the Democratic National Convention on weapons charges and for possession of amphetamines. Although police say they talked about assassinating presidential candidate Barack Obama, they are not charged in connection with that threat because officials see their talk as drug-fueled boasting. Police report the three had high-powered, scoped rifles, wigs, camouflage clothing and a bulletproof vest, along with the crystal methamphetamine. Gartrell is released from prison in June 2009, while Johnson is to be freed in 2010. Adolf, who was already wanted on other charges, draws a longer sentence.

October 24, 2008
Two white supremacists, Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman, are arrested in Tennessee for allegedly plotting to assassinate Barack Obama and murder more than 100 black people. Officials say Schlesselman and Cowart, a probationary member of the racist skinhead group Supreme White Alliance, planned to kill 88 people, then behead another 14. (Both numbers are significant in white supremacist circles. H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, so double 8s stand for HH, or "Heil Hitler." The number 14 represents the "14 Words," a popular racist saying.) The pair are indicted on charges that include threatening a presidential candidate, possessing a sawed-off shotgun, taking firearms across state lines to commit crimes, planning to rob a licensed gun dealer, damaging religious property, and using a firearm during the commission of a crime.

December 9, 2008
Police responding to a shooting at a home in Belfast, Maine, find James G. Cummings dead, allegedly killed by his wife after years of domestic abuse. They also find a cache of radioactive materials, which Cummings was apparently using to try to build a radioactive "dirty bomb," along with literature on how to build such a deadly explosive. Police also discover a membership application filled out by Cummings for the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement. Friends say that Cummings had a collection of Nazi memorabilia. The authorities say Cummings was reportedly "very upset" by the election of Barack Obama.

December 16, 2008
Kody Ray Brittingham, a lance corporal in the U.S. Marine Corps, is arrested with four others on attempted robbery charges. A search of his barracks room at Camp Lejeune, N.C., allegedly turns up white supremacist materials and a journal written by Brittingham containing plans to kill Barack Obama. Brittingham is indicted for threatening the president-elect of the United States, a crime that carries a maximum penalty of five years in federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000.

January 21, 2009
On the day after Barack Obama is inaugurated as the nation's first black president, Keith Luke of Brockton, Mass., is arrested after allegedly shooting three black immigrants from Cape Verde, killing two of them, as part of a racially motivated killing spree. The two murders are apparently only part of Luke's plan to kill black, Latino and Jewish people. After being captured by police, he reportedly says he planned to go to an Orthodox synagogue near his home that night and "kill as many Jews as possible." Police say Luke, a white man who apparently had no contact with white supremacists but spent the previous six months reading racist websites, told them he was "fighting for a dying race." Luke also says he formed his racist views in large part after watching videos on Podblanc, a racist video-sharing website run by longtime white supremacist Craig Cobb. When he later appears in court for a hearing, Luke, charged with murder, kidnapping and aggravated rape, has etched a swastika into his own forehead, apparently using a jail razor.

April 4, 2009
Three Pittsburgh police officers — Paul Sciullo III, Stephen Mayhle and Eric Kelly — are fatally shot and a fourth, Timothy McManaway, is wounded after responding to a domestic dispute at the home of Richard Andrew Poplawski, who had posted his racist and anti-Semitic views on white supremacist websites. In one post, Poplawski talks about wanting a white supremacist tattoo. He also reportedly tells a friend that America is controlled by a cabal of Jews, that U.S. troops may soon be used against American citizens, and that he fears a ban on guns is coming. Poplawski later allegedly tells investigators that he fired extra bullets into the bodies of two of the officers "just to make sure they were dead" and says he "thought I got that one, too" when told that the fourth officer survived. More law enforcement officers are killed during the incident than in any other single act of violence by a domestic political extremist since the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

April 25, 2009
Joshua Cartwright, a Florida National Guardsman, allegedly shoots to death two Okaloosa County, Fla., sheriff's deputies — Burt Lopez and Warren "Skip" York — at a gun range as the officers attempt to arrest Cartwright on domestic violence charges. After fleeing the scene, Cartwright is fatally shot during a gun battle with pursuing officers. Cartwright's wife later tells investigators that her husband was "severely disturbed" that Barack Obama has been elected president. He also reportedly believed the U.S. government was conspiring against him. The sheriff tells reporters that Cartwright had been interested in joining a militia group.

May 31, 2009
Scott Roeder, an anti-abortion extremist who was involved with the antigovernment "freemen" movement in the 1990s, allegedly shoots to death Kansas late-term abortion provider George Tiller as the doctor is serving as an usher in his Wichita church. Adherents of "freemen" ideology claim they are "sovereign citizens" not subject to federal and other laws, and often form their own "common law" courts and issue their own license plates. It was one of those homemade plates that led Topeka police to stop Roeder in April 1996, when a search of his trunk revealed a pound of gunpowder, a 9-volt battery wired to a switch, blasting caps and ammunition. A prosecutor in that case called Roeder a "substantial threat to public safety," citing Roeder's refusal to acknowledge the court's authority. But his conviction in the 1996 case is ultimately overturned. In the more recent case, Roeder is charged with murder and could face up to life in prison if convicted.

June 10, 2009
Eighty-eight-year-old James von Brunn, a longtime neo-Nazi, walks up to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and allegedly shoots to death security guard Stephen Johns before he is himself shot and critically wounded by other officers. Von Brunn, who earlier served six years in connection with his 1981 attempt to kidnap the members of the Federal Reserve Board at the point of a sawed-off shotgun, has been active in the white supremacist movement for more than four decades. As early as the early 1970s, he worked at the Holocaust-denying Noontide Press, and in subsequent decades, he comes to know many of the key leaders of the radical right. A search of von Brunn's car after the museum attack turns up a list of other apparent targets, including the White House, the Capitol, the National Cathedral and The Washington Post. A note allegedly left by von Brunn in his car reads: "You want my weapons; this is how you'll get them … the Holocaust is a lie … Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what his Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America's money. Jews control the mass media." He is charged with murder.

June 12, 2009
Shawna Forde — the executive director of Minutemen American Defense (MAD), an anti-immigrant vigilante group that conducts "citizen patrols" on the Arizona-Mexico border — is charged with two counts of first-degree murder for her alleged role in the slayings of a Latino man and his 9-year-old daughter in Arivaca, Ariz. Forde allegedly orchestrated the May 30 home invasion because she believed the man was a narcotics trafficker and wanted to steal drugs and cash to fund her group. Authorities say the murders, including the killing of the child, were part of the plan. Also arrested and charged with murder are the alleged triggerman, MAD Operations Director Jason Eugene "Gunny" Bush, and Albert Robert Gaxiola, 42, a local member of MAD. Authorities say that Bush had ties to the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations in Idaho, and that Forde has spoken of recruiting its members.

June 25, 2009
Longtime white supremacist Dennis Mahon and his brother Daniel are indicted in Arizona in connection with a mail bomb sent in 2004 to a diversity office in Scottsdale that injured three people. Mahon, formerly tied to the neo-Nazi White Aryan Resistance (WAR) group, allegedly left a phone message at the office saying that "the White Aryan Resistance is growing in Scottsdale. There's a few white people who are standing up." In a related raid, agents search the Indiana home of Tom Metzger, founder of WAR, but he is not arrested. On the same day, white supremacist Robert Joos is arrested in rural Missouri, apparently because phone records show that Dennis Mahon's first call after the mail bombing was to Joos' cell phone. Joos is charged with being a felon in possession of firearms.

Oct. 28, 2009
Luqman Ameen Abdullah, identified by authorities as a member of a black Muslim group hoping to create an Islamic state within U.S. borders, is shot dead at a warehouse in Dearborn, Mich., after he fires at FBI agents trying to arrest him on conspiracy and weapons charges. The FBI says Abdulla encouraged violence against the United States, adding that 10 other group members are being sought.

Feb. 18, 2010
Joseph Andrew Stack, who had earlier attended meetings of radical anti-tax groups in California, sets fire to his own house and then flies his single-engine plane into an Austin, Texas, building housing IRS offices. Stack and an IRS manager are killed, and 13 others are injured. Stack leaves a long online rant about the IRS and the tax code, politicians and corporations.

March 25, 2010
A man later identified as Brody James Whitaker opens fire on two Florida state troopers during a routine traffic stop on I-75 in Sumter County. Whitaker flees, crashing his vehicle and continuing on foot. He is arrested two weeks later in Connecticut, where he challenges the authority of a judge and declares himself a “sovereign,” not American, citizen. Sovereigns typically believe that police have no right to regulate road travel. Whitaker is later extradited to Florida to face charges of assaulting and fleeing from a police officer.

March 27-28, 2010
Nine members of the Hutaree Militia are arrested in raids in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana and charged with seditious conspiracy and attempted use of weapons of mass destruction. The group, whose website said it was preparing for the imminent arrival of the anti-Christ, allegedly planned to murder a Michigan police officer, then use bombs and homemade missiles to kill other officers attending the funeral, all in a bid to set off a war with the government.

April 15, 2010
Matthew Fairfield, who is president of a local chapter of an antigovernment “Patriot” organization called the Oath Keepers, is indicted on 28 explosives charges, 25 counts of receiving stolen property and one count of possessing criminal tools. Authorities searching his home discover a napalm bomb built by Fairfield, along with a computer carrying child pornography. Fairfield later pleads guilty to explosives charges, but still faces trial on other counts.

April 30, 2010
Darren Huff, an Oath Keeper from Georgia, is arrested and charged with planning the armed takeover of a Madisonville, Tenn., courthouse and “arrest” of 24 local, state and federal officials. Authorities say Duff was angry about the April 1 arrest there of Walter Francis Fitzpatrick III, a leader of the far-right American Grand Jury movement that seeks to have grand juries indict President Obama for treason. Several others in the antigovernment “Patriot” movement accuse Duff of white supremacist and anti-Semitic attitudes in Internet postings.

May 10, 2010
Sandlin Matthew Smith detonates a pipe bomb at a rear entrance to a mosque in Jacksonville, Fla., while worshippers are inside. Armed only with a fuzzy videotape, authorities only identify Smith, based on talking to witnesses to whom he admits the attack, a year later. They track Smith, a bus driver from Julington Creek, Fla., to a campsite near Fairview, Okla., where he resists arrest with a gun and is killed. A search of Smith’s two homes turns up explosive materials.

May 20, 2010
A father and son team of “sovereign citizens” who believe police have no right to regulate road travel murder West Memphis, Ark., police officers Robert Brandon Paudert, 39, and Thomas William “Bill” Evans, 38, during a routine traffic stop on an I-40 exit ramp. The incident begins when Jerry Kane, 45, starts to argue with the officers over his bogus vehicle paperwork and then pushes Evans into a roadside ditch. Kane’s 16-year-old son then kills both officers with an AK-47 before the pair flees. Authorities catch up with them about 45 minutes later. In the ensuing shootout, two more officers are badly wounded and both Kanes are killed. The pair had been traveling the country offering seminars in bogus sovereign techniques for avoiding foreclosure and related matters.

June 8, 2010
A bomb packed into a soda can is planted outside Osage Baptist Church in Carroll City, Ark., where a polling station for a Democratic Senate primary runoff between Sen. Blanche Lincoln and Lt. Gov. Bill Halter is located. The device does not explode, although authorities say it was capable of causing death or serious bodily injury. Officials later receive a tip from contractors who hired to clean out the foreclosed home of self-described “Patriot” Mark Krause, where they find bomb-making materials, manuals, and materials related to antigovernment militias. Krause, who earlier posted antigovernment messages to MySpace, eventually is arrested in Seattle.

July 18, 2010
An unemployed parolee with two bank robbery convictions, apparently enraged at liberals and what he sees as the “left-wing agenda” of Congress, allegedly opens fire on California Highway Patrol troopers who pull him over in Oakland. No one is killed, but two troopers are slightly injured and Byron Williams is shot in the arms and legs. Williams allegedly later tells authorities that he was on his way to attack offices of the American Civil Liberties Union and the Tides Foundation, a liberal organization that, although little known to most Americans, has been repeatedly pilloried on air by Fox News host Glenn Beck.

July 21, 2010
Attorney Todd Getgen is shot to death at a gun range in Cumberland County, Penn., and his weapon, a silenced AR-15 rifle, is stolen. Authorities arrest prison guard Raymond Peake nine days later, saying Peake was trying to accumulate weapons for an unnamed organization that intended to overthrow the government. Fellow prison guard Thomas Tuso is also arrested for allegedly helping Peake hide Getgen’s custom-built weapon.

Sept. 2, 2010
A pipe bomb is thrown through the window of a closed Planned Parenthood clinic in Madera, Calif., along with a note that reads, “Murder our children? We have a ‘choice’ too.” The note is signed ANB, apparently short for the American Nationalist Brotherhood. Six months later, law enforcement officials arrest school bus driver Donny Eugene Mower, who allegedly also threatened a local Islamic Center and has the word “Peckerwood,” a reference to a white supremacist gang, tattooed on his chest. Mower reportedly confesses to the attack.

Sept. 7, 2010
The FBI arrests 26-year-old Justin Carl Moose, a self-described “freedom fighter” and “Christian counterpart to Osama bin Laden,” for allegedly planning to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. After earlier receiving tips that Moose was posting threats of violence against abortion providers and information about explosives on his Facebook page, the FBI set up a sting operation to capture him. Moose later pleads guilty to distributing information on manufacturing and use of an explosive and is sentenced to 30 months in prison.

Sept. 19, 2010
An antigovernment extremist with ties to the separatist Republic of Texas organization allegedly opens fire on an oil company worker and two sheriff’s deputies who show up at White’s property in West Odessa, Texas, to access an oil well to which the company has rights. Victor White, 55, allegedly wounds all three men before they retreat, and a 22-hour standoff follows. White eventually surrenders and is charged with three counts of attempted capital murder of a peace officer, one count of attempted capital murder, and aggravated assault.

Jan. 14, 2011
Federal agents in Arizona arrest Jeffery Harbin, a member of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement, for allegedly building homemade grenades and pipe bombs that he apparently intended to supply to anti-immigration groups patrolling the Mexican border. A prosecutor says that Harbin constructed the devices, using model rocket engines and aluminum power, "in such a way as to maximize human carnage." Harbin is indicted on two counts of possessing a destructive device and a third of transporting destructive devices. Jeffery Harbin is the son of Jerry Harbin, a Phoenix-area activist with past ties to the neo-Nazi National Alliance and the racist Council of Conservative Citizens.

Jan. 17, 2011
Bomb technicians defuse a sophisticated improvised explosive device (IED) found in a backpack along the Spokane, Wash., route of a Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade with 1,500 marchers. Using forensic clues found in the dismantled bomb, officials about two months later identify and arrest Kevin William Harpham, a long-time neo-Nazi. Harpham had posted more than 1,000 messages to the neo-Nazi Vanguard News Network since 2004, when he was a member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance. Harpham also had contributed to the white supremacist Aryan Alternative newspaper. He is indicted on one count of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and one count of possessing an IED. Later, federal hate crime charges are added.

March 10, 2011
Six members of the antigovernment Alaska Peacemakers Militia, including its leader Francis Schaeffer Cox, are arrested and charged with plotting to kill or kidnap state troopers and a Fairbanks judge. The group already has a large cache of weapons, including a .50-caliber machine gun and grenades and a grenade launcher. Cox earlier identified himself as a “sovereign citizen.”

May 14, 2011
Three masked men break into the Madrasah Islamiah, an Islamic center in Houston, and douse prayer rugs with gasoline in an apparent attempt to burn the center down. Images of the men are captured on surveillance cameras, but they are not identified. The fire is put out before doing major damage.

May 25, 2011
A man with a long history of menacing abortion clinics is arrested on weapons charges after he accidentally shoots a pistol through the door of a Madison, Wis., motel room. Ralph Lang, 63, tells police he planned to kill a doctor and workers at a nearby Planned Parenthood clinic.

August 24, 2011
Cody Seth Crawford, 24, is arrested on federal charges accusing him of the Nov. 28, 2010, arson of the Salman Alfarisi Islamic Center in Corvallis, Ore. The firebombing occurred two days after a former Oregon State University student was arrested in a plot to detonate a car bomb during Portland's annual tree-lighting. Crawford had ranted about Muslims and described himself as a Christian warrior during previous run-ins with police.

September 6, 2011
A white supremacist pleads guilty to federal hate crime charges after a series of racially motivated Texas attacks. Steven Scott Cantrell, 25, wanted to "prove himself" in order to join a Texas chapter of the Aryan Brotherhood, a racist prison gang. He vandalized a predominantly black church in Crane, Texas; started a fire in an attempt to kill a disabled African-American man; tried to burn a home where he suspected a Jewish man lived; targeted a gym whose owners he believed helped Mexican and African-American patrons; and set fire to a church van.

October 5, 2011
White supremacist ex-convict David "Joey" Pedersen, 31, and his girlfriend, Holly Ann Grigsby, 24, are arrested in California after a murderous rampage in three states. Grigsby tells police that she and Pedersen "were on their way to Sacramento to kill more Jews." The first killed were Pedersen's father and stepmother in Everett, Wash. Another man was killed in Lafayette, Ore., because the pair thought he was Jewish. An African-American man was found shot to death in Eureka, Calif. Pederson earlier served time for threatening to kill the federal judge who handled the Ruby Ridge case of white separatist Randy Weaver.

November 1, 2011
Four members of an unnamed North Georgia militia are arrested in an alleged plot to bomb federal buildings, attack cities including Atlanta with deadly ricin, and murder law enforcement officials. The men – Frederick Thomas, 73, Samuel J. Crump, 68, Dan Roberts, 67, and Ray H. Adams, 65 – allegedly discussed dispersing ricin powder in a series of cities, "taking out" a list of officials to "make the country right again," and scouting buildings in Atlanta to bomb. Authorities say the plot was inspired by an online novel, Absolved, written by longtime Alabama militiaman Mike Vanderboegh.



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Again... no crime?  
That's good news that according to your assessment, no crime was committed...
So when Joshua Clough plead GUILTY... He plead GUILTY to NOT COMMITTING A CRIME???
Very Creative!  


What charge did he plead guilty to?  Do you have an answer?  Anything?  I've pled guilty to parking on the highway, I guess I'm criminal.  

Just another example of Box taking opinion and morphing it into fact.  Just like his sophist hero Obama.


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I didn't see any terrorism charges or convictions in any of your example.  Remember, you titled the thread "right wing terrorist". A lot of racism, I'm not sure that's terrorism.  Some bigotry, again, not sure that's terrorism.  But hey, maybe I'm wrong, in todays American EVERYTHING can be considered "terrorism"(watch out for predator drones)  I don't know why they bothered to charge these people, one hellfire missile could have solved the problem.  No need for a messy trial and due process when you are dealing with "terrorists".

I did only scan the list quickly since you offered no links for verification.


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Cicero seems to be preoccupied with Predator Drones.  Paranoia can be a fearful thing!  


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No, I'm preoccupied with charges and convictions of terrorism.  Since that is the title of the thread.  Predator drones is how justice is delivered to terrorists.  


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I didn't see any terrorism charges or convictions in any of your example.  Remember, you titled the thread "right wing terrorist". A lot of racism, I'm not sure that's terrorism.  Some bigotry, again, not sure that's terrorism.  But hey, maybe I'm wrong, in todays American EVERYTHING can be considered "terrorism"(watch out for predator drones)  I don't know why they bothered to charge these people, one hellfire missile could have solved the problem.  No need for a messy trial and due process when you are dealing with "terrorists".

I did only scan the list quickly since you offered no links for verification.


Terrorism?

Right Wing Terrorist Timothy McVeigh was indicted on 11 federal counts, including conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction, use of a weapon of mass destruction, destruction by explosives and eight counts of first-degree murder.
Sorry Cicero, but America's most deadly terrorist up to that time, was not charged with "Terrorism".  Neither were the  Hutaree militia.  (I don't know if a charge of "terrorism" even exists)

But like Right Wing Terrorist Timothy McVeigh, who was ALSO CHARGED WITH CONSPIRACY (a crime) Joshua Clough conspired to commit murder as an act of Terrorism.

I'll try to simplify this for you Cicero, so you can understand it...
I Mohammed Somebody, for political reasons,  conspired with his Muslim friends to kill as many Rotterdam cops as possible, then
Mohammed conspired to ambush the police attending the resulting funerals....
You would correctly label Mohammed as a terrorist.
(The same applies to Joshua Clough and the Hutaree Terrorists.)





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Another defendants, Jacob Ward, has been declared incompetent to stand trial. The cases against the other defendants is set to go to trial on Feb. 7.
Relevant part is in bold text.


Jacob Ward may be tried for his terrorist acts against America...

Meanwhile, another of the defendants, Jacob Ward, has been declared incompetent to stand trial.

In July, Roberts found that Ward was incompetent to stand trial and ordered him to get treatment. She said Ward suffers from a mental disease or defect that makes it difficult for him to understand the severity of the charges he is facing.

A forensic psychiatrist, however, held that Ward could regain competency in three to six months with treatment.


(Detroit Free Press)
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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I'll try to simplify this for you Cicero, so you can understand it...
I Mohammed Somebody, for political reasons,  conspired with his Muslim friends to kill as many Rotterdam cops as possible, then
Mohammed conspired to ambush the police attending the resulting funerals....
You would correctly label Mohammed as a terrorist.
(The same applies to Joshua Clough and the Hutaree Terrorists.)



So let me get this straight...If the citizens oppose the corrupted ruling parties controlling the government because of unjust laws and tyranny forced onto the people, and they SPEAK of armed resistance against said government, you would be considered a "terrorist"?  That's interesting, I think we just spent 1 Billion Dollars dropping bombs on the established government of Libya in support in what you would consider a group of "terrorist" trying to topple it.

What would you have thought of the Whiskey Rebellion during the 1790's?  Would they be just bunch of right wing "terrorists" not willing to pay their "fair share"?

In another sane time in history, American citizens that rebelled against the government would be called a rebellion NOT terrorism.  But in the authoritarian state we live in, any and all dissenters will be CRUSHED by the powers of the state.  First by destroying your reputation and will to rebel through the legal system and media, or as in Oakland you will be destroyed by the brute force of the state and the paid state thugs.


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So let me get this straight...If the citizens oppose the corrupted ruling parties controlling the government because of unjust laws and tyranny forced onto the people, and they SPEAK of armed resistance against said government, you would be considered a "terrorist"?  .

Lets see if it applies,

Terrorism: 
~ the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
~the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
Dictionary.com

OR
~ the act of terrorizing; use of force or threats to demoralize, intimidate, and subjugate, esp. such use as a political
weapon or policy
Yourdictionary

OR
~ the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
Definitions.net

SPEAKING of an insurrection would appear to be protected by our 1st amendment rights.
but
Planning a terrorist act (as described above) would be considered an act of terrorism and could at least be considered
conspiracy... and planning the murder of policemen would be considered conspiracy to commit murder... a felony.

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So Cicero... you never responded.l
Was my friend Mohammed in the above post a terrorist or not???  You seem confused about weather Right Wingers
are terrorists, but you seem to have a pretty good grasp of what a Left Wing, or a Muslim terrorist is... why the
confusion... the terrorism is the same, the only difference is the political motive.

Hutaree killing cops is terrorism... no matter what the political reason for their murder.






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Again... no crime?  
That's good news that according to your assessment, no crime was committed...
So when Joshua Clough plead GUILTY... He plead GUILTY to NOT COMMITTING A CRIME???
Very Creative!  




Many people plea bargain even when they're not guilty of a crime, if the prosecutors had a solid case why would they accept it?



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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