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"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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He wasn't even CHARGED with terrorism.  You invented it out of thin air, made it up, lied.


Right Wing Terrorist Timothy McVeigh wasn't charged with terrorism either.
Although McVeigh killed 168 people and injured over 800 people, he was charged with the murder of 8 federal agents, the use
of a weapon of mass destruction, conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction, and destruction with the use of explosives

Terrorist Darren Huff like McVeigh, both supported Right Wing Militia movements that opposed the Government of the United States.
Luckily, Huff was captured before he could kill or injure anyone.





The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Right Wing Terrorist Timothy McVeigh wasn't charged with terrorism either.
Although McVeigh killed 168 people and injured over 800 people, he was charged with the murder of 8 federal agents, the use
of a weapon of mass destruction, conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction, and destruction with the use of explosives

Terrorist Darren Huff like McVeigh, both supported Right Wing Militia movements that opposed the Government of the United States.
Luckily, Huff was captured before he could kill or injure anyone.


Everybody is a terrorist EXCEPT:

John Wilkes Booth
Charles J. Guiteau
Lee Harvey Oswald
Richard Lawrence
John Schrank
Giuseppe Zangara
Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola
Lynette Fromme
Sara Jane Moore
John Hinckley, Jr.

Would Obama have droned these people listed without due process, based on evidence a "plot" to carry out their actions?  Back in a just America, these people were charged, tried, convicted, and punished for their actions.  In America 2011, they would have been droned by the pre-crime unit under conspiracy to commit terror.  Welcome to East Germany.


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Everybody is a terrorist EXCEPT:

John Wilkes Booth
Charles J. Guiteau
Lee Harvey Oswald
Richard Lawrence
John Schrank
Giuseppe Zangara
Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola
Lynette Fromme
Sara Jane Moore
John Hinckley, Jr.

Would Obama have droned these people listed without due process, based on evidence a "plot" to carryout their actions?  Back in a just America, these people were charged, tried, convicted, and punished for their actions.  In America 2011, they would have been droned by the pre-crime unit.


Sit down Cicero... have some warm tea... relax... take a chill pill.  Your rants are running away with you.


However... If Timothy McVeigh were in a SUV driving through the desert and the only way to prevent the Oklahoma City
bombing attack was for the Oklahoma State Police to shoot to kill McVeigh... deadly force of an American Citizen would have
been justified.  
Likewise with an AlQaeda Terrorist in Yemen.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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However... If Timothy McVeigh were in a SUV driving through the desert and the only way to prevent the Oklahoma City
bombing attack was for the Oklahoma State Police to shoot to kill McVeigh... deadly force of an American Citizen would have
been justified.  
Likewise with an AlQaeda Terrorist in Yemen.


Man, you hate that due process clause.  It's a real stickler and gets in the way of totalitarian government power.  

What if Timothy McVeigh was driving his SUV through the Gobi desert nowhere near Oklahoma City preaching his opposition to U.S. foreign policy?  Do you arrest him or kill him?  It's a rhetorical question box, I know your answer.  You would rather kill the possible innocent than give him his day in court.  

Box argues that we invaded Iraq on bad intel and lies, and now suddenly because Obama's in power,  we can convict our own citizen to death from that same intel.  WOW!


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Box argues that we invaded Iraq on bad intel and lies, and now suddenly because Obama's in power,  we can convict our own citizen to death from that same intel.  WOW!


No Cicero... You have it wrong once again.
George W Bush had good intel... he just lied about it in the White Paper Reports to congress to push his Iraq war for Oil agenda.



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Terrorist Darren Huff like McVeigh, both supported Right Wing Militia movements that opposed the Government of the United States..



Actually the militia movement McVeigh wished to join kicked him out because he was to radical. Also the Michigan Militia does not oppose the government, it opposes unconstitutional laws which the government has no right to create. By the way the MM was cleared of any wrongdoing but that never stopped the spin machine from labeling them threats and terrorists.



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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As I remember Clinton believed the same intel available to Bush.
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As I remember Clinton believed the same intel available to Bush.


Shhhhhhh...She was misled...A lot of the intel gathered on Iraq was done under the Clinton Admin....But she knew nothing, it was a HUGE right wing conspiricy.


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Such an uninformed board...     They continue to believe the propaganda long after the propaganda has been exposed as false.

Just three paragraphs of the pages of evidence showing that the Bush/Blare Administrations cooked the intelligence to match the agenda.  You can educate yourselves, or continue to buy the propaganda, it makes no difference to me.  (I prefer the truth over propaganda)

National Security Archives:
"PR Push for Iraq War Preceded Intelligence Findings"
A comparison of the CIA draft white paper with its publicly released edition shows that all the changes made were in the nature of strengthening its charges against Iraq by inserting additional alarming claims, in the manner of an advocacy, or public relations document. The draft and final papers show no evidence of intelligence analysis applied to the information contained. Similar comparison of the British white paper shows the same phenomenon at work.
Declassified Pentagon documents demonstrate that the CIA white paper was modified in ways that conformed to the desires of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy and his office, in much the same way that British documents indicate that country’s white paper was changed to conform to the desires of the Blair government.

The many official investigations and unofficial investigations carried out, plus the statements and speeches of former CIA officials defending themselves against charges of distortion, have established a few points beyond question. Most important, following Saddam Hussein’s 1998 final expulsion of UN weapons inspectors from Iraq, very little new information fell into the hands of U.S. intelligence. Notable exceptions include data from Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji Sabri, recruited as a CIA source (Note 2), and from Iraqi scientists clandestinely approached by the CIA under a covert program. (Note 3) Both these streams of information denied the existence of Iraqi WMD. On the other side were data from Iraqi exile sources that claimed all sorts of WMD and a set of fabricated documents alleging an Iraqi deal to buy uranium ore in Niger. The only concrete “find” was of a shipment of aluminum tubes being imported into Iraq, but analysts were divided over whether these tubes had anything to do with WMD at all. U.S. intelligence largely discounted the (accurate) details from Sabri and the scientists and—despite the CIA’s expressed misgivings—made use of the exile data. This thin data conditioned the intelligence analysis.  

(National Security Archives)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB254/index.htm


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Obama executed a U.S. Citizen.  No congressional approval...We'll never know if the evidence authorizing the assassination was fabricated. IT'S A SECRET....


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Obama executed a U.S. Citizen.  No congressional approval...We'll never know if the evidence authorizing the assassination was fabricated. IT'S A SECRET....


Exactly the same circumstances for George Worst Bush in Yemen...but you don't bring that incident up... I wonder why???

(PS, I hope you educated yourself about the GWB WMD lies so you won't go on embarrassing yourself in the future)


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Did Bill Clinton's intelligence reports indicate that Iraq had WMDs?
People always say that Bush made it up and tricked Congress but Clinton thought they had WMDs as well. How does that add up?

Best Answer - Chosen by Voters
Yes. The intelligence agencies all over the world believed he had them. We know he had them wen he attacked the Kurds with them, and we know Saddam dug underground bunkers all over Iraq. Saddam himself bragged constantly that he had them and that he would use them in "the mother of all wars".---It wouldn't take a genius to hide them or send them to Syria.
I wonder if the Bush haters and military bug-outs will apologize to bush if they are found.--- I doubt it.
I'm by no means Bush's greatest fan, but his critics are really disgusting and so obviously driven by fear.    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081219160022AAzXtqU
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Did Bill Clinton's intelligence reports indicate that Iraq had WMDs?
People always say that Bush made it up and tricked Congress but Clinton thought they had WMDs as well. How does that add up?

Best Answer - Chosen by Voters
Yes. The intelligence agencies all over the world believed he had them. We know he had them wen he attacked the Kurds with them, and we know Saddam dug underground bunkers all over Iraq. Saddam himself bragged constantly that he had them and that he would use them in "the mother of all wars".---It wouldn't take a genius to hide them or send them to Syria.
I wonder if the Bush haters and military bug-outs will apologize to bush if they are found.--- I doubt it.
I'm by no means Bush's greatest fan, but his critics are really disgusting and so obviously driven by fear.    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081219160022AAzXtqU


This post is so lame on so many fronts...
First of all Yahoo Answers, is a user added post... anyone can offer an opinion, but it's just an opinion, then whoever posts gets to
vote on the best answer.  Jezzzzzzzzzzzzz  

2nd,  OF COURSE IRAQ HAD WMD'S... DONALD RUMSFELD GAVE/SOLD THEM TO SADDAM WHEN HE WAS FIGHTING IRAN!
Those weapons systems and chemical agents were degrading throughout the first Iraq war with Daddy Bush.  Once weapons
inspectors started getting good information on WMD's, Saddam got rid of all existing weapons systems.

The Yellowcake from Niger... LIES
The Aluminum tubes for weapons... LIES
The Mobile Chemical Weapons Labs... LIES.


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(PS, I hope you educated yourself about the GWB WMD lies so you won't go on embarrassing yourself in the future)







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