After the ruling came down, protesters were allowed to reenter the park, albeit without any bulky items or large backpacks.
Even with the restrictions, however, the mood among the protesters was reportedly jubilant.

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After the ruling came down, protesters were allowed to reenter the park, albeit without any bulky items or large backpacks.
Even with the restrictions, however, the mood among the protesters was reportedly jubilant.

good for them....I hope they figure 'it' out...

“Occupy Wall Street has helped focus national attention on the crucial problems of our day: unchecked corporate power
that chokes our economy and democracy, rising inequality that betrays the basic promise of America, joblessness when
there’s work to be done, foreclosures that displace families and leave houses empty, and much more,” said Robert Weissman,
the president of Public Citizen.

“The hardy bands of Occupy protesters in New York and around the country have fundamentally altered the national
conversation – and not just in the media. Political and campaign discourse has changed.”

Occupy protesters decried the ruling. "If you can't have tents, you can't have an occupation," said Mark Bray, an Occupy spokesman. "The encampment is why this became so big around the world."

The ruling was a victory for Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who said he personally ordered the police into the park. "The First Amendment protects speech," he said. "It doesn't protect the use of tents and sleeping bags to take over a public space."
Other members of the movement, which protests corporate greed and economic inequality, seemed resigned to losing the park, even though the order allowed them to return individually as long as they followed the rules.

"If this movement is only tied to Liberty Plaza, we're going to lose," said Sandra Nurse, one of the organizers, referring to the park by a nickname. "The important thing is to come together and reaffirm why we were here in the first place."

John Murdoch agreed, saying the ouster "means that this isn't about a physical space. We have to evolve."

Several independent analysts said the police action could actually save the movement.

"Mayor Bloomberg may have done Occupy Wall Street a favor by providing a dramatic ending to the occupation," said Maurice Isserman, an historian and co-author of America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s. "The alternative would be an endless round of news stories through the winter about the squalor, discomfort and disruption caused by the encampment, while fewer and fewer of the original die-hards held out."

The New York eviction, and other police actions around the country, could force the Occupy movement to face the inevitable, according to Michael Heaney, a University of Michigan political scientist: "Institutionalize or die."

He said the movement's signature tactic — occupation of public spaces — "is unsustainable because it is illegal. … If the movement is to survive, it must reorient itself around legal tactics" such as permitted demonstrations, lobbying and electoral politics.                                                                    http://www.usatoday.com/news/n.....p;   

OWS Protesters Calling For ‘Day Of Action’ Following Loss Of Camp In Zuccotti Park
November 16, 2011 9:17 AM

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) – The loss of their camp at Zuccotti Park doesn’t seem to be slowing down the Occupy Wall Street movement as protesters are calling for “a national day of direct action” on Thursday.

According to their website, protesters are planning three major actions Thursday starting with a “shut down” of Wall Street
It all starts with a rally in Liberty Square starting at 7 a.m. to “put an end to Wall Street’s reign of terror.”
OWS Protesters Calling For Day Of Action Following Loss Of Camp In Zuccotti Park

Then, protesters will fan out to all five boroughs of the city in what’s being called Occupy the Subway.

They plan on gathering at 16 subways stations around New York City to take their message to the trains.

Finally, they say tens of thousands of protesters will end the day in Foley Square followed by a march to the Brooklyn Bridge to mark the two month anniversary of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Their website says similar days of action are also planned at Occupy sites around the country and around the world.

After Tuesday’s raid of Zuccotti Park that cleared it of tents, sleeping bags and tarps, protesters marched to Foley and Duarte Square where they distributed a poster about Thursday’s day of action.

“The ideas that we have put into public discussion around this country and around the world set into sharp relief who gets what, who has a safety net, who gets thrown under the bus,” said spokesman Bill Dobbs.

City leaders who were against the raid at Zuccotti are also set to participate.

While the official movement is planning its day of action, other individuals seem to be making plans of their own.

In a video posted on YouTube after protesters were evicted from Zuccotti Park, a demonstrator in the crowd says “On the 17th, we’re going to burn New York City to the ground.”

Later in the video, he then goes on to say “No more talking. They’ve got guns, we’ve got bottles. They’ve got bricks, we’ve got rocks…in a few days you’re going to see what a Molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s.”

You guys are missing the point
fiat money created by bankers and politicians, together in unison, are the cause of trouble today.
This is planned, directed history taking place before our eyes.
I know for myself, that was the major road block preventing me from becoming a full tilt anarchist.  Before I could support an entirely voluntary government, I needed someone to show me how anarchy could
protect the sweat and labor of the people.
See  how the government points the finger at the banker and the banker points the finger at the government ,get the people all in an uproar playig on the most base fears and greed within humanity and
play it like a fiddle to their tune.
So in light of my transformation, I’m going to present to you the arguments that finally convinced me that a voluntarily funded government is the only type of legitimate government, and the only one actually capable of defending property rights.

Arguments From Morality

These arguments simply point out that initiating violence against people who have harmed no one by their actions is morally wrong.  Consider that it is oxymoronic to claim thievery is necessary to protect
private property.   It is oxymoronic to claim that the initiation of violence is necessary to prevent the initiation of violence.  When a person supports “limited government”, they are giving up the moral
high-ground by supporting the initiation of violence as a means of organizing society.

The Story of Your Enslavement | Stefan Molyneux

The Sunset of the State | Stefan Molyneux



Arguments From Consequentialism

Arguments from consequentialism ignore any kind of philosophical “moral” judgement about the initiation of violence used in the collection of taxes.  They purely look at the outcomes of various actions to
determine what the best course of action should be.  An example of this would be the Austrian School of economics.  The Austrian School favors anarcho-capitalism for purely consequentialist reasons.  When
Austrian economists analyze the behavior of markets, it becomes clear that the State never brings about a more positive outcome for society than if the State had not interfered in the market at all.

So to the point, here are a few arguments that really proved to me that free markets can provide a superior service for the protection of property rights as opposed to the State.  

Hoppe’s video is the final lecture that pushed me over the edge into anarchy.

A Private Law Society | by Hans Hoppe

Chaos Theory: Private Law | by Robert P. Murphy

Chaos Theory: Private Defense | by Robert P. Murphy

Murphy’s essays really get into the meat and potatoes of how private defense forces would be organized at the local and national levels.  I think Murphy really makes that case that there is no need for a
State to defend against external States since private markets can accomplish this task without the violence of taxation.



Arguments Against Minarchy – the impossibility of a limited State

After it became to clear to me that privatized defense of property and privatized courts could offer superior protection of property rights, these arguments against the possibility of maintaining a limited government were really the icing on the cake.

I am convinced that giving some group of authoritarians a monopoly on the use of violence in order to rob the people under their control will always result in an oppressive super-State.  Once the machinery of violence is set into motion, it can not be stopped until it ultimately destroys itself.

Is Limited Government an Oxymoron? | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

On the Impossibility of Limited Government | by Hans-Hermann Hoppe

The Fatal Conceit: The Myth of Limited Constitutional Government | Thomas J. DiLorenzo


The bottom line here is that:

1.  It is simply immoral to initiate violence against the innocent, which clearly encompasses taxation.

2.  The initiation of violence can not ever lead to superior economic outcomes.

3.  Once the initiation of violence is accepted by the public as a means of organizing government, the path towards the wholesale destruction of society can not be stopped.

4.  Private markets, in all things, lead to superior service, quality, and value – this rule includes the markets of defense and arbitration of disputes.

Sp net time you here they parrots talk about anarchy breking out and chaos will be in the street.
Remember it is a lie
anarchy is not violence or chaos.
It is Nature.

Government serve one purpose to impose your will over everybody else.

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Occupy Protesters Mobilize for Obama’s Visit
By MATT FLEGENHEIMER

Tina Fineberg for The New York Times
Occupy Wall Street demonstrators were in Times Square on Wednesday night to protest an event for President Obama.
10:06 p.m. | Updated More than 100 Occupy Wall Street protesters marched to a Midtown hotel on Wednesday night to protest a fund-raising event for President Obama.

Escorted by police vehicles as they helped snarl traffic across the Times Square area, beginning at Bryant Park, the group settled in front of barricades on the southwest corner of 53rd Street and Seventh Avenue, in view of the Sheraton hotel at which Mr. Obama was expected to appear by 9 p.m.

Demonstrators held signs that leveled some of the Occupy protest’s most pointed criticism to date of the president. “Obama is a corporate puppet,” one said. “War crimes must be stopped, no matter who does them,” read another, beside head shots of President George W. Bush and President Obama.

One man, wearing a mask of the president’s face and holding a cigar, carried a sign that read, “I sold out!”

Ben Campbell, 28, one of the march’s organizers, said he hoped to prove to skeptics of the protests that the demonstrators were political critics of equal opportunity.

“President Obama is coming to town solely to raise money from the richest of the rich,” Mr. Campbell said.....................>>>>>........................>>>>......................http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/occupy-protesters-mobilize-for-obamas-visit/

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Occupiers, tea partiers
have common interests
    For more than two months, I have been reading articles, opinion columns and letters concerning the Occupy Wall Street protests. There is a common theme among the pro-Occupiers — that is, the greedy Wall Streeters and businesses are taking government money and the government is not giving enough to the majority, average people.
    B.K. Keramati complains in his Nov. 29 letter that articles have been written about how much it is costing local governments, which are actually the citizens of those communities, for law enforcement to keep the Occupiers in check. But there is no mention of the cost that government, a k a the citizens, incurs with all of the corporate welfare being doled out. This is laughable.
    I am a founding member of the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) party movement. We were the first to bring the huge government spending and waste to public view. Our movement was born when the TARP bailout was passed.
    We agree with many of the Occupiers’ complaints, but not with their solutions. One of our biggest complaints is the Federal Reserve, which is almost single-handedly ruining our country. Between the end of 2008 and 2009, it gave banks $7.7 trillion printed out of thin air at below-market rates. Guess who paid for that?
    Mr. Keramati ran for state Assembly in 2010 against [Assemblyman] Jim Tedisco. What makes his complaint so laughable is that one of his proposals was to use state taxpayer money for renewable energy. I am not against solar power. In fact, I am in favor of most any alternative energy, as long as it is viable. What I am not in favor of is government spending on it.
    Can anyone say Solyndra, Sun Power, Solar City, and a whole host of other failed government loans to alternative energy companies? That is what makes Mr. Keramati’s complaint about government being bought so laughable.
    Some of the Occupiers want more government intervention, in the form of giving them money or bailing them out from poor consumer decisions. If you want government to do everything for you, then you are going to get corruption. You are going to get government officials being bought off and government giving money to bad businesses.
    Mr. Keramati, and all you others who support the Occupiers, the TEA party was here first. Come join us! All we want is sincere people who have principles and will stand up for our Constitution. And to fight the real culprit of our nation’s fi nancial mess — the Federal Reserve.

    JOHN A. GAETANI
    Glenville

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Latest news report is that the City of Albany may take the protestors to court.

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Writer wrong about Occupiers’ peacefulness

    Re Dec. 1 letter, “Name-calling no way to dismiss ‘Occupiers’”: Gary Guido seems to have the “peaceful assembly” a little bit wrong.
    In a nation of laws, peaceful assembly must include a permit (which the Occupiers did not have). Also, the rights of others must be considered. Businesses should not be affected and law and order must be observed. The Occupiers broke several laws, confronted pedestrians and police, and even “coached” crime victims not to go to law enforcement offi cials.
    [Billionaire fi nancier] George Soros and his network of “loons” are fi nancially supporting the Occupy movement. I am not sorry I called them loons because no one is forcing the Occupiers to live here (United States). They should go to a country like Russia, Iran or China.
    Mr. Guido didn’t complain when the left and mainstream media called the tea party “terrorists,” or when Obama called the American people “lazy.” The Occupy movement seems to follow President Obama’s class-war rhetoric — to get people arguing amongst each other and create chaos.
    I believe less than 10 percent of the Occupiers were looking for recognition, but they were caught up with those who want “handouts.” They had their pot, drugs, sex, etc., and for free.
    Does Gary Guido think that human waste was left at the “town square” by the patriots who sowed the seeds of the American Revolution?

    WILLIAM J. FRANCO
    Schenectady

http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r00905&AppName=1

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Between the end of 2008 and 2009, it gave banks $7.7 trillion printed out of thin air at below-market rates. Guess who paid for that?

The brainless pot head occupiers have  yet to realize that they should be occupying Washington! They are a joke!

Ex. Goldman Sachs executive, ex-Jersey Governor, ex-Jersey Senator, DEMOCRAT Jon Corzine lost $1.2 BILLION and these idiots are camping in city parks.  Priceless!!!  

Some people just can't read between the lines.  Unlike the conservative Tea Party people that realized they were being screwed by the RINO's in the Republican Party, it seem the liberal wing of the Democrat Party is having trouble swallowing the fact that the Democrat Party they supported their whole life, is not much different than the Republican Party they were told to hate.  Conservatives are in the process of cleaning out the Republican barn.  If these occupiers were serious they would begin to understand they were lied to and taken for granted their whole lives by the Democrats, then start to bring down the curtain on the Democrat Party and help expose the two party hoax.

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Ex. Goldman Sachs executive, ex-Jersey Governor, ex-Jersey Senator, DEMOCRAT Jon Corzine lost $1.2 BILLION and these idiots are camping in city parks.  Priceless!!!  

Some people just can't read between the lines.  Unlike the conservative Tea Party people that realized they were being screwed by the RINO's in the Republican Party, it seem the liberal wing of the Democrat Party is having trouble swallowing the fact that the Democrat Party they supported their whole life, is not much different than the Republican Party they were told to hate.  Conservatives are in the process of cleaning out the Republican barn.  If these occupiers were serious they would begin to understand they were lied to and taken for granted their whole lives by the Democrats, then start to bring down the curtain on the Democrat Party and help expose the two party hoax.

CHA-CHING!!!!!

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What are the Occupiers protesting? What do you got?

    When was the last time you borrowed money at zero percent interest, as the banks “too big to fail” did from the Federal Reserve to the tune of $7.77 trillion? That the money was paid back without generating losses isn’t the point: Wall Street thrives; Main Street suffers.
    The occupiers of Wall Street and other venues are accused of being inarticulate regarding their demands. Perhaps it’s because we are outraged about a host of problems. My admittedly incomplete list follows:
    Voting rights and the GOP’s attempts in many states to abrogate them by insisting on voter IDs and shortening days for voting; hydrofracking, which could endanger our drinking water; mortgage fraud and bundling of toxic mortgages; jobs shipped overseas; Grover Norquist trumping the constitutional oath of office of the GOP by insisting they sign a promise to never increase taxes; Bush tax cuts that mostly benefi t the wealthy, even though unpaid for; the Supreme Court’s 5-4 decisions declaring that money equals speech and that corporations are people; huge bonuses on Wall Street; the suggestion that a fl at tax would be fair to everyone; the GOP’s war on women.
    When there are so many problems, many of which the GOP is responsible for, it’s easy to be inarticulate about why the occupiers are protesting.
    The GOP (“Greedy Obstructionist Prigs”) appears to care about two things only: protection of the wealthy and ensuring that President Obama is a one-term president. Jobs? Not a priority for the GOP, and neither is protecting the middle class and working poor. At this writing, the payroll tax cut extension was defeated by the GOP — again.
    One last thing: Since when did one’s religious beliefs qualify an individual to be dog catcher, let alone president of the United States? Check out Article VI of the Constitution — “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any offi ce or public trust under the United States.” Do religionists of all stripes believe that they have cornered the market on ethical behavior? No, they haven’t. That much is obvious.

    CYNTHIA SWANSON
    Niskayuna

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the middle class is 'fading' because they are getting grey and becoming the aging boomers.....and the 'job-scape' has changed and society has decided what is a liveable wage by what they purchase.
sure,,,keep going to those dollar stores and such to 'save' money....apparently it didn't work otherwise folks would have fluffy bank accounts and cash INSTEAD OF CREDIT would be king