The arguments posted here which are against the CVS at 4 corners are the biggest pile of bull sh*t that I have ever seen. You folks b**ch about the taxes being too high and then b**ch about any new development which would help reduce the tax burden. It is that kind of thinking -- saying NO to any progress which has crippled Rotterdam for the past 50 years -- and unless attitudes change ... Rotterdam will be left in the dust when it comes to economic development.
The arguments posted here which are against the CVS at 4 corners are the biggest pile of bull sh*t that I have ever seen. You folks b**ch about the taxes being too high and then b**ch about any new development which would help reduce the tax burden. It is that kind of thinking -- saying NO to any progress which has crippled Rotterdam for the past 50 years -- and unless attitudes change ... Rotterdam will be left in the dust when it comes to economic development.
Listen............ya wanna talk about bullsh!t..........the city of schenectady/metroplex/gillen promised over a decade ago that all new development would reduce taxes.............NOT!!! Instead the schenectady has the highest taxes in the state of NEW YORK!! And ya can't blame the reps any more....cause this has all been promised and failed under the liberals watch!!
The more taxes that are raised....the more patronage jobs and ridiculous government hand out programs........with no relief to the taxpayers.
So cut the crap!! TAX AND SPEND is what the liberal socialists do best..........HISTORICALLY!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The arguments posted here which are against the CVS at 4 corners are the biggest pile of bull sh*t that I have ever seen. You folks b**ch about the taxes being too high and then b**ch about any new development which would help reduce the tax burden. It is that kind of thinking -- saying NO to any progress which has crippled Rotterdam for the past 50 years -- and unless attitudes change ... Rotterdam will be left in the dust when it comes to economic development.
You REALLY have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE, do you??????
1. A "mega" pharmacy does NOT belong in a RESIDENTIAL area!!!!!!! Quiet little residential streets are NOT the place for heavy traffic and the huge delivery trucks.
2. SMALL businesses are fine
3. There is lotsS of WIDE OPEN space to put a mega store where it will NOT infringe on a heavy concentration of residential homes with FAMILIES and their children who play outside and wait for buses and the families that walk the area for instance to go to Curry Freeze on a hot summer evening. This is the much of the same reason that people opposed the Walmart supercenter, people did not want the loud delivery noise all night, the bright lights, and just feet away from their back yards.
4. Just tell the board and call CVS to build the place next door or across the street from where you sponge of others.
5. With all the MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY EXISTING pharmacies in town, WHY is yet another even necessary.
6. What has CVS done with their other two closed stores -- on Altamont Ave and on Hamburg St? The one on Altamont is still vacant, no renting from the owners of Hannaford Plaza yet. And, tell us DV, hows that one on Hamburg St doing? What is CVS doing with that empty building?
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Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
The arguments posted here which are against the CVS at 4 corners are the biggest pile of bull sh*t that I have ever seen. You folks b**ch about the taxes being too high and then b**ch about any new development which would help reduce the tax burden. It is that kind of thinking -- saying NO to any progress which has crippled Rotterdam for the past 50 years -- and unless attitudes change ... Rotterdam will be left in the dust when it comes to economic development.
Oh yeah, now I DEFY you to answer this one!!!!!!!
Explain to us HOW the tax burden on the HOMEOWNERS will be reduced when a your dems exempt the new business from paying proeprty & school taxes????? Huh?????
Answer THAT one DV!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on, answer that!!!!!!!!!!!!
See, again PROOF POSITIVE that you are not now NOR HAVE EVER BEEN a taxpayer (if you were a taxpayer you would NOT have written what you did).
Think of it this way. A property is assessed for $1 million and taxes are being paid on it. But in comes a business building a brand new store and the assessed value of the property increases to $5 million. However the place is given a property tax exemption. What now happens is a HUGE HUGE tax INCREASE on the homeowners because the tax burden of the property is passed, forcibly, on to the homeowners.
Where the HELL do you think the taxes come from on businesses that are given tax exemptions?
This is what has happened in downtown Schenectady DV! I trust you did see the story in the paper yesterday, and posted on these boards that references that the TAXABLE value of property has gone down and so the tax BILLS rise!!!!!!!!! And how I, with my intelligent mind, posted an explanation of why this happens!
Of course, as you are not nor have EVER been a homeowner paying taxes, you can't comprehend this. Guess your Catholic high school didn't teach you reading comprehension. Or was it the Mont Pleasant High school that didn't teach you reading comprehension. Yeah, lies
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Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent. Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
Wow, don't tell anyone, but I agree with Ronnie on this one.
Go figure.
And I'm 100% with Bumblethru. If you want tax relief I'll tell you where to get it. I did some research on the State Comptrollers website as to how much revenue the County collects in sales tax. Ranges from 80 -85 million per year. Metroplex gives Rotterdam about a million per year which is about 8.5% of the Town Budget needed to be raised by taxes. Ask your elected officials to have Metroplex DOUBLE the payback since the economy is so bad. That would relieve every tax payer another 8.5%. Now that savings you could feel! So I told you where to get tax relief, but good luck getting it!
With development comes responsibility to protect residents' properties and value. It is not an endeavor to jam square pegs into round holes. MT I always had respect for your position on things, but you are way off base on this one. Your posts sound more like desperation, and if that is true, I feel bad for you and others with the same struggle. Where is your outrage over the lost REMS ALS billing monies, or the prior Town Clerk's MIA salary for a year and a half, or the PILOT for the commercial Long Pond? More money has bled through this Town than you could ever hope to recoup by CVS or any other developer.
And I'm 100% with Bumblethru. If you want tax relief I'll tell you where to get it. I did some research on the State Comptrollers website as to how much revenue the County collects in sales tax. Ranges from 80 -85 million per year. Metroplex gives Rotterdam about a million per year which is about 8.5% of the Town Budget needed to be raised by taxes. Ask your elected officials to have Metroplex DOUBLE the payback since the economy is so bad. That would relieve every tax payer another 8.5%. Now that savings you could feel! So I told you where to get tax relief, but good luck getting it!
With development comes responsibility to protect residents' properties and value. It is not an endeavor to jam square pegs into round holes. MT I always had respect for your position on things, but you are way off base on this one. Your posts sound more like desperation, and if that is true, I feel bad for you and others with the same struggle. Where is your outrage over the lost REMS ALS billing monies, or the prior Town Clerk's MIA salary for a year and a half, or the PILOT for the commercial Long Pond? More money has bled through this Town than you could ever hope to recoup by CVS or any other developer.
I can respect your opinion - as you respect mine. I've got no horse in this race other than the tax bill at the end of the year.
That's the last I'm gonna say on the subject I guess, I've been overruled - and that's fine - but it is MY opinion, nobody else's
Ranges from 80 -85 million per year. Metroplex gives Rotterdam about a million per year which is about 8.5% of the Town Budget needed to be raised by taxes.
EXACTLY!!!! The reason that the METROPLEX/GILLEN pushed for all of these businesses was so that THEY could collect MILLIONS AND MILLIONS in sales tax to build their cozy little empire.....PERIOD!! And they hand picked the 'select few' from the friends and family club to reap some of those benefits. Many folks (developers/contractors)have become millionaires off the MILLIONS in sales tax money!!! Then to add insult to injury, these newly developed business pay LITTLE TO NO TAXES!! Leaving the home owners to shoulder the tax burden. IT WAS NEVER ABOUT RELIEVING THE TAXPAYERS OF THEIR TAX BURDEN......IT WAS ALL ABOUT THEM AND THEIR GREED!!!
So cut the crap about how new businesses are going to lower taxes!! Historically it has NEVER HAPPENED!!! And it will be no different with the proposed cvs in rotterdam. Don't kid yourselves!!! Cvs will get a pilot, contribute sales tax dollars to the METROPLEX/GILLEN EMPIRE, leave and empty building at 5 corners and on broadway (just like on Hamburg street) and will disrupt the quality of life of an entire residential area....not to mention the traffic issue!!
It don't take a rocket scientist here folks....really!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The problem with this town is that the leaders knuckle under to business at any chance they get. CVS is the first time I've actually seen a couple stand up for what is right. It was refreshing and unexpected...and lucky, since Mike Viscusi would have sent it to the public hearing...and then approved the zone change.
A few years back, Steve Tommasone was really pushing these corridor studies and he was on the right track. They are a framework for what the town wants to see in the future. But then he got booted and all of them got swept under the carpet. I don't think any of them made it to the comprehensive plan.
Funny, 'cause other towns in Schenectady County developed right. You don't hear folks in Glenville or Niskayuna bitching about a CVS forcing its way into a residential neighborhood. And yet in Rotterdam, it looks like someone just barfed development across the town. No foresight...catering to builders...lots of sketchy dirty sh*t under the table...and what you get is no main street, a crappy stretch of urban sprawl and a dilapidated mall built over what was once both a fantastic ecosystem and historical property...and residential development dropped next to industrial areas...and commercial development dropped in the middle of residential areas...
Buffardi, through his comments, doesn't sound like he's too concerned about how the town develops as long as it develops. And thus if you own a home in Rotterdam you better believe the next "fortune 500" company coming down the pike could land nextdoor to you.
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Some of the misinformation - actually OUTRIGHT LIES - being spread about the CVS project are: a) it would not be paying property tax .. when IN FACT CVS did not ask for a pilot or any public monies for this project; b) that CVS is a bad neighbor because of the condition of the former CVS on Hamburg St .. when IN FACT CVS never owned that building and only leased it; c) that the building would be "destroying a residential area" when IN FACT according to the comp plan and zoning map every property along Guilderland Avenue from from the city line to the West Shore Railroad is zoned business or (a few) industrial. d) that it doesn't matter if CVS leaves Rotterdam because Walgreen's will just move in and take its place -- when IN FACT the same "forces" who thwarted Wal-Marts and other major competitors --and is now trying to thwart CVS - would just mount an opposition campaign to ANY new project proposed. e) that NO ONE wants the project when IN FACT I have been called and approached by literally several dozen town residents who support the project because it would mean progress and increased tax base for the town.
The sad thing is that Rotterdam has been unfriendly to reasonable progress and development for years-- and I know that the town has lost a number of prospective projects (which never became public) because of the perception/reputation that the town has acquired nation-wide.
Look around the country - there are few towns in the entire country that have 6 (or 10 depending on how you count them) access points to the Interstate Highway System -- and there are MUCH SMALLER RURAL TOWNS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE with only 1 access point to the Interstate Highway System that have exploited for their benefit the tremendous asset of access to the system 100X better than Rotterdam.
The only thing standing between LOWER TAXES and a MUCH IMPROVED QUALITY OF LIFE for Rotterdam is the perpetual anti-progress and anti-development attitude of a LOUD AND INFLEXIBLE but definitely a minority of the town.
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The sad thing is that Rotterdam has been unfriendly to reasonable progress and development for years--
The only thing standing between LOWER TAXES and a MUCH IMPROVED QUALITY OF LIFE for Rotterdam is the perpetual anti-progress and anti-development attitude of a LOUD AND INFLEXIBLE but definitely a minority of the town.
First cut the crap and lies!! UNFRIENDLY my a$$!!! Rotterdam is jam packed with businesses! How many markets? How many mom and pop stores? How many pizza shops? How many fast food joints? How many banks? How many gin mills? How many gas stations and auto repair shops? How many barber/beauty shops? How many malls? Florists? Dentists? Doctors? A market warehouse? A corporate/industrial park? Pharmacies? Give us a friggin' break PLEASE!! UNFRIENDLY???
Second.......the only thing standing between LOWER TAXES AND AN IMPROVED QUALITY OF LIFE in rotterdam......is the METROPLEX/GILLEN/TAX AND SPEND LIBERAL NUT JOBS!!!! Sorry...nobody is gonna fall for the bullsh!t lies about businesses bringing down taxes for the residents ANYMORE!! It is clearly just to increase the sales tax revenue so the METROPLEX/GILLEN EMPIRE can continue to grow, line the pockets of the few, while the homeowners foot the tax bill!!!
Just ask the folks who live in the city how the METROPLEX/GILLEN/LIBERAL NUT JOBS is working out for them! THE HIGHEST TAXES IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK!!
Peddle your bullsh!t somewhere else!!
Again........it don't take a rocket scientist here folks!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Some of the misinformation - actually OUTRIGHT LIES - being spread about the CVS project are: a) it would not be paying property tax .. when IN FACT CVS did not ask for a pilot or any public monies for this project; b) that CVS is a bad neighbor because of the condition of the former CVS on Hamburg St .. when IN FACT CVS never owned that building and only leased it; c) that the building would be "destroying a residential area" when IN FACT according to the comp plan and zoning map every property along Guilderland Avenue from from the city line to the West Shore Railroad is zoned business or (a few) industrial. d) that it doesn't matter if CVS leaves Rotterdam because Walgreen's will just move in and take its place -- when IN FACT the same "forces" who thwarted Wal-Marts and other major competitors --and is now trying to thwart CVS - would just mount an opposition campaign to ANY new project proposed. e) that NO ONE wants the project when IN FACT I have been called and approached by literally several dozen town residents who support the project because it would mean progress and increased tax base for the town.
The sad thing is that Rotterdam has been unfriendly to reasonable progress and development for years-- and I know that the town has lost a number of prospective projects (which never became public) because of the perception/reputation that the town has acquired nation-wide.
Look around the country - there are few towns in the entire country that have 6 (or 10 depending on how you count them) access points to the Interstate Highway System -- and there are MUCH SMALLER RURAL TOWNS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE with only 1 access point to the Interstate Highway System that have exploited for their benefit the tremendous asset of access to the system 100X better than Rotterdam.
The only thing standing between LOWER TAXES and a MUCH IMPROVED QUALITY OF LIFE for Rotterdam is the perpetual anti-progress and anti-development attitude of a LOUD AND INFLEXIBLE but definitely a minority of the town.
He speaks like a man with a paper a**hole..................but we already knew that.....................leave and never come back damned troll!!!!! you're irrelevant.
Some of the misinformation - actually OUTRIGHT LIES - being spread about the CVS project are: a) it would not be paying property tax .. when IN FACT CVS did not ask for a pilot or any public monies for this project; b) that CVS is a bad neighbor because of the condition of the former CVS on Hamburg St .. when IN FACT CVS never owned that building and only leased it; c) that the building would be "destroying a residential area" when IN FACT according to the comp plan and zoning map every property along Guilderland Avenue from from the city line to the West Shore Railroad is zoned business or (a few) industrial. d) that it doesn't matter if CVS leaves Rotterdam because Walgreen's will just move in and take its place -- when IN FACT the same "forces" who thwarted Wal-Marts and other major competitors --and is now trying to thwart CVS - would just mount an opposition campaign to ANY new project proposed. e) that NO ONE wants the project when IN FACT I have been called and approached by literally several dozen town residents who support the project because it would mean progress and increased tax base for the town.
The sad thing is that Rotterdam has been unfriendly to reasonable progress and development for years-- and I know that the town has lost a number of prospective projects (which never became public) because of the perception/reputation that the town has acquired nation-wide.
Look around the country - there are few towns in the entire country that have 6 (or 10 depending on how you count them) access points to the Interstate Highway System -- and there are MUCH SMALLER RURAL TOWNS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE with only 1 access point to the Interstate Highway System that have exploited for their benefit the tremendous asset of access to the system 100X better than Rotterdam.
The only thing standing between LOWER TAXES and a MUCH IMPROVED QUALITY OF LIFE for Rotterdam is the perpetual anti-progress and anti-development attitude of a LOUD AND INFLEXIBLE but definitely a minority of the town.
I have a copy of the Comp Plan, it is dated 2001, over a decade old. Comp Plan recommends Guilderland Ave. for commercial, key word being "recommend"! The Comp Plan also recommends that the existing residential be maintained. Any project can ask for a PILOT at any time, there is no time frame for requesting a PILOT. You are the only one on the Planning Commission in support of this project, What are the other more experienced members seeing that you don't? How is it that a resident not owning property in the Town even ends up making decisions for projects that impact taxpaying property owners? How can you demonstrate that all the other development and PILOTs have relieved the tax burden on the residents?
Exclusive: Legislator Claims Run For Office Led To Firing Santabarbara was fired from Chazen one day after disclosing Assembly plans By John Purcell As of Tuesday, February 21, 2012 -12:27 p.m.
#Schenectady County Legislator Angelo Santabarbara is claiming his state Assembly aspirations have led to him being fired from his job.
#The Chazen Companies on Tuesday, Feb. 14, fired Santabarbara, who has worked as a senior project manager and project engineer with the company for more than five years. It was one day after he informed his superiors in a letter of his intentions to run for a seat in the state Assembly.
#According to Santabarbara, the construction consulting firm told him he was let go because his department was being restructured and his position eliminated, but Santabarbara said he believes his decision to run for office played a part in his sudden termination.
#“I think it is important that people are not afraid to run for public office,” Santabarbara said. “I don’t think that’s right and I don’t think that’s fair.”
#Upon arriving to the office on the afternoon of Tuesday, Feb. 14, Santabarbara said he was called into a room with Senior Principal Daniel Stone, Senior Director of Business Development David Ardman and Vice President of Human Resources Lauren Gillett.
#“I sat down, and they said that this was about me running for office and I explained to them my intentions,” Santabarbara said on Thursday, Feb. 16. “Dan Stone, the owner, immediately said, or as soon as I was done … ‘running for office and you working here is not going to work.’ That is his exact words that I remember.”
#According to Santabarbara’s account, Stone said, “We are going to have to part ways.” July would have marked Santabarbara’s six-year anniversary at Chazen.
#Santabarbara said Gillet then said the reason for his termination was a restructuring of his department. Santabarbara said he was unaware of any restructuring efforts before the meeting at which he was fired..........................>>>>....................>>>>.....................................................http://www.spotlightnews.com/news/2012/feb/21/exclusive-legislator-claims-run-office-led-firing/
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