Gee that's funny Box I didn't hear anyone complain about the benefits that Verizon, Auto workers, Mine workers, Teamsters, or any other private union gets only the teachers and public sector unions were complained about. The difference being that the public sector unions wages/benefits are paid for by the taxpayers who have no say in how much the union gets, is that fair? As far as Medicare Pensions, and Health Insurance goes most of the Tea Party are already collecting those benefits so I doubt that they're against them only changes to them to keep them from going bankrupt.
TeaBaggers aren't just after Public Sector worker benefits... they make no distinction between Public and Private sector American workers, weather they are unionized or not. Right Wingers against Medicare Pensions, Health Insurance, minimum wage, effect all American workers, not just public sector jobs.
Government Medicare(Broke), Government Union Pensions(Broke), Government Health Insurance(Obamacare), Government price fixing(minimum wage).
You've been typing for 2 hours box, go take a coffee break.
Gee that's funny Box I didn't hear anyone complain about the benefits that Verizon, Auto workers, Mine workers, Teamsters, or any other private union gets only the teachers and public sector unions were complained about. The difference being that the public sector unions wages/benefits are paid for by the taxpayers who have no say in how much the union gets, is that fair? As far as Medicare Pensions, and Health Insurance goes most of the Tea Party are already collecting those benefits so I doubt that they're against them only changes to them to keep them from going bankrupt.
Jimmy Hoffa, Jr. is president of the Teamsters Union. He represents workers across America in both public and private unions. Attacking the minimum wage effects mostly private workers, not public employees.
This is a war between Working Americans and Corporations... and the Right is backing Corporations.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
This is a war between Working Americans and Corporations... and the Right is backing Corporations.
Nice try…The “war” (the violent rhetoric that was chastised after Gabby Gifford shooting is not suddenly OK) is between government unions and the taxpayers, and the taxpayers and the corporations and banks...The taxpayer is getting screwed from both ends. Most non-co-opted Tea Party supporters understand that this isn't a one side or the other polarizing argument, whether it's the unsustainable public pension and contracts, or the unsustainable corporate (GE no income tax - thanks Obama) and social welfare. Government bureaucrats would love for American's to take their eye off the real problem, and that's a federal government entrenched with organized labor and corporate special interests that are choking Middle America.
Over the past decades, ALL the special interests have taken control of Washington and have consolidated their power creating two classes of citizen - The ruling elite and the ruled.
The sad part is, the union membership will do the bidding for the elites like Jimmy Hoffa Jr. for the table scraps thrown to them by the rulers. Like a dog waiting for a pork chop bone.
Hoffa is a showman, his job is to agitate and polarize the workers and fuel the two party charade. Hoffa is a useful idiot convincing his members to believe they are powerless without his stewardship and the Democrat Party. After his speech, the workers go back to work, while Hoffa, Obama, and Jeff Immelt are eating filet mignon and lobster, cutting a sweat deal for themselves and discussing how they can maintain power with the members union dues.
Very true Cicero well said. The useful idiots will be left holding the empty bag when these elites are done with them. The major corruption is in the International Unions who have joined forces with the Socialists and Communists in an attempt to leverage the government into what they want.
Attacking the minimum wage effects mostly private workers, not public employees.
Not true, considering when minimum wage goes up, the basic essentials for ALL go up due to the cost to supply those essentials goes up, since it costs more to pay the employees who make the items, stock the shelves, ring you out, etc. goes up. The employer does not eat these costs, he passes it on to the consumer. That's why when the miniumum wage goes up, the price of everything else does, too. And it doesn't matter if you work for a private company or the government, you will be paying these higher costs, unless you can show me a store that has one price for union employees and another price for everyone else. What, you show your union card / government workers' ID to get the discount? By the way, what is the current price of gas for those who work for the government. Just wondering if it's around the same price as the rest of us, if you say it's so different.
Not true, considering when minimum wage goes up, the basic essentials for ALL go up due to the cost to supply those essentials goes up, since it costs more to pay the employees who make the items, stock the shelves, ring you out, etc. goes up. The employer does not eat these costs, he passes it on to the consumer. That's why when the miniumum wage goes up, the price of everything else does, too. And it doesn't matter if you work for a private company or the government, you will be paying these higher costs, unless you can show me a store that has one price for union employees and another price for everyone else. What, you show your union card / government workers' ID to get the discount? By the way, what is the current price of gas for those who work for the government. Just wondering if it's around the same price as the rest of us, if you say it's so different.
When the minimum wage increases, it only effects those on the bottom or near the bottom. Those who are barely making enough to survive. CEO's (and most other workers) don't get a raise just because the minimum wage increases.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
When the minimum wage increases, it only effects those on the bottom or near the bottom. Those who are barely making enough to survive. CEO's (and most other workers) don't get a raise just because the minimum wage increases.
You're not seeing it for what it is, though Box. In fact, it affects the minimum wage workers the least. The fact is, they are making more money, therefore the products they sell cost more. They already get the raise, therefore offsetting the difference in price for them to go buy them. The CEO's (and most other workers), as you put it, don't get the raise, and therefore buying the necessities takes a larger portion of their paychecks, leaving lower disposable income to purchase other items that they would normally buy. I'm not saying it's a large amount of their money, but over time, it is. If there wasn't a minimum wage and the lower end of workers were still getting what they did years ago, think how much cheaper your grocery shopping would be, milk, bread, cereal, coffee, etc all go up due to many things, one of which is the price that the store owners / managers have to pay their employees.
When the minimum wage increases, it only effects those on the bottom or near the bottom. Those who are barely making enough to survive. CEO's (and most other workers) don't get a raise just because the minimum wage increases.
Minimum wage artifically fixes labor rates which actually HURTS those on or near the bottom. If minimum wage is $8 per hour, and a business can only afford $16 per hour worth of labor to stay in business, they can't hire 3 workers willing to work for $5($15) instead they have to hire 2 workers for $8($16) and increase productivity.
Like most liberal policies, minimum wage actually hurts more of the people it was intended to help.
Minimum wage artifically fixes labor rates which actually HURTS those on or near the bottom. If minimum wage is $8 per hour, and a business can only afford $16 per hour worth of labor to stay in business, they can't hire 3 workers willing to work for $5($15) instead they have to hire 2 workers for $8($16) and increase productivity.
Like most liberal policies, minimum wage actually hurts more of the people it was intended to help.
It's all so simple. Just like that. One poor minimum wage peon gets to work for pennies... for the greater good of the company. A typical Conservative simplistic solution to a complex problem.
So say the head of that corporation is paid $1million dollars a year. Instead they could hire a comparable CEO for $900,000 a year and pay 4 of their lowest employees $25,000 a year. The company would gain productivity, suffer no loss and hire an extra 4 employees.
But that scenario never seems to come up at any Conservative conversation. Conservatives feed on the bottom to reward the Rich. (See the GWB Tax Cuts For the Rich)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
It's all so simple. Just like that. One poor minimum wage peon gets to work for pennies... for the greater good of the company. A typical Conservative simplistic solution to a complex problem.
So say the head of that corporation is paid $1million dollars a year. Instead they could hire a comparable CEO for $900,000 a year and pay 4 of their lowest employees $25,000 a year. The company would gain productivity, suffer no loss and hire an extra 4 employees.
But that scenario never seems to come up at any Conservative conversation. Conservatives feed on the bottom to reward the Rich. (See the GWB Tax Cuts For the Rich)
So do you suggest a CEO MAXIMUM WAGE? How about a middle management MIDDLE WAGE? How about from each according the their ability, to each according to their need? Let's price control everything...Why stop a labor...Our central planners know best.
I can't tell you the number of young kids I couldn't hire because I could not afford to pay them minimum wage (because the work they could have done for my small firm would not have justified it.) So all of the other workers have to work harder and pick up the slack including me. Some workers come in and they should be paying ME to have a place to go to learn things they are such crappy workers, others I gladly pay double the minimum wage. Why? Because some are not twice but even three or four times more productive, learn immediately, have no discipline, respect, communication, learning, hygiene or other issues which impair them.
Most people don't realize this unless they are in close proximity to the so-called minimum wage workforce. In my business we have some low level positions which could be filled, but are not because of the mentally challenged democrap politicians with great intentions.
However the prevalent democrap "give the middle finger to da' man" culture that the liberal society has foisted on the populace (which really sucks) makes these crumbs unemployable. Victims of the dems.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
So do you suggest a CEO MAXIMUM WAGE? How about a middle management MIDDLE WAGE? How about from each according the their ability, to each according to their need? Let's price control everything...Why stop a labor...Our central planners know best.
"So do you suggest a CEO MAXIMUM WAGE?" Of course not Cicero... A CEO MAXIMUM WAGE? That is your hallucination, not in my post.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Box only talks in terms of CEO's and million dollar "fat cats" on Wall St. He bought into the caricature created by the big government anti-capitalists. Sub shop and pizza shops and other small businesses run by the bourgeois don't even register as a real business that would benefit from hiring 16 year old labor just entering the workforce, to do low skill jobs.
Slave labor ended in this country... remember the US Civil war??? If you want to hire a kid (or anyone) then pay them a reasonable wage. Don't complain if you can't afford to hire them at 'slave wages', because they can't afford to live on 'slave wages'.
If you can't afford to pay minimum wage, then don't expect to hire someone for below minimum wages.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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