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Come on Joe!  You're trying to convince all these readers that your downfall and the downfall of the GOP in the county is because of the
"brass of the RPD".  You have to give them something better than puff puff toke toke.  



it's not far from the truth....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Joe Surhada's (GB's) "downfall" was due to his own irritating personality and his ineptitude -- he didn't need anyone else to bring him down .. he was already swimming in the sewer.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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The BRASS (Mr. DelGallo and Mr. Godlewski) are trying to harm the "Cops" who are the police in the street, doing a job no one will do for so little pay.......HOORAY for the First Responders and DOWN with the DelGallo/NNN Criminal Syndicate!
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Looking Twice at Pension Double-Dipping

Should full pensions be allowed if you keep working?

BY: Girard Miller | December 17, 2009





Girard Miller
Girard Miller is the Public Money columnist for GOVERNING and a senior strategist at the PFM Group.










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Recent news coverage in USA Today highlighted the public-sector practice of "double dipping" -- receiving pension benefits intended for retirement purposes while drawing a salary with another employer (or in some cases, the same employer).

Pension watchdogs loathe double-dippers, and progressive reformers are now wondering whether something is indeed wrong when retirement benefits are paid to employees who are obviously capable of earning an income. Critics say the practice is akin to doling out farm subsidies for big, successful farmers who are already making good money.

Most notorious are senior management employees, police and fire chiefs, and others who draw six-figure pensions before age 60, and then work for another employer at the six-figure level. Some states are considering legislation to curb what are perceived as abuses.

There are several sides to this issue, and I'll try to provide an objective analysis and provoke a thoughtful debate to encourage suitable and sensible reforms. For starters, I'll suggest that with a few notable exceptions - such as the former California administrator who manipulated his way to a $500,000 lifetime pension - most public employees have earned a right to a decent and modest public pension that assures them a secure retirement. If they work part-time in a second career after toiling for 30 years at $50,000 or less, I have no issue with their work ethic and their right to supplemental income to pay for travel or a new car. That's not what this column is about, however. We're focused here on the highly visible double-dippers who game the system to collect big money from a system that never intended to create pension millionaires and pension aristocrats at taxpayer expense.

Replacement income vs. deferred compensation. Pensions were intended to provide retirement security, not pre-retirement wealth. To provide security, they should provide replacement income in retirement. Replacement income is not dual income. Pensions were not designed to be "deferred compensation" as some would argue. IRS codes provide plenty of arrangements for deferred compensation, including 457 plans common in the public sector which limit the annual contributions and thus the total accumulations that can be withdrawn later. That said, there are some parallels to consider when evaluating the double-dip phenomenon. We should always think about how we would feel if a corporate employee with a 401(k) plan begins to withdraw retirement plan assets while working for another employer. If the net financial result is the same for a double-dipper, then the problem is not with the pension system. Conversely, if a pension recipient receives benefits unavailable through a defined contribution plan, including tax preferences, then suspicions should arise.

A lack of self-awareness. Most public employees feel that they have earned their pensions, but many seem to be unaware of how much earlier they are able to receive substantial benefits than their counterparts in the private sector. It is their entitlement to pre-retirement income that is disputed by the watchdogs. Many of the early "retirees" who double-dip clearly view their pension as deferred compensation and pre-retirement income, not retirement security. They also tend to overlook the gamesmanship that transpires in the pubic pension arena, where workers can transfer service credits from one employer to another and parlay benefits that could never be attained in the corporate world. Portability is one thing; triple-dipping is another.

Double-dipping would be much less frequent if public employees were required to work until Medicare or Social Security age before retiring -- unless they take an actuarial reduction in their pension, just like early retirees under Social Security. Such a system would impose a financial penalty on early retirees which would also reduce the costs of funding the system properly. Then, an employee could supplement her reduced pension with outside income from a second career or a job with a new employer.

Unfortunately, it is difficult to impose such requirements on incumbent employees who view their pension benefits as property rights. Some states have laws making their benefits irreversible once they are vested. However, there are other ways for legislatures to skin this cat, including an excise tax on double-dippers, as I'll discuss below.

For retirees who have reached Medicare and Social Security age, the double-dipping issues are less prevalent. Historically, most workers quit laboring at that point. However, there are new issues that we as a society must face as Baby Boomers reject their parents' shuffleboard retirement paradigm and seek relevance in our society by working in a second career. In most cases, they will downshift to lower-compensated work that gives them personal satisfaction and a sense of involvement with lower stress. What we need to think through is whether the pension should be adjusted in such instances.

Tax the double-dippers? Financially strapped states could impose an excise tax or an income surtax on double-dip income, which would be one way to restore funds to the pension system. For example, states could collect a 15 to 25 percent surtax on income received while earning more than 50 percent of the annual pension, or a similar surtax if combined pension and earned income exceeds the employee's previous five years' average income. The latter arrangement would also address excessive pension ratios.

Low-income retirees and those older than 66 should be exempted, of course. I would prefer to see the tax revenues returned to the pension systems, especially if they are significantly underfunded. This would be an example of a tax that produces in insignificant statewide revenue, but serves as an equalizer for public policy purposes.

Federal law imposes a 15 percent surtax on early distributions before age 59 1/2 in qualified defined contribution plans. I'd say that what is good for the goose is good for the gander and that a similar tax should apply to early pension payments that are not actuarially reduced or reflective of a 30-year career. An excise tax on premature pension distributions could be triggered by excessive supplemental employment earnings prior to Social Security age (for state taxes) and age 59 1/2 for federal taxpayers.

Presently, 10 states do not tax public employee pensions, and some of them will be forced to consider pension income taxes as revenue-raising measures -- including Michigan, which offers the biggest loopholes. I won't be surprised to see legislators and pension watchdogs in several of these states take a hard look at the double-dipping issue when the general tax policy for pension income is reviewed.

Allow a benefit-bump instead. An alternative approach to mitigating the double-dipper syndrome is to reduce pensioners' benefits while they receive outside income, and then permit them to receive a bonus payment later in the form of an increased annuity. The Social Security system has figured this out, so why haven't pension funds? For example, a pensioner entitled to a $40,000 benefit while working a second job could receive $20,000 in a reduced pension while still working, and then receive a pension greater than $40,000 after leaving the workforce altogether. The increased life pension after age 66 would be approximately one-fifteenth of the reduction taken each year, so in this example, a three-year pension reduction of $20,000 annually for double-dipping before age 66 would entitle the her to a subsequent increase of $4,000 annually for life -- thus an enriched $44,000 pension thereafter.

If faced with an excise tax, double-dippers could elect this reconfiguration of their pensions, minimize taxes, and still come out equal actuarially. Some may actually prefer this arrangement because of high marginal federal tax rates on their combined income while they work the second job. In fact, there may be other ordinary pensioners who would prefer to elect a deferral arrangement, which might even include enhanced spousal survival benefits if properly designed by the actuaries. Obviously IRS codes or letter opinions may need adjustment to enable such flexibility, but that will become increasingly necessary as Baby Boomers adopt alternative lifestyles in their retirement years.

We need creative solutions, not finger-pointing. I don't purport to have all the answers here, but our lawmakers and taxing authorities need to address these thorny problems. For starters, we obviously need to raise the regular retirement ages for public pension plans to align them with Social Security, which would eliminate most of the double-dipping. Other reforms such as those suggested above would eliminate the remaining abuses by incumbent employees whose benefits formulas are untouchable. Otherwise public confidence in the public-sector retirement system will continue to erode and future employees will bear the brunt of the punishment for the sins of their predecessors.



You may use or reference this story with attribution and a link to
http://www.governing.com/columns/public-money/Looking-Twice-at-Pension.html


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I just saw on WTEN news that the debris in Rotterdam Junction is once again
piled up on both sides of the street.  They called our fearless leader FDG and
he said "it will all be cleaned up this week."  The residents said that they have
heard that story before....WAY TO GO FDG!  Put your political money where your
fat mouth is and get the $hit cleaned up dumbass!
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Mr. Delgallo is a boob who will not listen to, or work with anyone. He and his sidekick -- Mr. Godlewski -- will soon be thrown out on their backsides by a much inflamed public...Thankfully for the fine folks of Rotterdam Junction the Magnificent Seven Plus Diane is riding in on white horses to save them!
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More like white 1982 Ford Fairlanes or LTDs. They had better make sure their old spendthrift ideas and old rides have plenty of GREECE so they don't break down in front of everyone...


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Quoted from Patches
Brotherhood I know

isn't that what led to Serpico's attemped assasination?


There are still 'Serpico's' out there. They just haven't spoken out yet! In time....in time!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Channel 10 news had news on what is going on in the Junction....street is filled with discarded items .

my suggestion would be to the Highway Dept.

All winter long you see our trucks hauling away snow every day.....2 men in the truck (they don't have to leave the warmth)....loader with one man
filling the truck....away it goes....all day long.

Now, the 2 men won't be able to sit in the truck....they would have to actually work throwing the garbage into the
truck, and helped by the man in the loader.

LET'S GET THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT WORKING TO CLEAN UP THE JUNCTION.
THEY CAN LET THE LEAVES AND BRUSH GO FOR A FEW WEEKS...HELP THESE PEOPLE...

OR DO WHAT THEY DO IN THE CITY....HIRE INDEPENDANT TRUCKS TO HELP WITH THIS WORK
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Rotterdam Junction residents want flood debris removed
Posted: Oct 18, 2011 12:20 AM EDT
By Robert Boyd - email

ALBANY - Residents in Rotterdam Junction are getting frustrated as debris from Hurricane Irene continues to pile up outside their homes.

"Look at it, it looks terrible, it's not what everyone wants to see in their front yard," said Jean Mace, who is one of dozens of residents living along Main Street to see their homes severely damaged due to flooding.

For the past several weeks, the residents have been piling everything from carpeting, to insulation, to dry wall in their yards or some cases the streets. They are angry that the town of Rotterdam has taken at least two weeks to pick it up.

"We just need help need getting it cleaned up, if they just came by once a week, I'd be happy if they came by every two weeks," said Mace.

Residents said working with Rotterdam during the weeks following the floods has been difficult.

"You don't get a direct answer, nothing, and that's what's sad," said Mace.............>>>>..................>>>>.........................http://www.wten.com/story/1571.....p;utm_medium=twitter
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Rotterdam needs a new highway superintendent -- VOTE FOR VINCE ROMANO


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
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This is a comment thread that involves the cleanup in the Junction on facebook, but also lets you know what's going on as far as the election in Rotterdam.  I have removed the names of the posters, but most can probably find this rather easily.


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During all of your ordeals, from garbage pick up, demolition, FEMA, etc, have our local elected officials done anything? Just curious since the election is coming up.
Like ·  · Follow Post · Friday at 10:58pm near Rotterdam Junction


I mean Del Gallo and his group?
Friday at 10:59pm via mobile · Like

Tonko was at one meeting at the firehouse, but I didn't go to it. I'm voting for Channel 10 at the next election. They show up and things get done. LOL
Friday at 11:07pm · Like ·  2 people

Del Gallo's fat butt did come to that town meeting but sneaked out mid meeting when people started asking him questions and he got the deer in headlights look. Had no answers then left.

Jim Tedissco though was personally at my house helping me off load all of our supplies (Sheet rock, insulation, plywood, etc..) then helped us hang the insulation. There were no news crews around at the time either.
Yesterday at 12:34am · Like ·  2 people

<~~NOT voting for DelGallo...ever!
Yesterday at 9:29am · Like ·  2 people


Reignite Rotterdam
c/o MARY L. FAHY


Kidney Wheels, (800) 999-9697
http://www.HealthyKidneys.org


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Donations for flood victims
By: Web Staff


SCHENECTADY COUNTY, N.Y. -- Assemblyman George Amedore and local businesses come together to make sure those hit hard by Tropical Storm Irene and the remnants of Lee will stay warm this winter.
Cars full of coats were delivered to Mariaville Elementary School in Pattersonville Tuesday. Organizers say 300 coats and other items will be available for those in need.

"We have a house ware department with blankets, sheets and curtains. We have dishes - sets of dishes. People can come as many times as they need to. I know many are still struggling to get into their homes but they can take what they need for now and then come back when they are in their house," said Deanne Johnson, Regional Distribution Center co-director.

The coats were donated and cleaned by Sondra’s Fine Jewelry in Schenectady.

To make an appointment, you can call (51 424-0992 or (51 229-6492.

http://capitalregion.ynn.com/content/headlines/563887/donations-for-flood-victims/
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I am calling on Highway Superintendent Longo to RESIGN due to his incompetent response to the disaster that is Rotterdam Junction....Many resident of Rotterdam Junction have prevailed upon me to speak for those who have no voice -- the disenfranchised and good people of the Junction -- who have gotten the shaft where the sun doesn't shine FROM JIM LONGO.
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Amedore is already on it.....Good man.....
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