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This was a ploy by the GOP to keep WalMart out  


Wrong yet again raspy.....this was a ploy by the rotterdam 'RESIDENTS and SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS' to keep walmart out. The tommasone administration did the unthinkable.................THEY LISTENED!!!!

Something REVITALIZE ROTTERDAM should have done for the rotterdam floral ave residents, eh? Ya know, the one that wc admitted that he didn't understand what it was he was actually voting on but he was voting 'yes' anyway!!! OMG

Yup....that is called responsible development and great representation!!!


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Smokescreen that the well informed voters of the town saw through.  Mertz out, Parisi out, Tomassone out, McGarry got thumped, Fiorillo thumped, Signore three time loser, Suhrada out, Surprise out and you want to keep peddling the Tomassone Admin listened????  

Give it up  HB team sails to victory....in spite of Floral Avenue.   You are a joke! HeeHeeHee
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Hey....I'm not defending tomassone..........just callz em as I seez em.....And the tommasone administration was spot on when it came to responsible development and quality of life for rotterdam residents.

This critical impact legislation was overdue for rotterdam.

And isn't it just a wee bit funny how Mr. Brick used Glenville as a role model for development? Glenville is REPUBLICAN!!! DUH!


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If Buffardi and Calder are elected - Rotterdam will become just a borough of the City and become an over taxed Cop Town.


The sad thing is that you and your ilk are constantly bad-mouthing and attacking our men and women in uniform.   The police in Rotterdam and elsewhere  --- do a job that 99% of us would never want to do -- they lay their lives on the line every day for our safety and security.  

McGarry hates the police so much that he wants to unilaterally disband the department -- and Cicero and his other lap dogs seem to think it is a great idea.



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BTW --- a lot of Rotterdam residents wanted the Super Wal-Mart to be built  HERE  .. instead Glenville got it.

Tommasone and Mertz mishandled the whole Wal-Mart situation -- that is why Rotterdam lost several big projects 6 years ago.   We are still tainted by the   "we hate business" reputation -- that Tommasone and Mertz  pinned on our town.


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The sad thing is that you and your ilk are constantly bad-mouthing and attacking our men and women in uniform.   The police in Rotterdam and elsewhere  --- do a job that 99% of us would never want to do -- they lay their lives on the line every day for our safety and security.  

McGarry hates the police so much that he wants to unilaterally disband the department -- and Cicero and his other lap dogs seem to think it is a great idea.



No one is bad mouthing cops here! The fact of the matter is HB and WC are liberal dems that happen to have graced law enforcement and rotterdamians have had it with them......PERIOD! And rotterdamians do NOT want to be saddled with a million dollar public safety building. The electorate already spoke on the rems vote.....NO NEW TAXES!!


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BTW --- a lot of Rotterdam residents wanted the Super Wal-Mart to be built  HERE  .. instead Glenville got it.

Tommasone and Mertz mishandled the whole Wal-Mart situation -- that is why Rotterdam lost several big projects 6 years ago.   We are still tainted by the   "we hate business" reputation -- that Tommasone and Mertz  pinned on our town.


You are 100% wrong. It was the rotterdam residents and the rotterdam small business folks who rallied together in protestof a super walmart. The residents knew it was NOT a good location. The residents said that the town already had a walmart on altamont ave. The residents knew that it was not an ideal location. And the small business folks knew they would be out of business in less than 5 years!!

The tommasone administration LISTENED!!

AND THOSE ARE THE FACTS!!


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You are 100% wrong. It was the rotterdam residents and the rotterdam small business folks who rallied together in protestof a super walmart. The residents knew it was NOT a good location. The residents said that the town already had a walmart on altamont ave. The residents knew that it was not an ideal location. And the small business folks knew they would be out of business in less than 5 years!!

The tommasone administration LISTENED!!

AND THOSE ARE THE FACTS!!


The fact is that MANY residents wanted the Super-WalMart  ...  they just weren't as load as the ones who opposed it.    To this day, I still hear folks say  - it is too bad we didn't get that Super-Walmart.

The FACT is that the regular Wal-Mart on Altamont Avenue was slated to become a Sam's Club --- if the Super-Walmart would have been built.     Because Mertz and Tommasone screwed things up --  we lost the Sam's Club .. we lost  several projects that were thinking of locating by Exit 25-A ...  and 6 years later, I still hear from business people who say that Rotterdam is not friendly to business.

That perception has to change -- if we are ever going to get good development and lower our tax rates.


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The fact is that MANY residents wanted the Super-WalMart  ...  they just weren't as load as the ones who opposed it.    To this day, I still hear folks say  - it is too bad we didn't get that Super-Walmart.

The FACT is that the regular Wal-Mart on Altamont Avenue was slated to become a Sam's Club --- if the Super-Walmart would have been built.     Because Mertz and Tommasone screwed things up --  we lost the Sam's Club .. we lost  several projects that were thinking of locating by Exit 25-A ...  and 6 years later, I still hear from business people who say that Rotterdam is not friendly to business.

That perception has to change -- if we are ever going to get good development and lower our tax rates.


The majority of the rotterdam residents and the majority of the small business folks did NOT want a walmart super center in their town. They all provided documentation after documentation on the negative effects of walmart. The small business folks knew they would be out of business in less than 5 years. And the residents knew it would impact their quality of life.
Tommasones administration 'listened' and acted on the 'will of the people'.....the 'majority of the people'!! And by the way....how many sams clubs are left open today?

The tommasone administration, and to their credit, encouraged new development....but responsible development and yet maintain a quality of life for the rotteram residents. And they were also putting their neck on the line by creating this critical impact legislation by taking FULL responsibility for any and all developments!!

Hey....ya gotta give credit when credit is due!!


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The majority of the rotterdam residents and the majority of the small business folks did NOT want a walmart super center in their town. They all provided documentation after documentation on the negative effects of walmart. The small business folks knew they would be out of business in less than 5 years. And the residents knew it would impact their quality of life.
Tommasones administration 'listened' and acted on the 'will of the people'.....the 'majority of the people'!! And by the way....how many sams clubs are left open today?

The tommasone administration, and to their credit, encouraged new development....but responsible development and yet maintain a quality of life for the rotteram residents. And they were also putting their neck on the line by creating this critical impact legislation by taking FULL responsibility for any and all developments!!

Hey....ya gotta give credit when credit is due!!


There never was a referendum on the matter --   so no one knows what a majority of the town wanted -- I can certainly tell you that  MANY people who live throughout the town of Rotterdam  WANTED a Super Wal-Mart to be built in town.  

the only new development that occurred during the Tommasone administration --- was due to the work of the Democrats on the County Leg and Metroplex   ----- RailEx and the Golub Freezer are two examples of what the Democrats on the County Leg and Metroplex did to bring economic development to Rotterdam.

Tommasone and Mertz KILLED economic development with their half-assed ideas  ... like the Critical Impactlegislation ... and the way they mishandled the Exit 25-A Study.  


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There never was a referendum on the matter --   so no one knows what a majority of the town wanted -- I can certainly tell you that  MANY people who live throughout the town of Rotterdam  WANTED a Super Wal-Mart to be built in town.  

the only new development that occurred during the Tommasone administration --- was due to the work of the Democrats on the County Leg and Metroplex   ----- RailEx and the Golub Freezer are two examples of what the Democrats on the County Leg and Metroplex did to bring economic development to Rotterdam.

Tommasone and Mertz KILLED economic development with their half-assed ideas  ... like the Critical Impactlegislation ... and the way they mishandled the Exit 25-A Study.  


Wrong about railex!!! The fact of the matter is that the tommasone administration played a very crucial role in bringingin railex!! And although gillen/savage were all over tv hogging the lime light....the tommasone administration also played a major role in this develpment. It's called 'working together'!


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Wrong about railex!!! The fact of the matter is that the tommasone administration played a very crucial role in bringingin railex!! And although gillen/savage were all over tv hogging the lime light....the tommasone administration also played a major role in this develpment. It's called 'working together'!


WRONG -- the county delivered that project --- Tomassone just took the credit because he happened to be in office at the time.

RailEX was in the "pipeline" BEFORE Tomassone even became supervisor.


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Rotterdam Town Board debates repealing Critical Impact Permits

The proposed 248-unit apartment complex off North Thompson Street in Rotterdam might see an expedited approval process if the Town Board decides to repeal a town code article.

During their meeting on Wednesday, July 13, board members discussed two public hearings, scheduled for the Aug. 10 meeting, regarding the proposed apartment complex and commercial strip by property owners William Larned and Sons, Inc. and Maria Esposito. Last summer, the board approved the initial zoning change for the project, which included 71.8 acres of land zoned for heavy industrial and general business to planned residential development and general business. The first public hearing is to create a new sewer district comprised solely of the property, but the second public hearing is to repeal Article XXVIII of the town code titled “Critical Impact Uses and Critical Impact Permits.”

The law, passed in 2006, gives the Town Board final say over proposed development projects that include buildings of at least 100,000 square feet and residential developments of at least 75 buildings.

Andrew Brick, attorney representing the property owners, said the permit application process adds another layer of paperwork and approval to the process. Deputy Supervisor Robert Godlewski was hesitant of a hasty repeal of the town code and urged board members to seek a recommendation from the town Planning Commission before making a decision.

“I will move this resolution forward … but only if it calls to ask the Planning Commission to make a recommendation to this body. That has been the practice, it is in Town Code … I don’t want anybody to think that I am in favor of this critical impact stuff that is in the town code.”

Godlewski formerly served on the Planning Commission when the code passed five years ago and he said he didn’t agree with the change since it took away the power of the Planning Commission. The Town Board was granted authority of approval of the permit.

“I find no need at this time to expedite getting rid of this and going outside the normal process. It is not going to hold up any project,” said Godlewski. “It makes no sense to call for a public hearing if the public has nothing to see or review.”

Letting the public have information to understand what it is being proposed is important, said Godlewski, and wanted to call for the public hearing at the Aug. 10 meeting and not at the current July 13 meeting. He only wanted to ask for the Planning Commission’s recommendation.

Brick said he met with Supervisor Frank Del Gallo and other town officials on Monday, July 11, regarding the proposed sewer district.

“The discussion became the fact that it has never been utilized, people didn’t even know it was there. It never came up during the Planning Commission process. It kind of got completely overlooked,” said Brick.

According to Brick, head of the Public Works Department Michael Griesemer eventually asked why the permit is even in the town code and suggested getting rid of it. Without the public hearing called for at the July 13 meeting the project would be delayed by a month, said Brick.

Del Gallo said the permit could be deterrence for large projects or companies to develop in the town.

“Contractors of any kind, any big company, come into the area and want to build —they spend a ton of money on this whole project to get passed through the Planning Commission and then come to the (Town Board) and get shot down,” said Del Gallo.

Brick echoed Del Gallo’s sentiment and said companies spend thousands of dollars for their site plan approval and then in certain projects have to come to the Town Board for additional approval.

“There is absolutely no standard or requirements or thresholds in this … it is completely up to the discretion of the Town Board,” said Brick. “I can guarantee you that developers out there when they are looking to locate somewhere, when they find this in your town code people are telling them, ‘Don’t go near that town.’”

Del Gallo said Planning Commission Chairman Tom Yuille supported the abolishment of the code. Councilman Wayne Calder confirmed Yuille said the code undermines their expertise and ability to review projects successfully.............................>>>>....................>>>>........................http://www.spotlightnews.com/news/view_news.php?news_id=1311802417
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You are 100% wrong. It was the rotterdam residents and the rotterdam small business folks who rallied together in protestof a super walmart. The residents knew it was NOT a good location. The residents said that the town already had a walmart on altamont ave. The residents knew that it was not an ideal location. And the small business folks knew they would be out of business in less than 5 years!!

The tommasone administration LISTENED!!

AND THOSE ARE THE FACTS!!


I hate to burst your bubble -- but a LOT of residents wanted the Super-Wal Mart ....    then and NOW.   There never was a public referendum so we will never know  the percentage  for or against the Super Wal-Mart.

Tommasone and Mertz only listened to themselves and SOME of the residents.

Personally,  I would have voted against the critical impact legislation and still believe that the town should have worked with Wal-Mart to find a workable location for the Super Center.  You don't grow the tax base by saying NO to business ... you grow the tax base by rolling up your sleeves and finding  win-win SOLUTIONS that benefit everyone.    


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what is with all the sales tax generation and the creation of         paying jobs   ...... support METROPLEX????????
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how about some jobs that bring home the bacon


enough of poor the paying jobs that hardly cover the rent of MFH and money leaving this town

next the devils triangle developers will want to have the town sewer plant accept their feces for free just like the septic companies

and johhny z wonders why he is paying 750/yr per unit to frush


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