'South California' proposed as 51st state by Republican supervisor July 11, 2011 | 2:40 pm
The 51st state should be named South California, says Jeff Stone, a Republican on the the Riverside County Board of Supervisors. But the proposed 13 southern California counties that would split off from the Golden State would not include Los Angeles.
Stone told the Times' Phil Willon that the ommission is intentional and is part of a plan that would make for a new conservative Californian state.
"Los Angeles is purposely excluded because they have the same liberal policies that Sacramento does. The last thing I want to do is create a state that's a carbon copy of what we have now,'' Stone said.
"Los Angeles just enacted a ban on plastic grocery bags. That put three or four manufacturers out of business,'' Stone, a pharmacist from Temecula, said.
Stone plans on formally proposing secession Tuesday during a meeting of the Board of Supervisors.
South California would encompass Fresno, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Madera, Mariposa, Mono, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego and Tulare counties, totaling approximately 13 million people.
The proposed 51st state would be the fifth largest by population, more populous than Illinois, Ohio and Pennsylvania. South California would take nearly a third of the population away from California, making the Golden State the second-largest state after Texas.
Eleven of the 13 proposed counties in South California traditionally vote Republican, a fact noticed by California Gov. Jerry Brown's office.
"If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona," Brown spokesman Gil Duran said.
It's be fun watching the Mexicans being stopped at the border of this new state... but then asked to sneak across anyway because no self respecting Republican Californian would actually clean his own pool, or mow his own lawn, or wash & wax his own car. In 6 months the Mexicans would rule this new state, or the Republicans would leave because they are tired of mowing their own lawns.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
California is in shambles and while I give the guy credit for talking about secession the state is to far gone for it to work. Now if Arizona or Texas tried to succeed from the grasp of federal power they might stand a chance and probably receive a lot of support in their effort.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Now if Arizona or Texas tried to succeed from the grasp of federal power they might stand a chance and probably receive a lot of support in their effort.
This was tried once... like today, much of the trouble centers on racial issues... the last timeat least 618,000 Americans died in our Civil War.
But this is different... states rights, minority rights, government control... Hey... Sounds like the same issues as the last time states succeeded from the union.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
This was tried once... like today, much of the trouble centers on racial issues... the last timeat least 618,000 Americans died in our Civil War.
But this is different... states rights, minority rights, government control... Hey... Sounds like the same issues as the last time states succeeded from the union.
If the government becomes tyrannical and disobeys the laws of the land under the constitution states should have every right to succeed. Like Lincoln I'm sure the government would do everything in their power to keep the Union intact even if that meant killing millions of their own citizens and using lies like they did before, slavery as an example, to do it.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
If the government becomes tyrannical and disobeys the laws of the land under the constitution states should have every right to succeed. Like Lincoln I'm sure the government would do everything in their power to keep the Union intact even if that meant killing millions of their own citizens and using lies like they did before, slavery as an example, to do it.
Slavery is a lie... yea! But not for the slave.
Your support of Ron Paul makes more sense the more I read your posts. I imagine Paul would have considered Slaves "personal Property" and the govt had no business freeing them. A govt intrusion into the free enterprise system.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
California is in shambles and while I give the guy credit for talking about secession the state is to far gone for it to work. Now if Arizona or Texas tried to succeed from the grasp of federal power they might stand a chance and probably receive a lot of support in their effort.
They are not talking about seceding from the Union, they want to secede from the STATE. Southern California wants to get away from the dysfunction in Sacramento and northern cities like San Francisco. They are talking about a 51st state, not their own country.
Your support of Ron Paul makes more sense the more I read your posts. I imagine Paul would have considered Slaves "personal Property" and the govt had no business freeing them. A govt intrusion into the free enterprise system.
Slavery was not a lie but Lincoln used slavery as a excuse to drum up support when in his own words he didn't give a crap about slavery.
"I imagine Paul would have considered Slaves "personal Property"
Nope Paul like me believes all men are created equal. Wanna try again.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
They are not talking about seceding from the Union, they want to secede from the STATE. Southern California wants to get away from the dysfunction in Sacramento and northern cities like San Francisco. They are talking about a 51st state, not their own country.
Yeah I know but it wouldn't make a difference any ways, California is done for and I don't see any change coming soon for them. Any change would have to start locally and then spread state wide to make a difference, isn't going to happen. It is a interesting idea though.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Nope Paul like me believes all men are created equal. Wanna try again.
Yea right! Paul believes "all men are created equal"... but when state laws don't treat them equally, Paul would vote against enforcing "all men are created equal" and let states continue to discriminate based on race 100 years after Lincoln freed the slaves to be "equal". Let the states take care of it.. and if they don't... in some states some Americans are way more equal than others.
Paul would do well with state enforced "separate but equal". See pic below:
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Yea right! Paul believes "all men are created equal"... but when state laws don't treat them equally, Paul would vote against enforcing "all men are created equal" and let states continue to discriminate based on race 100 years after Lincoln freed the slaves to be "equal". Let the states take care of it.. and if they don't... in some states some Americans are way more equal than others. ]
I'm not getting into this discussion again, once you learn and understand what property rights mean then come back to me. All your talk on freedom but not a single word on the infringement of our freedom to run our property as we see fit.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
You know, Constitutionally, it is very difficult for a state to split off and become it's own state. The Constitution actually states what is needed. Now, if you look at it, a Republican based area may have a better chance right now at the Federal level, but the people they are trying to split off of to become their own state also have to approve. This is what would make it difficult for the previous idea of upstate New York becoming it's own state.
Article 4, Section. 3.
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
You know, Constitutionally, it is very difficult for a state to split off and become it's own state. The Constitution actually states what is needed. Now, if you look at it, a Republican based area may have a better chance right now at the Federal level, but the people they are trying to split off of to become their own state also have to approve. This is what would make it difficult for the previous idea of upstate New York becoming it's own state.
Article 4, Section. 3.
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
Actually, it was Mayor Lindsay of New York City that wanted to make NYC the 51st state about 30 years ago. Then when they did the math and realized how much NYC relies on tax revenues collected upstate - he shut his mouth really quickly.
But - I would support gathering all of the Nattering Nayboobs of Negativity and launching them in a rocket to one of the moons of Jupiter -- they could have their own country there .. they would probably have a red, white and black flag with a "spider-like" symbol on it.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
I have also heard on TV (History Channel, "How the states got their shapes") that there are many people down on Long Island who would support a new state also being made out of all of Long Island, which includes Brooklyn and Queens out of New York City. People were stating that they would place the new state's capitol in Brooklyn.
I have also heard on TV (History Channel, "How the states got their shapes") that there are many people down on Long Island who would support a new state also being made out of all of Long Island, which includes Brooklyn and Queens out of New York City. People were stating that they would place the new state's capitol in Brooklyn.
The main reason that these statehood proposals go nowhere -- is that Long Island and New York City are dependent on upstate for less expensive power and for state aid and , most importantly, for drinking water. The minute that downstate New York separates from upstate New York -- they would lose the flow of water, power and state aid.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
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