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You see Ron Paul as the Messiah. I see him as just another Republican.  I agree with him on very little.  I believe Paul is sincere about his       anti war views, but once elected I doubt he will conduct foreign policy much different than the rest of the Republicans in his party.


You know I had to chime in on this one    I do not see Ron Paul as the Messiah, Jesus is.

You see him as just another Republican I find that interesting as most don't.

And as for foreign policy if you have been watching his videos and hearing him at debates he NOT like the other candidates at all.

As for democrat/republican/independent etc wouldn't it just make sense to look at all candidates without looking at their party?  Just look at what they believe in, what there record is, look how consistent they are and choose who you really feel will be the best president for our country in these hard times?!
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With a few exceptions, Ron Paul is pretty much a main stream Republican candidate.  
Paul is:
~Pro Gun
~Anti Choice
~Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.”
~Repealing Roe v. Wade
~Anti Government entitlements
~Cut Taxes, Cut Taxes and CUT TAXES!
~Cut Federal People Programs
~Push Federal Programs on to the States.
~Strong Military.
~Increase Border Patrol
~No Amnesty for illegals
~Stop Birthright Citizenship
~Drill baby Drill
~End EPA restrictions for Coal & Oil
~Free Markets
~Tax Dollars for Home Schools
~Repeal the “Brady Bill” and the so-called “Assault Weapons Ban.”
The list continues... and could apply to most Republicans running in this primary...
(On these issues Ron Paul is just one more Republican)

Paul differs with mainstream GOP candidates:
Paul is anti war, and will "attempt" to cut back military spending and military adventures around the world.
(If he can get a reluctant Republican Congress to agree)  Paul can't cut one penny from the military budget...
only the US Congress can do that.



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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The schedule for the first five states in the GOP nomination:

January 3: Iowa
January 10: New Hampshire
January 21: South Carolina
January 31: Florida
February 4: Nevada


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The schedule for the first five states in the GOP nomination:

January 3: Iowa
January 10: New Hampshire
January 21: South Carolina
January 31: Florida
February 4: Nevada


NH and NV are slam dunks for Mitt.
Iowa? Something tells me Perry will pull it out.
SC is a toss up, but I'm betting on a social conservative (anyone but Mitt)
FLA will be won by Mitt.


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A new Rasmussen survey in South Carolina shows Herman Cain with a double-digit lead over Mitt Romney, 33% to 23%, with Newt Gingrich in third place at 15%.


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A new Rasmussen survey in South Carolina shows Herman Cain with a double-digit lead over Mitt Romney, 33% to 23%, with Newt Gingrich in third place at 15%.

I was going to handicap Cain as the winner in SC but that was before the sexual harassment stuff broke.
He and his campaign handled it poorly initially and continue to do so. He's lashing out at the press and playing the race card... I see a Perot-style implosion.


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......to freakin' funny.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Illinois GOP: Paul wins presidential straw poll

(AP) – 40 minutes ago

PALATINE, Ill. (AP) — The Illinois Republican Party says Ron Paul has won a statewide straw poll that sought to determine voters' unofficial preference for the GOP presidential nomination.

The Texas congressman won Saturday's poll with 52 percent of the vote. Paul won in both online and total votes.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney carried Illinois' in-person voting with 35 percent.

The Illinois straw poll — at more than 3,600 votes — surpassed such large states as Ohio, Florida and California that held straw polls earlier this year.

Online voting started Oct. 29 and paper balloting went on throughout the day Saturday at about two dozen Illinois sites.

Any Illinois voter could cast a ballot in the GOP straw poll with a $5 contribution to the state party. The Illinois primary is March 20.
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Any Illinois voter could cast a ballot in the GOP straw poll with a $5 contribution to the state party. The Illinois primary is March 20


Obviously Paul paid his supporters to vote for him.  Paul supporters can't afford $5 of their own money to cast a vote. Probably a half price deal or a free bowl of soup with every vote.


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Ron Paul says he'd consider putting Dennis Kucinich in his Cabinet

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-.....-his-cabinet?page=25

This is what led me to remove Ron Paul from consideration for receiving my vote and support.  Kucinich is a (far left) wing nut.  One of the most liberal of all elected officials presently in Congress.  He scores an 18% from the Heritage Foundation for conservative voting record ( http://heritageactionscorecard.com/scorecard/#Kucinich#name ).  Kucinich is against capital punishment but for abortion.  He supports universal healthcare.

Too bad.  Paul has some good ideas on fiscal policy.  But, his foreign policy positions, including considering
Kucinich for head of the "Department of Peace" seems naive to me.

Though I agree with our founders that the US should not interfere in the internal affairs of sovereign nations,
I believe that there are situations when members of the international community must exert their
power and influence to end injustice and violent aggression.
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Though I agree with our founders that the US should not interfere in the internal affairs of sovereign nations,
I believe that there are situations, however, when members of the international community must exert their
power and influence to end injustice and aggression (e.g., ethnic cleansing).


So I assume as part of the "international community", you would be the first to offer the blood of your children to fight the against Lord's Resistance Army in central Africa, where the U.S. has recently deployed troops?  Or maybe they will be the first wave of infantry that invades Iran to take out the "evil dictator" and end their nuclear weapons program.  Or maybe they will be deployed to Darfur to fight against the Arab vs. Non Arab ethnic cleansing.   I'll tell ya what, I won't send my children.

I just hope that the Chinese aren't watching American news, and while watching the violent crackdown against Oakland protesters, and get the sudden urge to come over here and save us from 'injustices" the government is committing against the American citizens.


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So I assume as part of the "international community", you would be the first to offer the blood of your children to fight the against Lord's Resistance Army in central Africa, where the U.S. has recently deployed troops?  Or maybe they will be the first wave of infantry that invades Iran to take out the "evil dictator" and end their nuclear weapons program.  Or maybe they will be deployed to Darfur to fight against the Arab vs. Non Arab ethnic cleansing.   I'll tell ya what, I won't send my children.

I just hope that the Chinese aren't watching American news, and while watching the violent crackdown against Oakland protesters, and get the sudden urge to come over here and save us from 'injustices" the government is committing against the American citizens.


No, Cicero.  

I believe that the past several Presidential Administrations  (Obama and Bush) have been too quick and too eager to commit troops to skirmishes that were none of our business.  I fear that Obama's intent is to stretch our military so far that we cannot be victorious.  This will discredit our nation's status as a world superpower and "level the playing field".    I have not heard the President's explanation of the rationale behind his decision to deploy troops to central Africa, a timeline for operations, or the military objectives.

There have been (limited) cases in history, such as the unchecked imperialism of Germany and their ethnic/religious cleansing campaign leading up to and throughout WWII, in which the involvement of the U.S. military was, in my opinion, correct and necessary.  

The rationale for our involvement in the Middle East is questionable.  Though we will never know the truth about the
reasons (e.g., weapons of mass destruction, oil, etc.) that our government committed our troops, I suspect that is was for resources (oil) that equates to wealth.  I don't believe that, for the U.S., it is based on religious beliefs.

Lastly, I don't "offer the blood of my children" or anyone else for that matter to support any cause.  If I believe that sacrifice is necessary, I offer myself as I did to the National Guard immediately following 9/11.  I was disheartened to learn that they considered me too old at 41 years of age to enlist.
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So who exactly WON the Illinois straw poll?

There was a total of around 5000 votes cast... at $5 per vote, means that the Illinois Republican party made an easy $25,000.
  Not a bad scam!

For Ron Paul to get national press coverage he'd need to do something out of the ordinary... Something notable...
Something like win a straw poll.

To be on the air and in print media for one whole news cycle  any republican candidate would only need
to have a good organization that could spend a mere $13,000 or $14,000 to buy National Mainstream Media Coverage.

If you go to the Illinois Straw Poll Website, you will easily find the secret of Ron Paul's victory...
In their FAQ section:
~ "In person voters may vote only once. However, for online voting, the same credit card can be used for multiple
transactions in order to facilitate voting in households"  ~

To stack the deck in any Republican candidate's favor, all you need is a valid credit card and a few thousand email
addresses.  (What a scam!)  





The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Ron Paul says he'd consider putting Dennis Kucinich in his Cabinet

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-.....-his-cabinet?page=25

This is what led me to remove Ron Paul from consideration for receiving my vote and support.  Kucinich is a (far left) wing nut.  One of the most liberal of all elected officials presently in Congress.  He scores an 18% from the Heritage Foundation for conservative voting record ( http://heritageactionscorecard.com/scorecard/#Kucinich#name ).  Kucinich is against capital punishment but for abortion.  He supports universal healthcare.

Too bad.  Paul has some good ideas on fiscal policy.  But, his foreign policy positions, including considering
Kucinich for head of the "Department of Peace" seems naive to me.

Though I agree with our founders that the US should not interfere in the internal affairs of sovereign nations,
I believe that there are situations when members of the international community must exert their
power and influence to end injustice and violent aggression.


one always keeps an 'enemy' close to keep it real......it keeps the conversation going without it turning into a one-man band.....a smart leader ALWAYS keeps the other road in view and the realities
of the world around them.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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