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So, ultimately your numbers are worth sh*t.  


YUP!  Just like Ron Paul's chance of ever being a US President!






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YUP!  Just like Ron Paul's chance of ever being a US President!


Doesn't matter, he changed something more important than one seat in the federal government.  What happens when states return to the Constitution and laws of the Republic and the act of nullification?

One thing we learned from the 2008 disaster, change doesn't happen from the top down.   You can hope to get the government freeloaders out to vote for one election.  Paul's supporters not only vote in one election, but are running for state office around the country. They aren't hoping for more free government checks, they're doing.  


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Doesn't matter, he changed something more important than one seat in the federal government.  What happens when states return to the Constitution and laws of the Republic and the act of nullification?

One thing we learned from the 2008 disaster, change doesn't happen from the top down.   You can hope to get the government freeloaders out to vote for one election.  Paul's supporters not only vote in one election, but are running for state office around the country. They aren't hoping for more free government checks, they're doing.  


Yes! Paul changed something more important... so did Ralph Nader, so did Ross Perot, so did the TeaBaggers,
in their own mind they made a difference... no where else.


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Yes! Paul changed something more important... so did Ralph Nader, so did Ross Perot, so did the TeaBaggers,
in their own mind they made a difference... no where else.


Well, the "tea party" began through the Paul movement, and hijacked by the establishment.  It's funny how the "teabaggers" didn't make a difference, yet the democrats tried to blame the U.S. rating downgrade on them.  Typical double speak.

Ralph Nader and Ross Perot both carried a big government message.  Nader want MORE power, Perot wanted to maintain the power, just more efficiently.  Paul wants to remove the power from the government and return it to the people.  

Will his message make a diffence...Time will tell.


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Well, the "tea party" began through the Paul movement, and hijacked by the establishment.  It's funny how the "teabaggers" didn't make a difference, yet the democrats tried to blame the U.S. rating downgrade on them.  Typical double speak.

Ralph Nader and Ross Perot both carried a big government message.  Nader want MORE power, Perot wanted to maintain the power, just more efficiently.  Paul wants to remove the power from the government and return it to the people.  

Will his message make a diffence...Time will tell.


Oh Grasshopper... So quickly you forget...
RON Paul is a REPUBLICAN.  An anti war Republican,  but still A REPUBLICAN.
~  Not a GOD,
~  Not a Libertarian candidate,
~  Not anything new...
... just your run of the mill, smaller govt, screw the working man, force his morals on the rest of
America REPUBLICAN!
  Nothing more.



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Oh Grasshopper... So quickly you forget...
RON Paul is a REPUBLICAN.  An anti war Republican,  but still A REPUBLICAN.
~  Not a GOD,
~  Not a Libertarian candidate,
~  Not anything new...
... just your run of the mill, smaller govt, screw the working man, force his morals on the rest of
America REPUBLICAN!
  Nothing more.



No, he's a republicanism republican.  He's a Democratic-Republican Party republican.  More the party of Jefferson, NOT the republican party of Lincoln.  He's not anti-war but rather anti-interventionism.

I though you've been following along?  Apparently not.



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... just your run of the mill, smaller govt, screw the working man, force his morals on the rest of
America REPUBLICAN!
  Nothing more.



...and George Wallace was just another run of the mill, racist democrat.  Since party membership define ALL party members values.  Right?


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...and George Wallace was just another run of the mill, racist democrat.  Since party membership define ALL party members values.  Right?


The vast majority of Republicans, like Republican Paul, want to force their morals on the rest of America.
Marriage Equality, Women's Rights, Choice, Contraception... This group doesn't look at those
issues as a personal choice, they see their role as "Enforcers"... Big Government Hit Men, forcing their MORAL
values on the rest of America.


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The vast majority of Republicans, like Republican Paul, want to force their morals on the rest of America.
Marriage Equality, Women's Rights, Choice, Contraception...


...Again, not paying attention.  Ron Paul has clearly stated that the Federal government constitutionally has no role in regulating these matters.  If any of these are to be regulated at all, Paul and other Constitutionalist believe it should happen at the state local levels.  With the federal government’s right to license, regulate and endorse certain "rights", it gives them the right to deny rights too.  

I don't hear a "vast majority" of Republicans parroting those views, just like I'm sure the "vast majority" of Democrats didn’t hold George Wallace's views..  

And if establishment republicans are parroting Paul's views on things like republicanism and the hazard of central banking, it's only recently because of Paul's growing grassroots support.


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...Again, not paying attention.  Ron Paul has clearly stated that the Federal government constitutionally has no role in regulating these matters.  If any of these are to be regulated at all, Paul and other Constitutionalist believe it should happen at the state local levels.  With the federal government’s right to license, regulate and endorse certain "rights", it gives them the right to deny rights too.  

I don't hear a "vast majority" of Republicans parroting those views, just like I'm sure the "vast majority" of Democrats didn’t hold George Wallace's views..  

And if establishment republicans are parroting Paul's views on things like republicanism and the hazard of central banking, it's only recently because of Paul's growing grassroots support.


Funny to watch you equate Ron Paul with George Wallace.  Both racists at heart, but they hid their feelings
for political purposes.  
Wallace was a great promoter of STATES RIGHTS also... Those states rights that would kept Blacks from
voting, and outlaw interracial marriage.  Dixicrats, as the Southern Democrats were known, were
CONSERVATIVE Democrats that mostly left the Democrat party with the Voting Rights act of '64.  They kept
their racist roots but now vote Republican.
YUP! Wallace and Paul... two peas in a pod.



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Dixicrats, as the Southern Democrats were known, were CONSERVATIVE Democrats that mostly left the Democrat party with the Voting Rights act of '64.  They kept their racist roots but now vote Republican.
YUP! Wallace and Paul... two peas in a pod.



Ron Paul racist.

Good one.

Ah Yes, the Orwellian redefining of words to cause confustion..."Dixiecrat", that does can confuse the masses, but anybody paying attention knows Wallace was a democrat.  He was a democrat as long as he was winning elections for the democrat party.  What was KKK member Robert Byrd?  A 'Klu, Klux, Klanacrat'?  

Democrat Party, the Party of racists Wallace, and Byrd, and the womanizing Kennedy's.  Talk about war on women, how many women did the Kennedy's kill?  


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Ron Paul racist.

Good one.

Ah Yes, the Orwellian redefining of words to cause confustion..."Dixiecrat", that does can confuse the masses, but anybody paying attention knows Wallace was a democrat.  He was a democrat as long as he was winning elections for the democrat party.  What was KKK member Robert Byrd?  A 'Klu, Klux, Klanacrat'?  


Do you really know that little about American politics Cicero???

Don't take my word for it... Just google "Dixicrat"... You'll see that the Conservative Democrats in the
south often called "States' Rights Democratics" were aligned with Democrats on many issues, but on
the issue of race, they were still ensuring that segregation and Jim Crow laws would stand.

The KKK Democrats is a good description of many of them.  All that changed with Kennedy, and much more so
with LBJ, when the life long Conservative Democrats, changed parties to the Republican party.  Conservatives
on the Right (some also racist states rights fanatics) welcomed them with open arms.

Really Cicero... were you absent the year they taught American History in School???


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Do you really know that little about American politics Cicero???

Don't take my word for it... Just google "Dixicrat"... You'll see that the Conservative Democrats in the
south often called "States' Rights Democratics" were aligned with Democrats on many issues, but on
the issue of race, they were still ensuring that segregation and Jim Crow laws would stand.

The KKK Democrats is a good description of many of them.  All that changed with Kennedy, and much more so
with LBJ, when the life long Conservative Democrats, changed parties to the Republican party.  Conservatives
on the Right (some also racist states rights fanatics) welcomed them with open arms.

Really Cicero... were you absent the year they taught American History in School???



Do I need to post the video of Bill Clinton eulogizing Robert Byrd?  Byrd was in office WELL after Kennedy died - and he was a democrat, re-elected with the help of DNC money.


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Do I need to post the video of Bill Clinton eulogizing Robert Byrd?  Byrd was in office WELL after Kennedy died - and he was a democrat, re-elected with the help of DNC money.


AND... How does that change my post.  Was Byrd a racist?  YES!  Probably as racist as Ron Paul.  Was Byrd
a member of the KKK?  Again, YES.
Read Byrd's life history.  

The Vote for the Civil Rights act of '64:

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87   (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10   (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9   (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24   (85%–15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20   (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1   (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1   (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5   (84%–16%)

That act changed America to this day.  What used to be the Blue, Conservative Democrat Solid South,
is now
The Red Conservative Republican Solid South.

Really Cicero... check a book or google the facts before making a fool of yourself!


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AND... How does that change my post.  Was Byrd a racist?  YES!  Probably as racist as Ron Paul.  Was Byrd
a member of the KKK?  Again, YES.
Read Byrd's life history.  

The Vote for the Civil Rights act of '64:

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87   (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10   (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9   (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24   (85%–15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20   (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1   (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1   (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5   (84%–16%)

That act changed America to this day.  What used to be the Blue, Conservative Democrat Solid South,
is now
The Red Conservative Republican Solid South.

Really Cicero... check a book or google the facts before making a fool of yourself!


Geez Box, suddenly there are wings within political parties.  You've been claiming that Ron Paul is just a run of the mill republican and that all republicans are the same.  But yet you give me evidence that there are different wings of the Democrat AND Republican Party. Now there are northern democrats, southern democrats, dixicrats, and blue dog democrats.  And over time you can disown certain democrats when it doesn't fit the political narrative.

You continue doing an amazing job arguing to my point that Ron Paul isn't as you said isn't "... just your run of the mill, smaller govt, screw the working man, force his morals on the rest of America REPUBLICAN! Nothing more."  He is philosophically VERY DIFFERENT.


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