So your position is, paying customers will be refused service due to the color of skin? If Ron Paul was president, people would just start refusing money from customers because of race? Does that harm the business owner or the customer, or both? BTW, your statement is bigoted in itself. In your post, you frame your argument by stating that surgeons can only be white and the white surgeons would let black people die. Can surgeons be Black, Asian, or Hispanic? Hypothetically speaking, in your ultra racist world where people would let others die because of their race, a world where surgeon are not black but only white, would black surgeons let white people die by refusing to accept their money for their specialized service?
I find it hard to believe that without these laws people would just stop accepting money from people for ANY reason, especially based on race.
The issue of racism in the business place is dead in today's society, those who wish to have their business succeed will know that denying service to everyone only hurts them self. The civil rights movement changed this country for the better, not by forcing laws but by changing peoples minds through intelligent discussion. Since the country was changing the free market would have dealt with the segregated private businesses and that is the way it should have happened. Box thinks it was necessary for the government to come in and force people to run their businesses the way they wanted them to, he has the illusion that stripping away property rights was for the better.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
So your position is, paying customers will be refused service due to the color of skin? If Ron Paul was president, people would just start refusing money from customers because of race? Does that harm the business owner or the customer, or both?
If Ron Paul were President and rescinded the Civil Rights Act of '64 which he does NOT support... YES. And, Both. Just like it did up until these laws were passed.
BTW, your statement is bigoted in itself. In your post, you frame your argument by stating that surgeons can only be white and the white surgeons would let black people die. Can surgeons be Black, Asian, or Hispanic? Hypothetically speaking, in your ultra racist world where people would let others die because of their race, a world where surgeon are not black but only white, would black surgeons let white people die by refusing to accept their money for their specialized service?
Are you really that limited? I was referring to Bigots... no matter what the race, culture or religion. I used the White over Black example because that's what the "64 Act addressed. As I posted in another thread today: ~ "Are you so niave that you think racism is only from Whites, against Blacks??? Racism is everywhere... and is equally destructive and dangerous to a society no matter who is the victim and who is the perp." ~
I find it hard to believe that without these laws people would just stop accepting money from people for ANY reason, especially based on race.
You gotta be kidding!!! In my lifetime, I saw it happen, not just occasionally but almost constantly. And not only in the south, but here in NY. I was helping some friends move... we stopped in a country diner and while there, 4 black people came in and sat down. The waitress would not wait on them, but just ignored them. When the waitress went by, they asked her for a menu... she walked in the back and came out with her boss. He told them that they were out of food and they had to leave. THIS HAPPENED IN NY STATE, NOT FAR FROM THE CAPITOL DISTRICT. They had food for everyone else there and people who came in later. Will people refuse dollars because of Racism???? You gotta be kiddin!
A minority (and white worker) who worked cleaning pools in this area, went for a swim in the Country Club pool after hours when they were done cleaning the pool. Security saw them swimming, and reported it to the manager the next day. The Manager fired the minority worker, and threatened the white worker with being fired... Then instructed the white worker to empty the pool of all water. Then refill the pool and stabilize the chemicals. A two day process. The manager knew that some of the Country Club members would not swim in the pool if they knew this minority swam there.
If you didn't live through the 50's and 60's, racism might be just an abstract concept... I've seen it with my own eyes,and witnessed the riots and destruction after the MLK assassination.
"You find it hard to believe that without these laws people would just stop accepting money from people for ANY reason, especially based on race. "... (If you know anything about pools, you know what it costs to have a crew, empty and refill an Olympic size pool.) Really Cicero... Read some history... I'm surprised that anyone today is that naive about racism in the US history.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The issue of racism in the business place is dead in today's society, those who wish to have their business succeed will know that denying service to everyone only hurts them self. The civil rights movement changed this country for the better, not by forcing laws but by changing peoples minds through intelligent discussion. Since the country was changing the free market would have dealt with the segregated private businesses and that is the way it should have happened. Box thinks it was necessary for the government to come in and force people to run their businesses the way they wanted them to, he has the illusion that stripping away property rights was for the better.
Henry, I'm sorry that I don't have the exact quote, but I read recently that the MAJORITY of Republicans in a southern state think that it should be illegal for blacks to marry whites. They favor a law that would make it so. If you think racism is dead in this country, you are very wrong.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Henry, I'm sorry that I don't have the exact quote, but I read recently that the MAJORITY of Republicans in a southern state think that it should be illegal for blacks to marry whites. They favor a law that would make it so. If you think racism is dead in this country, you are very wrong.
Racism will never be dead but I wouldn't try to hide it with laws like the Civil Rights Act. Me personally would rather know who the racists are so I wouldn't give them service. As far as marriage goes there should be no law ever put in place denying 2 consenting people the right to marry. The government shouldn't even be involved in marriage as far as I'm concerned. But I think that goes to show that others do wish to control how others run their life and why in a free society it shouldn't be the case. We are really splitting hairs here but all I'm saying is that I shouldn't be able to tell you how to run your life and you shouldn't tell me how to run mine. When I talk property rights that doesn't just mean my business, it also means my body, my house, my possessions.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Are you really that limited? I was referring to Bigots... no matter what the race, culture or religion. I used the White over Black example because that's what the "64 Act addressed. As I posted in another thread today: ~ "Are you so niave that you think racism is only from Whites, against Blacks??? Racism is everywhere... and is equally destructive and dangerous to a society no matter who is the victim and who is the perp." ~
So if the Grand Wizard of the KKK needs emergency surgery and is rushed into the hospital with a hood over his head, the black surgeon MUST perform life saving surgery on him? If the grand wizard walks into a bar in a predominately black neighborhood, the bartender MUST serve him? If the leader of the Black Panthers walks into a place of business, he MUST be served? If Don Imus walks into a barber shop in a black neighborhood, they MUST cut his hair?
Laws don't change hearts and minds, education does. Box doesn't understand that taking property rights away from one person in the name of equality, leads to a permanent tension between the races they were intended to help. The civil rights act of 1964 will always be viewed taking rights away from property owners. Who these laws hurt the worst were those people that were NEVER racist, but now must defend lawsuits for business decision made for denying a person service. That's because now every minority can make the claim of racism even when it's not, and it cost thousands of dollars to defend these claims.
So if the Grand Wizard of the KKK needs emergency surgery and is rushed into the hospital with a hood over his head, the black surgeon MUST perform life saving surgery on him? If the grand wizard walks into a bar in a predominately black neighborhood, the bartender MUST serve him? If the leader of the Black Panthers walks into a place of business, he MUST be served? If Don Imus walks into a barber shop in a black neighborhood, they MUST cut his hair?
Laws don't change hearts and minds, education does. Box doesn't understand that taking property rights away from one person in the name of equality, leads to a permanent tension between the races they were intended to help. The civil rights act of 1964 will always be viewed taking rights away from property owners. Who these laws hurt the worst were those people that were NEVER racist, but now must defend lawsuits for business decision made for denying a person service. That's because now every minority can make the claim of racism even when it's not, and it cost thousands of dollars to defend these claims.
Cicero lumps a dozen questions into one post as if there is one answer.
Your answers are: ~ Yes. ~ Maybe not... the police may classify this as an act of provocation, to incite violence... I'm not sure. ~Yes of course... just like a leader of the Oath Keepers, the Conservative party, or any other obnoxious groups. ~No. No one should be forced to touch Don Imus.
The rest of your post... As I've posted before... in my lifetime Whites in this country will be a minority. If the non whites decide to treat Whites the same way they've been treated... You (if your white) will come to appreciate and love the Civil Rights Act of '64.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Great Quote... In the opening sentence, she says: "We cannot vote for people based on the color of their skin"... and I agree...
Roxy anyone can vote for whoever they want for any reason they want... even if it is based on skin color....whether you agree or not. In the local news coverage of exit polls during the 2008 election, a reporter asking a black woman who she voted for...she said Obama...he asked if she voted for him because he is black...she said yes.
While I think it is pathetic that anyone would vote for any candidate based exclusively on their skin color, I couldn't help but think what the reaction might have been if that same reporter asked me, a white voter, who I voted for...and I said McCain/Palin...and if that reporter asked if I didn't vote for Obama because he is black and I said yes...or if I voted for McCain because he is white and I said yes. I'm sure some organization like the NAACP would have gone crazy....but I doubt that black woman ever heard a peep from anyone about her admitted "racist" vote.
Just another example of how the race card only seems to apply to the words and actions of whites....which is hypocritical at best...a a uniquely liberal tendency.
Roxy anyone can vote for whoever they want for any reason they want... even if it is based on skin color....whether you agree or not. In the local news coverage of exit polls during the 2008 election, a reporter asking a black woman who she voted for...she said Obama...he asked if she voted for him because he is black...she said yes.
While I think it is pathetic that anyone would vote for any candidate based exclusively on their skin color, I couldn't help but think what the reaction might have been if that same reporter asked me, a white voter, who I voted for...and I said McCain/Palin...and if that reporter asked if I didn't vote for Obama because he is black and I said yes...or if I voted for McCain because he is white and I said yes. I'm sure some organization like the NAACP would have gone crazy....but I doubt that black woman ever heard a peep from anyone about her admitted "racist" vote.
Just another example of how the race card only seems to apply to the words and actions of whites....which is hypocritical at best...a a uniquely liberal tendency.
I see this issue differently but we disagree on most things.
If Obama were the First Woman President... I think a lot of women who have worked all their lives to promote women's rights, might say they voted for her because she was a woman. It isn't necessarily 'sexist' to say that but you could make the case that it was. In the same way, a person who worked their whole lives to promote racial equality and racial opportunity, could say they voted for Barack Obama in the same way... not racist, but because of his race.
I remember when John Kennedy was running for President and was a Catholic. Non Catholics had always used the scam that any Catholic US President would be directed by the Pope in Rome...and couldn't disobey an order from the Catholic Pope or be excommunicated. There were Catholics who I'm sure voted for Kennedy much in the same way that the Black woman you discussed voted for Obama.
Once a Catholic was elected, the issue went away. I hope the same is true for all minorities as US President.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The Oath Keepers' motto is "Not On Our Watch!", and their stated objective is to encourage the non-violent disobeying of any order given by a member of the U.S. Government that oversteps Constitutional boundaries.THEY DECIDE WHAT ORDERS ARE CONSTITUTIONAL AND WHAT ORDERS ARE NOT.
find a new profession and take it up with your parents....morons...talk about union thug thought....if you romanticised it--that's your freakin' issue... war is war...human nature is human nature.....you are rational but you are an animal with some rational thought...so rationalise your way to another profession....moron
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Today North Carolina will mark the 150th anniversary of its secession from the Union with a re-enactment at the historic state Capitol in Raleigh.
The event is scheduled to begin Saturday morning, with readings from speeches given at the Secession Convention in 1861. On May 20 of that year, delegates voted unanimously to join the Confederate States of America in a bid to preserve the institution of slavery.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Listening to Ron Paul's speech, you would think the anti war/pro gay marriage/anti drug law liberal would be supportive of him. Too bad many that would support him won't publicly for fear of being labeled a tea party, tea bagging racist. I believe there are a lot of people quietly supporting Ron Paul.
Not even FOX news, the tea party mecca of cable news media, is giving ron paul his fair air time. FOX is giving more air time to PALIN, BACHMAN AND ROMNEY!!!!
So much for FOX being the tea party candidates cheerleaders!! NOT!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
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