To rollarama....then one of your workers is passing himself off as the owner....when I picked up my nephew I asked a short man with glasses who was standing with some people in red shirts what was going on and that was what he told me....my appologies if it was not you sir.
It is amazing that everyone knows that cops have tazers/guns and laws have gotten stricter.............yet crime is up!! And now we have gun toting criminals. It's just a matter of time when they too will own tazers.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
I have seen groups mass when a fight breaks out here on the hill. The question though for the incident at Rollerama is why wasn't back up called in? If there was a large group circling than back up should have been first priority to protect not only bystanders but the cops themselves.
IF there were only three cops there I can understand they felt overwhelmed, BUT still can't understand why the teen was tazed, unless he threatened with a weapon, knife, gun whatever.
I am no wide-eyed liberal who thinks that the punks are right and the cops are wrong. Far from it. I think that the militarization of law enforcement when dealing with people is getting a little thick for my taste and comfort level. Use of these devices would be considered torture if used on the terrorists we capture on the battlefield overseas yet we see their use becoming more and more frequent to the extent that police are even tasering elderly people for being argumentive over traffic tickets. We have fully auto weaponry, body armor, military weapons, flash grenades, tasers, and blinding lights to the extent that police automatically treat every incident as if it were John Dillinger and Billy the Kid combined on the other end. I am not entirely comfortable with the militant nature of it. Settling a dispute or fisticuffs doesn't always mean resorting to this kind of force but I am under the belief that the training is calling for it. Just as the training calls for high capacity magazines and the indiscriminate firing of as many rounds into or at an assailant rather than old fashioned marksmanship, which used to be the standard. Laying down suppressing fire with overwhelming firepower may be ideal on a foreign battlefield yet America is not a foreign battlefield.
My question is more one of the overall direction of where civilian law enforcement is heading. Where does it end? What is the next tool? A Buck Rogers device? One which imobilizes through a shock or electrical wave every person in the Rollarama building until Police can safely enter and sort out who is in the wrong? Tell me if you have a problem with that. Because that is where these tools are heading.
Ask around and find out if the Geneva Conventions allow for these devices in the handling of prisoners of war. Liberals are so concerned about how we handle the war criminals and want to give them even higher standards of protection than GC allows. Do our troops use tasers to get information from terrorists? Do the MPs use them on POWs?
Yes GB i know you are not a liberal.......i am pretty sure i know who you are. I am not going to get into a big debate with you over this incident. I guess we see things differently regarding this situation. It is not like it use to be 25 years ago....
Easy to critizize from the comfort of our homes......obviously the situation was alot more serious then we know.
People need to know tasers are less-lethal not non-lethal weapons so there use needs to be limited to serious threats. If the kid was armed with a knife or club then I would say justified but that was not the case, the kid was unarmed. If the cop could not subdue a unarmed 13yr old by himself without the use of a weapon then maybe that cop needs to look for another job. I used to be all for tasers for police but after years of abuse of this weapon I changed my mind.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Yes GB i know you are not a liberal.......i am pretty sure i know who you are. I am not going to get into a big debate with you over this incident. I guess we see things differently regarding this situation. It is not like it use to be 25 years ago....
I agree with that 1000000000000% I just want the police who respond to be very careful before they use that weapon. Some of the youtube videos that I have seen (patrol cameras and cameras in public places) have caught the police using that thing on elderly people who were simply arguing with them and not posing a threat or fighting. Of course one should not argue with police but we all know that sometimes cooler heads need to defuse, and there are SKILLS that police need to use. If that part of what they learned is forgotten then I ask myself how would an UNARMED C.O. do their job. But they do it without weapons and they have to be pretty smart, and pretty good with dealing with the cons. You may know that!
Just showing up (and I am not saying that is what happened) and tasing is not good police work. The kid is probably a punk, but I am wary, very wary of the over-use of that tool. Again, if it can be used on American citizens who are innocent until proven guilty then why is it something our military doesn't use on terrorists? Because it would be declared torture.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
ROTTERDAM Police defend use of Taser on teen Incident followed roller rink scrap BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter
Rotterdam police said a 13-yearold boy burst out of the Rollerama “swinging” uncontrollably before he was zapped with a Taser on Friday. The Schenectady youth, whose name was not released by police, had gotten into an altercation inside and was escorted out by two security staffers. Owner Scott Newberry said the roller skating rink was easily twice as busy as normal on Friday evening, but was orderly aside from the scrap that broke out between two youths about 10 minutes before the rink closed. Once outside, the boy caught sight of the youth he was arguing with and assaulted his intended target, police said. When he was pulled off by police, the youth just kept swinging wildly, Rotterdam Police Lt. Tom Culbert said. “[The officers] said he came out of the door swinging,” he said. “They said he was trying to hit anyone that got near him.” Culbert, who arrived afterward, said officers warned the boy to calm down “four or five times” and then one brandished a Taser at him. With a crowd starting to form, the offi cer decided to shoot the weapon at the boy rather than risk accidentally harming bystanders by spraying a cloud of pepper spray. Culbert said the Taser projectile was fired at the youth and a charge was deployed once. He said the boy was quickly brought “in compliance” and then handcuffed without further incident. Rotterdam police are defending the use of a Taser against the boy, stressing that his age didn’t make a difference in their approach to the incident. Culbert said the weapon was used properly to bring quick resolution to an incident that could have otherwise spiraled out of control. “All of these things transpired in two or three minutes and then it was done,” Culbert said. .......................>>>>..........................>>>>.................http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r00101&AppName=1
Yup just like I posted figured the ones involved from Schenectady : (
Still bothers me about the tazer though, just seems that they could have subdued him manually.
Interesting quote by the owner
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“At one point, I said we’re not letting any more people in,” he said. “We work really hard to ensure we have the right crowd and everything is safe in our building.”
Did they use the hand taser or the projectile taser? If they used a hand taser, you would think the officers could have subdued a 13 year old by yoking him up with a night stick. I'm not in law enforcement, but it seems like our patrolmen are using non lethal crowd control tools that were once reserved for riot police. What's next, rubber bullets and water cannons? A little excessive for a 13 year old IMO.
Using the Tazer was INEXCUSABLE! Give me a break. It was unnecessary force and that cop whould be investigated. This was extremem force for a 13 year old. Similar story in Florida I think where they tazered a senior citizen. Rotterdam cop was OUT OF LINE.
I am not rushing to judgement on the individual officer as much as I am concerned about the direction of the training to bring irresistible force into the picture so swiftly and to react to each call or disturbance as if it is a firefight in Faluja about to happen. Police today are trained like soldiers to think and react automatically, often with force that is not in keeping with the concept of "to protect and to serve." The law enforcement world has become militarized to the extent that this is the tip of the ice berg. A policeman needs to also be thoughtful and deliberate and not just have the tools of brute force at his disposal "because he can." We all know where "Because I can" leads to.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
did this kid threaten someone's life? Did he pull out a gun or knife or bomb? Was this incident life threatening?
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
This was a bad decision by an officer. This needs investigating NOW. You should not need to be worried that your child might get tazered in Rotterdam. They have had kids out of control at the rink before. How do you expect children to be non-violent when your own police force cannot handle young kids.
They should have called the spd for back up. They are confronted with gang fights all the time. Although I'm hopeful that this was just an isolated incident.
But again my only question was IF this was 'life threatening' and if this kid had a weapon.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
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