Ahhh, yes, the wonderful Rebels that America spend $1 billion dollars to topple the terrorist Gadaffi. Now the people that are part of this wonderful grassroots rebellion are rounding up black people and putting them in internment camps. Way to go Barack.
Blacks are being killed there in a move some see as genocide, their houses and stores are being torched and as you said they're being rounded up, many be executed. So much for this great peace mission Obama got us into.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Don't ya love it when the Rabid Righties on this board side with Muammar Gaddafi, and the Terrorists of Lockerbie Pan Am Flight 103, against the President of the United States. All politics, all the time.
Terrorist Gaddafi killed 243 passengers and 16 crew members of Flight 103... but this is politics, so the Right is on the side of Terrorism as long as it gets Obama out of office. Very patriotic!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
We're creating another Iran which the world doesn't want or need.
EXACTLY!!!!!! Ya see, obama is now part of the same corrupt system as bush was!!! So much for that hope and change thing, eh?
Vote RON PAUL!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Don't ya love it when the Rabid Righties on this board side with Muammar Gaddafi, and the Terrorists of Lockerbie Pan Am Flight 103, against the President of the United States. All politics, all the time.
I don't think nobody is siding with Gaffafi we are just exposing what a disaster this operation or military coup is. This little revolution we are siding with now is turning to what looks a lot like Nazi Germany, these rebels are killing and imprisoning a entire race in that country, are you siding with those actions?
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
I don't think nobody is siding with Gaffafi we are just exposing what a disaster this operation or military coup is. This little revolution we are siding with now is turning to what looks a lot like Nazi Germany, these rebels are killing and imprisoning a entire race in that country, are you siding with those actions?
What ever Libya decides to do with their country is up to them... not me. For the price of some weapons, some aircraft missions and some intelligence, Barack Obama (with NATO) has accomplished against Terrorist Qaddafi with a few billion dollars, what GWB couldn't do with $2-3 Trillion and 4400 dead American Patriots, in Iraq. The future if Libya is up to Libya.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
EXACTLY!!!!!! Ya see, obama is now part of the same corrupt system as bush was!!! So much for that hope and change thing, eh?
Vote RON PAUL!!
Um Bumble... Ron Paul is running for the REPUBLICAN nomination. Paul has mostly REPUBLICAN values, and most of his agenda is typical REPUBLICAN...
So if it's a change from your "same corrupt system as Bush" You'd better find an independent candidate... not another typical REPUBLICAN.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
What ever Libya decides to do with their country is up to them... not me. For the price of some weapons, some aircraft missions and some intelligence, Barack Obama (with NATO) has accomplished against Terrorist Qaddafi with a few billion dollars, what GWB couldn't do with $2-3 Trillion and 4400 dead American Patriots, in Iraq. The future if Libya is up to Libya.
Hopefully Obama can accomplish getting a NATO base on Africa and split up the African Union. We can't let the Africans unify and control their destiny, we need to keep them divided and at war with one another.
Yeah...Gaddafi a terrorist...Keep on telling yourself that...
What ever Libya decides to do with their country is up to them... not me. For the price of some weapons, some aircraft missions and some intelligence, Barack Obama (with NATO) has accomplished against Terrorist Qaddafi with a few billion dollars, what GWB couldn't do with $2-3 Trillion and 4400 dead American Patriots, in Iraq. The future if Libya is up to Libya.
Wait a minute the reason Obama and NATO took action was supposedly to stop a massacre from taking place, now we have a genocide happening at the hands of a group we knew nothing about. But I see, now that it is starting to look like a disaster you want to wipe your hands clean by saying what happens in Libya is up to them
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Crimes against Humanity Have Gone Unrecognized by International Law
By Manhal Ibrahim
The U.S., France and the U.K. are like the Bermuda Triangle: Rights are forever lost and all slogans of freedom and democracy disappear within it, as though they had never existed.
Translated By Kate Meekings
30 August 2011
Syria - Thawra Al-Wehda - Original Article (Arabic)
We are saddened to see some Western powers, under U.S. leadership, playing with the fate of the region — shamefully and provocatively jockeying for position and vying to interfere, in order to win a piece of the Arab pie. The pieces of this pie have become more and more separated from each other for reasons that are trivial and without substantial basis, most prominently, being deceived by Western lies. The West is leading the region to a mirage that looks like water from far away but turns out to be an oasis of thirst and pain.
It would not be a stretch of the imagination to say that one day the West — with all of its desire, its classic, traditional greed and suspicious objectives, both declared and hidden — will fuel the crises that afflict the region and direct them negatively, in order to reap the long- and short-term rewards.
The United States, France and the United Kingdom are like the Bermuda Triangle: Rights are forever lost and all slogans of freedom and democracy disappear within it, as though they had never existed. The Zionist entity, which is a head of sedition, is one of the engines driving this odious Triangle in their detestable interventions in regional affairs, leaving the door wide open for them to go in overtly or opening a back door for them to slip through with malicious cunning.
With regard to Libya, the Western intervention there, the scale of the war, the excessive military force used, the mobilization and the international call to war against the country almost resemble the American invasion of Iraq. The U.S. led this invasion in cold blood, igniting Iraq, bathing it in blood and stripping the Iraqis of their unity and security in a manner that exceeded all expectations.
The French general has taken on Uncle Sam’s usual leading role this time in striking Libya, setting himself as the spearhead of NATO operations and the devastating Atlantic campaign against military facilities and unarmed civilians, which have sown destruction, devastation and agonizing death in a manner pleasing NATO’s conceit. And let’s not fail to mention that the U.S. was responsible for a quarter of the NATO operations.
The French stubbornness and insistence on leading the NATO operations in Libya confirm that its colonial intentions in Libya and the region have been brought back to life. This is in spite of its claims that it fears for the Libyan people and seeks to alleviate Arab and others’ anger after the experience of the U.S. in Iraq and Afghanistan — as well as the Arab and international resentment, and the political and strategic failures that these experiences have engendered.
There is no doubt that the narrow estimations of French president Nicolas Sarkozy are behind his reckless colonial decision to plunge into the conflict to reap electoral and oil gains. These do not mean a thing when faced with the cascades of blood that have poured from the veins of innocent children, women, old and young, and that have watered the Libyan desert. This blood would be more useful injected or preserved in the bodies of its owners, to use it to restore the structures of the country.
It is certain that the French objective in leading the Atlantic military campaign against Libya is to establish a new geopolitical reality for the region — not to mention that France dreams of controlling North Africa’s energy resources, from Libya to Algeria and Tunisia, far from American hegemony over Iraqi oil.
The military intervention, without the slightest doubt, will present a legal and moral dilemma for NATO, which has devoted all its efforts to killing Libyans. This does not bother many nations in the alliance though; their dictionary does not even recognize these words. Instead they go into war, using various pretexts with the public under the cover of legitimacy as full of holes as a sieve.
The U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, passed on 17 March, accords U.N. members the right to undertake necessary measures to protect civilians and densely populated areas by enforcing a no-fly zone over Libyan airspace. This follows a U.N. summit agreement in 2005, which entrusted the international community with the responsibility to protect populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity. NATO has absolutely not complied with this, since its military actions amount unambiguously to war crimes.
The law that authorized the use of military action stipulated success and protection of civilians as the primary priorities. This has not been the case in bereaved Libya. Instead of stopping military operations by a strict U.N. resolution to end the killing, we find time elapsing and NATO’s war machine harvesting more death and destruction, turning Libya head over heels with internal killings between the sons of this one country. This is a detestable and grievous state of affairs that should be ended as quickly as possible. Libya needs the blood of all its sons; and they need to end this tragic drama and put a stop to NATO’s intervention and ongoing criminal operations, which have not distinguished one Libyan from another. This is what the people need to be aware of first and last.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Murder and torture 'carried out by both sides' of uprising against Libyan regime Amnesty International report is filled with horrific abuses and killings by pro-Gaddafi forces as well as opposition fighters
guardian.co.uk, Monday 12 September 2011 23.51 BST
Libyan rebels gather on armoured vehicles outside Sirte, one of the last strongholds of the fugitive leader Muammar Gaddafi. Photograph: Ciro Fusco/ANSA Rebels as well as pro-Gaddafi forces have perpetrated killings, torture and other abuses during the uprising against the Libyan regime, say human rights investigators.
The civil war that brought down Muammar Gaddafi has been marked by widespread atrocities on both sides, according to Amnesty International.
In one of the most comprehensive reports yet on the human cost of the six-month conflict, Amnesty offers harrowing testimony of the war crimes, killings of unarmed protesters and arbitrary detentions by Gaddafi's security forces. But it also lifts the lid on a catalogue of reprisal attacks that have gained less international attention during the revolution.
"Opposition fighters and supporters have abducted, arbitrarily detained, tortured and killed former members of the security forces, suspected Gaddafi loyalists, captured soldiers and foreign nationals wrongly suspected of being mercenaries fighting on behalf of Gaddafi forces," Amnesty says.
"No independent or credible investigations are known to have been carried out by the NTC [opposition National Transitional Council], nor effective measures taken to hold to account those responsible for these abuses."
One chapter of the report, the Battle for Libya: killings, disappearances and torture, focuses on opposition abuses which, though on a "smaller scale" than those of the regime, are said to have been often ruthless and deadly.
The report says that in the first days of the uprising, groups of protesters killed captured soldiers and suspected mercenaries in al-Bayda, Derna and Benghazi. "Some were beaten to death, at least three were hanged, and others were shot dead after they had been captured or had surrendered," the report says.
Those who tried to distance themselves from Gaddafi's military apparatus were often shown no mercy, Amnesty's researchers found.
A former member of Libya's internal security agency, Ibrahim Khalifa al-Surmani, a father of six, was found dead on 10 May in the outskirts of Benghazi. "He had been shot in the head. His hands and feet were bound and a scarf was tightly tied around his neck. He was missing a piece of flesh from his right calf and marks on his trousers indicated that he had been kneeling. A bloodstained note bearing his name was found by the body; it read: '... a dog among Gaddafi's dogs has been eliminated'."
Amnesty also found more recent unlawful killings "perpetrated by organised groups who operate freely, openly and with impunity". Victims' families were generally unwilling to protest for fear of reprisals and to avoid the stigma of being labelled Gaddafi loyalists or "anti-revolutionary". In addition, opposition groups have detained hundreds of people in areas they control since the end of February, Amnesty says. These include people accused of "subverting the revolution," who say they were never shown an arrest warrant or any other document.
"In most cases, the manner of detention is better described as abduction rather than arrest," the report argues. "They were seized by groups of heavily-armed men, some of them masked, who did not identify themselves. They were then taken away in unmarked vehicles, usually pick-up trucks with anti-aircraft machine-guns mounted at the back."
It continues: "None of the detainees, whether Libyan or foreign civilians, or Libyan soldiers, have had access to a lawyer, been formally charged, or been given the opportunity to challenge their detention before a judicial authority."
Several detainees, including Libyan and foreign civilians, as well as captured soldiers, told Amnesty that they were tortured. Most commonly reported methods included beatings all over the body with objects such as belts, metal bars, sticks, rifle butts and rubber hoses (at times directly on exposed flesh); electric shocks; and threats – including rape.
The report states: "Victims are subjected to beatings and other abuses seemingly to extract confessions and to punish them for their alleged 'crimes'. In some cases, detainees are forced to sign or thumb-print statements under torture or duress without being allowed to read them. In fact, several detainees told Amnesty International that they were interrogated while blindfolded."
Amnesty was shown video footage of a group of rebels taunting captured soldiers at the al-Jalaa hospital in Benghazi, forcing them to repeat "I am a Gaddafi dog," and chew paper.
A detainee at the Saadoun secondary school detention centre in Misrata claimed he was often beaten with a metal bar or belt or given electric shocks. "It is very painful," the man was quoted as saying. "He wants me to confess that I have killed, raped and stolen; at least one of these crimes. When I say that I didn't do any of these things he tortures me more harshly."
Amnesty says NTC officials have shown willingness to take steps to improve prison conditions and avoid future abuses, but seemed reluctant to investigate and bring those responsible to justice.
The NTC sought to distance itself from the alleged violations. A spokeswoman for the NTC said: "The Amnesty report is overwhelmingly filled with the horrific abuses and killings by the Gaddafi regime. However, there are a small number of incidents involving those opposed to Gaddafi; the NTC strongly condemns any abuses perpetrated by either side."
She added: "The NTC is firmly committed to upholding human rights and the rule of law, both international and local. The violation of rights no longer has a place in Libya. The NTC is putting its efforts to bring any armed groups under official authorities and will fully investigate any incidents brought to our attention."
The findings are largely based on Amnesty's visit to Libya between 26 February and 28 May, including to the cities of al-Bayda, Ajdabiya, Brega, Benghazi, Misrata and Ras Lanouf. The report claims foreigners have been targeted by both sides, particularly individuals with dark skin. But the report adds: The report says people with dark skin were targeted by both sides, but "the allegations about the use of mercenaries proved to be largely unfounded".
The report chronicles in depth the atrocities committed by Gaddafi loyalists, including artillery, mortar and rocket attacks against residential areas and use of indiscriminate weapons such as anti-personnel mines and cluster bombs. Civilians not involved in the fighting were killed and extra-judicial executions carried out.
Amnesty found an extensive campaign of enforced disappearances of perceived opponents across the country, including journalists, writers, online activists and protesters. Thousands of Libyans were abducted from their homes, mosques and streets, or captured near the frontline, frequently with the use of violence. Among the disappeared were children as young as 12.
Desperate for any thing to post against Obama in a vain attempt to some how redeem the Worst President in US History, George Worst Bush.
This isn't about foreign policy or even anything about Libya... This invented crisis is 100% about G Worst Bush's failed policy and failed Presidency.
If you want to see the difference, compare the civil war CREATED by the Bush invasion to Libya. Compare the US War dead in both Iraq and Libya.
No matter how good or bad Obama does as president, America will continue to Blame Bush for the Bush Failed Economy, two failed wars, and Debt.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Desperate for any thing to post against Obama in a vain attempt to some how redeem the Worst President in US History, George Worst Bush.
I posted a news article...It wasn't for or against anybody...I didn't even comment...You can take away what you like.
I'm sure those against torture will be appalled at the reports of torture in Libya. Luckily Obama and America was on the side of the "good guys" in the rebellion. The people that follow the rules of Geneva Convention. Money well spent.
A new phenomenon occurred in America since the 60's anti war anti establishment assumed government power and took control of the media. Suddenly now when Democrats launch our cruise missiles, they only killed the "bad guys". Democrat launched missiles always hit their mark, never collateral damage.(At least never reported)
Ahhhh...Who am I fooling? We know the anti war leftist were not concerned about the war or social equality. It was a leftist political movement motivated by expanding and controlling the totalitarian state.
There's that pesky Terrorist Gaddafi again. Thank goodness we took him out.
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Tony Blair 'visited Libya to lobby for JP Morgan'
A spokesman for Mr Blair said that the visits had largely been to discuss Africa, and categorically denied that he had lobbied Said al-Islam on behalf of JP Morgan. The spokesman said last night: "As we have made clear many times before, Tony Blair has never had any role, either formal or informal, paid or unpaid, with the Libyan Investment Authority or the Government of Libya and he does not and has never had any commercial relationship with any Libyan company or entity."
Mr Blair began work in January 2008 as a £2million-a-yearn adviser to JP Morgan. Last month, American officials told the New York Post newspaper that the bank managed more than half a billion US dollars on behalf of the LIA. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....y-for-JP-Morgan.html
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William Daley's JP Morgan Stock: Obama's Next Chief Of Staff Has Millions Invested
President Barack Obama's next chief of staff holds more than $7.6 million worth of stock in JPMorgan Chase, according to a regulatory filing.
William M. Daley, vice chairman at JPMorgan Chase, holds 175,678 shares in the $2.1 trillion behemoth, the nation's second-largest bank by assets. Daley headed the firm's Corporate Responsibility division, which included oversight of the firm's lobbyists and relations with government officials.
Daley exercised his holdings on Thursday, the same day Obama announced he was bringing in the former banker to run the White House. Daley acquired 201,913 shares to bring his total to 316,327, but sold 140,649 of those shares to cover tax liabilities, according to the filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. JPMorgan shares closed at $43.40 on Monday. But Daley doesn't have to. Though his holdings would likely forbid him from participating in matters directly involving JPMorgan Chase, if he were to maintain his shares he'd simply need to recuse himself from those specific issues involving his former employer, or he could obtain a waiver, according to federal rules. Daley could also place his holdings in a blind trust over which he'd have no control.
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