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Don't confuse "declarations of War, with actual wars for America.  The list that starts at Vietnam and continues to the present day (and far before Vietnam) consists of constant state of military intervention for the USA.  
A partial list:

VIETNAM      l960-75
CUBA      l961      Command operation      
GERMANY      l961      Nuclear threat      Alert during Berlin Wall crisis.
LAOS      1962      
CUBA       l962      
IRAQ      1963      Command operation      CIA organizes coup that killed president, brings Ba'ath Party to power, and Saddam Hussein back from exile to be head of the secret service.
PANAMA      l964      Troops      Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.
INDONESIA      l965      Command operation      Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC      1965-66      Troops, bombing      Marines land during election campaign.
GUATEMALA      l966-67      Command operation      Green Berets intervene against rebels.
DETROIT      l967      Troops      Army battles African Americans, 43 killed.
UNITED STATES      l968      Troops      After King is shot; over 21,000 soldiers in cities.
CAMBODIA      l969-75      Bombing, troops, naval      Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.
OMAN      l970      Command operation      U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.
LAOS      l971-73      Command operation, bombing      U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.
SOUTH DAKOTA      l973      Command operation      Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas.
MIDEAST      1973      Nuclear threat      World-wide alert during Mideast War.
CHILE      1973      Command operation      CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president.
CAMBODIA      l975      Troops, bombing      Gas captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.
ANGOLA      l976-92      Command operation      CIA assists South African-backed rebels.
IRAN      l980      Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing      Raid to rescue Embassy hostages; 8 troops die in copter-plane crash. Soviets warned not to get involved in revolution.
LIBYA      l981      Naval jets      Two Libyan jets shot down in maneuvers.
EL SALVADOR      l981-92      Command operation, troops      Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash.
NICARAGUA      l981-90      Command operation, naval      CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution.
LEBANON      l982-84      Naval, bombing, troops      Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim positions.
GRENADA      l983-84      Troops, bombing      Invasion four years after revolution.
HONDURAS      l983-89      Troops      Maneuvers help build bases near borders.
IRAN      l984      Jets      Two Iranian jets shot down over Persian Gulf.
LIBYA      l986      Bombing, naval      Air strikes to topple nationalist gov't.
BOLIVIA      1986      Troops      Army assists raids on cocaine region.
IRAN      l987-88      Naval, bombing      US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.
LIBYA      1989      Naval jets      Two Libyan jets shot down.
VIRGIN ISLANDS      1989      Troops      St. Croix Black unrest after storm.
PHILIPPINES      1989      Jets      Air cover provided for government against coup.
PANAMA      1989 (-?)      Troops, bombing      Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed.
LIBERIA      1990      Troops      Foreigners evacuated during civil war.
SAUDI ARABIA      1990-91      Troops, jets      Iraq countered after invading Kuwait. 540,000 troops also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel.
IRAQ      1990-91      Bombing, troops, naval      Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; large-scale destruction of Iraqi military.
KUWAIT      1991      Naval, bombing, troops      Kuwait royal family returned to throne.
IRAQ      1991-2003      Bombing, naval      No-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south; constant air strikes and naval-enforced economic sanctions
LOS ANGELES      1992      Troops      Army, Marines deployed against anti-police uprising.
SOMALIA      1992-94      Troops, naval, bombing      U.S.-led United Nations occupation during civil war; raids against one Mogadishu faction.
YUGOSLAVIA      1992-94      Naval      NATO blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.
BOSNIA      1993-?      Jets, bombing      No-fly zone patrolled in civil war; downed jets, bombed Serbs.
HAITI      1994      Troops, naval      Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup.
ZAIRE (CONGO)      1996-97      Troops      Marines at Rwandan Hutu refugee camps, in area where Congo revolution begins.
LIBERIA      1997      Troops      Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.
ALBANIA      1997      Troops      Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.
SUDAN      1998      Missiles      Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.
AFGHANISTAN      1998      Missiles      Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.
IRAQ      1998      Bombing, Missiles      Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.
YUGOSLAVIA      1999      Bombing, Missiles      Heavy NATO air strikes after Serbia declines to withdraw from Kosovo. NATO occupation of Kosovo.
YEMEN      2000      Naval      USS Cole, docked in Aden, bombed.
MACEDONIA      2001      Troops      NATO forces deployed to move and disarm Albanian rebels.
UNITED STATES      2001      Jets, naval      Reaction to hijacker attacks on New York, DC
AFGHANISTAN      2001-?      Troops, bombing, missiles      Massive U.S. mobilization to overthrow Taliban, hunt Al Qaeda fighters, install Karzai regime, and battle Taliban insurgency. More than 30,000 U.S. troops and numerous private security contractors carry our occupation.
YEMEN      2002      Missiles      Predator drone missile attack on Al Qaeda, including a US citizen.
PHILIPPINES      2002-?      Troops, naval      Training mission for Philippine military fighting Abu Sayyaf rebels evolves into combat missions in Sulu Archipelago, west of Mindanao.
COLOMBIA      2003-?      Troops      US special forces sent to rebel zone to back up Colombian military protecting oil pipeline.
IRAQ      2003-?      Troops, naval, bombing, missiles      Saddam regime toppled in Baghdad. More than 250,000 U.S. personnel participate in invasion. US and UK forces occupy country and battle Sunni and Shi'ite insurgencies. More than 160,000 troops and numerous private contractors carry out occupation and build large permanent bases.
LIBERIA      2003      Troops      Brief involvement in peacekeeping force as rebels drove out leader.
HAITI      2004-05      Troops, naval        Marines land after right-wing rebels oust elected President Aristide, who was advised to leave by Washington.
PAKISTAN      2005-?      Missiles, bombing, covert operation      CIA missile and air strikes and Special Forces raids on alleged Al Qaeda and Taliban refuge villages kill multiple civilians. Drone attacks also on Pakistani Mehsud network.
SOMALIA      2006-?      Missiles, naval, troops, command operation      Special Forces advise Ethiopian invasion that topples Islamist government; AC-130 strikes, Cruise missile attacks and helicopter raids against Islamist rebels; naval blockade against "pirates" and insurgents.
SYRIA      2008      Troops      Special Forces in helicopter raid 5 miles from Iraq kill 8 Syrian civilians
YEMEN      2009-?      Missiles, command operation      Cruise missile attack on Al Qaeda kills 49 civilians; Yemeni military assaults on rebels
LIBYA      2011-?


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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that was my point.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Ok Boxy, I am just about half way through the book. And it is a good one......thanks for recommending it.

However, I don't understand why you blast GWB as much as you do without mentioning every other president that has either started or presided over a war.....including obama.

They are all guilty of contributing to why 'war is a racket'.........yes?


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Quoted from bumblethru

However, I don't understand why you blast GWB as much as you do without mentioning every other president that has either started or presided over a war.....including obama.


Because the anti-war crowd is really just an anti-republican crowd.  Watch MSNBC and you will see the amazing transformation from dove to hawk in support of Obama's war.  A war he didn't even attempt to sell to Congress and the American people.  It's hilarious.  I have to admit though, it is apparent they are having trouble keeping the Pro-Obama narrative because nobody knows the goal of the mission.  Too funny.


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Ok Boxy, I am just about half way through the book. And it is a good one......thanks for recommending it.

However, I don't understand why you blast GWB as much as you do without mentioning every other president that has either started or presided over a war.....including obama.

They are all guilty of contributing to why 'war is a racket'.........yes?


Bumbler,
Glad you like the book.  It's especially informative coming from the most decorated US Marine of his time and a General who's led troops into battle, not some FOX NEWS armchair General commentator.

With few exceptions, most US Presidents get into war by circumstance as they react to the situations of their day.  What Butler writes about greed and  profit in war will always be true.
Wars (like WW2) are often waged for valid reasons (IMO, war with Japan and Germany was almost inevitable,) and probably necessary.  Some wars like Somalia or Beirut are  fought for humanitarian or political reasons.  Attacking AlQaeda IMO was necessary... Waging war with Afghanistan was not.  
The war in Iraq was totally fought for OIL... NO OTHER REASON.  The Iraq war was unnecessary and a misuse of the Valor of those Patriots who lost their lives fighting there.  
As Butler points out, war will always be a racket, but an unnecessary war like GWB's Iraq War is criminal.

To quote John Adams:
"Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war."





The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Who's in charge? Germans pull forces out of NATO as Libyan coalition falls apartBy Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:32 AM on 23rd March 2011

Tensions with Britain as Gates rebukes UK government over suggestion Gaddafi could be assassinated
French propose a new political 'committee' to oversee operations

Germany pulls equipment out of NATO coalition over disagreement over campaign's direction

Italians accuse French of backing NATO in exchange for oil contracts

No-fly zone called into question after first wave of strikes 'neutralises' Libyan military machine
U.K. ministers say war could last '30 years'

Italy to 'take back control' of bases used by allies unless NATO leadership put in charge of the mission

Russians tell U.S. to stop bombing in order to protect civilians - calls bombing a 'crusade'

Deep divisions between allied forces currently bombing Libya worsened today as the German military announced it was pulling forces out of NATO over continued disagreement on who will lead the campaign.

A German military spokesman said it was recalling two frigates and AWACS surveillance plane crews from the Mediterranean, after fears they would be drawn into the conflict if NATO takes over control from the U.S.
The infighting comes as a heated meeting of NATO ambassadors yesterday failed to resolve whether the 28-nation alliance should run the operation to enforce a U.N.-mandated no-fly zone, diplomats said.
Yesterday a war of words erupted between the U.S. and Britain after the U.K. government claimed Muammar Gaddafi is a legitimate target for assassination.
U.K. government officials said killing the Libyan leader would be legal if it prevented civilian deaths as laid out in a U.N. resolution.

But U.S. defence secretary Robert Gates hit back at the suggestion, saying it would be 'unwise' to target the Libyan leader adding cryptically that the bombing campaign should stick to the 'U.N. mandate'.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....t.html#ixzz1HQd92oax


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Looks like Joe Biden will be leading the calls for the impeachment of his boss.  Can't wait to hear the spin on this one.


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A Declaration of War:



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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It's about time for the Presidents of both parties to start doing things the proper way and get the approval from Congress b4 attacking another country unless it's a true emergency and there isn't time for that to be done.
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