When ND was a registered rep......it really wasn't as it seemed. When ND flipped to a con........it really wasn't as it seemed. When ND ran on a dem line......it really wasn't as it seemed. When ND had a VOTE REMS sign on her lawn...it really wasn't as it seemed. When AS was a registered rep....it really wasn't as it seemed. When AS flipped to a dem.....it really wasn't as it seemed. When HV flipped from dem to rep to con....it really wasn't as it seemed. When JD flipped from rep to dem.......it really wasn't as it seemed. When the dems/cons ran FDG.......it really wasn't as it seemed. When the dems/cons ran the entire Revitilize Rotterdam team.....it really wasn't as it seemed. When rotterdams TC is awol.........it really isnt as it seems. No als money for three months.....it really isn't what it seems.
ROTTERDAM IS A MESS..........but it really isn't waht it seems!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Here’s the thing, and I can’t believe I’m about to do this, when it comes to ALS fees and the town, the previous administration (Tommasone) did what he believed was best for the community. Ouch, that hurt.
Tommasone knew that the town is not permitted to bill for ALS fees, only the ambulance can bill for the fees. Did you get that? The town can not bill for the fees for the paramedics, only the ambulance. So what if REMS decided that it would not bill for ALS fees (and why should they when they are not entitled to keep the fees)? That would leave the town without ALS fees, unless they went to another provider willing to bill and turn over the fees.
One can assume that ST knew that REMS was hurting financially and ST knew that REMS was only afloat by billing and keeping the ALS fees. But there was no way to know what REMS billed for and what they did not bill for and we can surmise that ST cared more about keeping the home grown local service than he did a for profit company. To make matters worse we had no way of forcing REMS to submit the ALS fees to the comptroller and remember, the past administration was trying to “Save REMS”
Whether you liked the last town board or not, you knew where they stood on this issue and they were all willing to put their political futures on the line to stand for what they believed in. The demise of the previous board and the local GOP wasn’t about the no tax party, it was about infighting and not learning how to stay together while disagreeing.
And Gadfly, just because ND doesn’t have the support on the board to get action on the ALS issue, doesn’t mean she’s exempt from criticism for not doing more than she is, that’s unless she’s being told what to do.
If the GOP endorses N (everything isn’t what it seems) Dileva, it will only go to prove that the same local bosses who ran Denny (A DEM) are still controlling the vote and not doing what’s right for the party.
I agree, Zorro. Time for new blood and energy, not a cross endorsement of someone who left the ranks to run against the GOP in the last election. There is no traction for her and according to Gadfly she has no intention of coming back as a Republican. Trying to endorse her will split the party further asunder and the active young workers will be immediately drawn to the BM camp and so will the primary votes. Of course if she has the copservative line she can stay on as a spoiler and maybe that is what she wants. In the meantime there is a Republican that is actively running and campaigning to win who brings new energy to the party.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
I agree, Zorro. Time for new blood and energy, not a cross endorsement of someone who left the ranks to run against the GOP in the last election. There is no traction for her and according to Gadfly she has no intention of coming back as a Republican. Trying to endorse her will split the party further asunder and the active young workers will be immediately drawn to the BM camp and so will the primary votes. Of course if she has the copservative line she can stay on as a spoiler and maybe that is what she wants. In the meantime there is a Republican that is actively running and campaigning to win who brings new energy to the party.
That's what many rotterdamians been saying all along........ND will be the spoiler! I know things aren't 'as they seem'....but ND is not wanted by the majority!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
I agree, Zorro. Time for new blood and energy, not a cross endorsement of someone who left the ranks to run against the GOP in the last election. There is no traction for her and according to Gadfly she has no intention of coming back as a Republican. Trying to endorse her will split the party further asunder and the active young workers will be immediately drawn to the BM camp and so will the primary votes. Of course if she has the copservative line she can stay on as a spoiler and maybe that is what she wants. In the meantime there is a Republican that is actively running and campaigning to win who brings new energy to the party.
For years and years and years, my spouse and I, and our family, have not really been "active" republicans. I know that didn't sit well with many GOP elected officials who expect us to donate and help them during elections. But with family, jobs and everything else going on, there never seemed to be enough time. Things were ok, we might have complained at the water cooler (even though ST took them out), but nothing really motivated us to get involved. until now.
I think that there are many republicans like us that have had enough. It is frustrating to think that the RPD has hijacked the Conservative party, for their own personal agenda, but it's even worse to think that GP has hijacked our local party for HIS own personal agenda, so enough is enough.
GB, when the e is right we'll be there to help put honest, sincere and honorable Republicans in those districts that GP's puppets sit and hand over their GOP committee proxies.
One last thing, the CSEA has never given their support to a Rotterdam Republican canidate, only to support someone else in a primary.
Also, you can. What you want about unions, but our contract has been pretty fair for both the employees and the town. Not sure that can be said for other town contracts.
Here’s the thing, and I can’t believe I’m about to do this, when it comes to ALS fees and the town, the previous administration (Tommasone) did what he believed was best for the community. Ouch, that hurt.
Tommasone knew that the town is not permitted to bill for ALS fees, only the ambulance can bill for the fees. Did you get that? The town can not bill for the fees for the paramedics, only the ambulance. So what if REMS decided that it would not bill for ALS fees (and why should they when they are not entitled to keep the fees)? That would leave the town without ALS fees, unless they went to another provider willing to bill and turn over the fees.
One can assume that ST knew that REMS was hurting financially and ST knew that REMS was only afloat by billing and keeping the ALS fees. But there was no way to know what REMS billed for and what they did not bill for and we can surmise that ST cared more about keeping the home grown local service than he did a for profit company. To make matters worse we had no way of forcing REMS to submit the ALS fees to the comptroller and remember, the past administration was trying to “Save REMS”
Whether you liked the last town board or not, you knew where they stood on this issue and they were all willing to put their political futures on the line to stand for what they believed in. The demise of the previous board and the local GOP wasn’t about the no tax party, it was about infighting and not learning how to stay together while disagreeing.
And Gadfly, just because ND doesn’t have the support on the board to get action on the ALS issue, doesn’t mean she’s exempt from criticism for not doing more than she is, that’s unless she’s being told what to do.
If the GOP endorses N (everything isn’t what it seems) Dileva, it will only go to prove that the same local bosses who ran Denny (A DEM) are still controlling the vote and not doing what’s right for the party.
The vig on REMS wasn't as worthy as it seemed......there was no pressure to have a town sponsored ambulance....it was a lie from before ST board......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
When ND was a registered rep......it really wasn't as it seemed. When ND flipped to a con........it really wasn't as it seemed. When ND ran on a dem line......it really wasn't as it seemed. When ND had a VOTE REMS sign on her lawn...it really wasn't as it seemed. When AS was a registered rep....it really wasn't as it seemed. When AS flipped to a dem.....it really wasn't as it seemed. When HV flipped from dem to rep to con....it really wasn't as it seemed. When JD flipped from rep to dem.......it really wasn't as it seemed. When the dems/cons ran FDG.......it really wasn't as it seemed. When the dems/cons ran the entire Revitilize Rotterdam team.....it really wasn't as it seemed. When rotterdams TC is awol.........it really isnt as it seems. No als money for three months.....it really isn't what it seems.
ROTTERDAM IS A MESS..........but it really isn't waht it seems!!
I never disputed that ND was registered Rep. I never disputed that ND ran on the Dem line. If you believe that the REMS sign is proof that ND voted "Yes"...then no, it isn't as it seems. I never disputed that Angelo was registered Rep....or that he flipped to Dem. I never disputed HV's Party hopping. I never disputed that JD flipped from Rep to Dem. I never disputed that FDG is a Con who ran on the Dem line. I never disputed that the Dem ticket ran on a "Revitalize Rotterdam" platform. I never disputed that EE is awol. I never disputed the loss of ALS funds without a contract with an ambulance service to bill for them and collect them.
The reason I don't dispute the above is because they are easily confirmed facts....most of which can be accomplished with recorded enrollment history and election results...the rest with copies of campaign literature, EE's absence from Town Hall, and the non-existent ALS contract required to collect.
What isn't as it seems, are the assumptions you make about perceived alliances, associations and motives that are not officially recorded or not...you would have to be there...but you are obviously not...because if you were you would know that your analysis is formed by midguided speculation.
Tommasone knew that the town is not permitted to bill for ALS fees, only the ambulance can bill for the fees. Did you get that? The town can not bill for the fees for the paramedics, only the ambulance. So what if REMS decided that it would not bill for ALS fees (and why should they when they are not entitled to keep the fees)? That would leave the town without ALS fees, unless they went to another provider willing to bill and turn over the fees.
One can assume that ST knew that REMS was hurting financially and ST knew that REMS was only afloat by billing and keeping the ALS fees. But there was no way to know what REMS billed for and what they did not bill for and we can surmise that ST cared more about keeping the home grown local service than he did a for profit company. To make matters worse we had no way of forcing REMS to submit the ALS fees to the comptroller and remember, the past administration was trying to “Save REMS”
Whether you liked the last town board or not, you knew where they stood on this issue and they were all willing to put their political futures on the line to stand for what they believed in. The demise of the previous board and the local GOP wasn’t about the no tax party, it was about infighting and not learning how to stay together while disagreeing.
And Gadfly, just because ND doesn’t have the support on the board to get action on the ALS issue, doesn’t mean she’s exempt from criticism for not doing more than she is, that’s unless she’s being told what to do.
If the GOP endorses N (everything isn’t what it seems) Dileva, it will only go to prove that the same local bosses who ran Denny (A DEM) are still controlling the vote and not doing what’s right for the party.
Yes, Tommasone knew the Town couldn't bill for the fees...but he also knew, or at least should have known (and I believe he did, based on detailed discussions of the matter among him and the Board that were recently revealed to me by John Mertz, who was present during those discussions, and the fact that ST slipped 120g into the budget on his way out knowing they were keeping that money and would no longer be able to do so) that a contract was necessary to allow that billing and collection...which would include terms for fees kept as payment for billing and collection service, and the remainder to be paid to the Town...that's why they would bill and collect...to keep the agreed upon percentage of the collections as fees...which REMS proposed to be 10% in the last discussion on the subject...Mohawk wanted 8%. So yes...I get the fact that only the ambulance can bill for ALS....and if REMS doesn't want to bill and hand over the bulk of the collected funds to the Town, all the more reason not to give the BLS contract to REMS.
Regardless of ST's intentions, or knowledge of REMS disastrous financials, the fact is he had no statutory authority to allow REMS to bill and fully retain collections. You're right about the likely inabilty to determine the billing and collection totals, as I have previously noted...but a personal preference, presumed or otherwise, to "save REMS" does not justify breaking the rules...and one of the purposes of the required contract is to ensure that an agreed upon portion of collections is forwarded to the Town that provides the service for which an ambulance provider is billing.
It's hard to know where ST really stood on the issue....back in the Paolino administration when he constantly opposed everything Paolino said, did and proposed, ST favored the private option...at least that's what he said publicly and what he told me...but back then he didn't have to buy the CP line with that tax district...as he did in his last re-election bid...only to be stiffed...which is why he punted the issue to voters. The re-emerging opposition to the ems tax simply began at a convenient time...right after authorization deadlines passed...the CP authorized a Designation for FDG against the already-endorsed ST to avoid the more difficult write-in to stiff their own endorsed candidate for Supervisor. and the GOP did not get the authorizations they expected for their Board candidates from the CP....so they weren't willing to risk their political futures for what they believed in...they agreed to the unnecessary tax deal in their own political interests in the first place.
The NNTP spoiled Republican candidates...they all lost by the NNTP margins...except ND who would have won even if all of those votes when to the Rep....but I also think the NNTP was more of a symtom of the GOP infighting at the heart of their struggles...and what has so far been an inability to unify despite disagreements...legitimate or not.
I never suggested that ND or anyone else is exempt from criticism....but ND and FDG are doing more than most realize...and I think there may be a chance that they will get the support they need to address that issue....and while there have been many attempts from others to tell her what to do...she has been uniformly uncooperative....that's how the REMS sign ended up on her lawn -lol.
The Party Committee's ultimate purpose it to win elections with candidates ideologically aligned with the Party's beliefs...regardless of who controls Committee votes...and of those, they will nominate candidates they believe have the best chance to win...right, wrong or indifferent. If they were to nominate ND for any position, it would be with this in mind. It would be wiser to nominate a candidate who beat theirs handily than losing to her again. If the Party nominates BM for Supervisor, then theyll be supporting a nominee that spoiled their last Supervisor candidate.
BTW...it's not 'EVERYTHING isn't what it seems'...it's 'things AREN'T ALWAYS as they seem'.
I agree, Zorro. Time for new blood and energy, not a cross endorsement of someone who left the ranks to run against the GOP in the last election. There is no traction for her and according to Gadfly she has no intention of coming back as a Republican. Trying to endorse her will split the party further asunder and the active young workers will be immediately drawn to the BM camp and so will the primary votes. Of course if she has the copservative line she can stay on as a spoiler and maybe that is what she wants. In the meantime there is a Republican that is actively running and campaigning to win who brings new energy to the party.
If it's time for new blood and energy then why is anyone even talking about endorsements for ST??? Or you???
ND did not switch to Conservative for the purpose of running against the GOP...and no, she is not switching back to Republican...that was made clear when discussions with her first began.
How would endorsing a Conservative split the Party?? You never say that when Conservatives who are conservative support your candidates...you didn't say that when you cross endorsed Mike Viscusi (C) for the County Leg the year you dropped out to lose the Board race after campaigning on both sides of the REMS tax issue.
If ND ran on her own Party line it wouldn't be a spoiler...it would be a matter of a Party nominating their own candidate to run on their own established ballot line...because unlike the NNTP, the CP is a Party. But when BM announces his intention to form a real spoiler whether he is nominated or not, knowing it will spoil your candidate if he isn't, he is not a spoiler?
How do you fit your feet in your mouth when both sides of it are constantly running?
That's what many rotterdamians been saying all along........ND will be the spoiler! I know things aren't 'as they seem'....but ND is not wanted by the majority!!!
Really? All along? Gee BT...this is the first time I've heard that since BM long ago committed to the NNTP spoiler. ND has never played a spoiler and hasn't threatened it, unlike BM. Sure...BM tells us that he is running on his NNTP line whether the GOP nominates him or not because he just wants to run so that is not a spoiler...but if ND runs on her own Party line because she wants to run too, which would be the only reason she would do it, she's a spoiler.
The double standards of BM supporters are astounding....no, make that triple standards...according to Cicero, if the GOP doesn't nominate BM, then the GOP is the spoiler, not the NNTP line on which BM would appear - LMAO
If ND wasn't wanted by the majority she wouldn't have been the top vote getter.
The vig on REMS wasn't as worthy as it seemed......there was no pressure to have a town sponsored ambulance....it was a lie from before ST board......
That's right Senders...the ems tax was always a scam from the moment of its conception...but it was the ST Board that tried to make it a reality in exchange for political endorsements he never got.
The Party Committee's ultimate purpose it to win elections with candidates ideologically aligned with the Party's beliefs...regardless of who controls Committee votes...and of those, they will nominate candidates they believe have the best chance to win...right, wrong or indifferent. If they were to nominate ND for any position, it would be with this in mind. It would be wiser to nominate a candidate who beat theirs handily than losing to her again. If the Party nominates BM for Supervisor, then theyll be supporting a nominee that spoiled their last Supervisor candidate.
This paragraph is full of contradictions. ND was a Republican turned Conservative endorsed by the Democrats. If the Party Committee's ultimate purpose is to win elections with candidates ideologically aligned with the party's beliefs, is sounds like you are suggesting the Democrat and Republican Party share ideological beliefs since both endorsed ND is a relatively short period of time. Why would an ideological conservative vote for a candidate with ND's political party musical chairs record? And please explain to me again how if ND was a registered Republican as County Legislator, turned Copservative, then endorsed Democrats, why she isn't considered a Republican spoiler? Is it because she was endorsed by a "real" party?
I think your political assessment is guided by you party bias, which is understandable. But I think the lay person is going to look at her political career and come to the logical conclusion that she's a political opportunist, willing to accept ANY endorsement regardless of ideology. Which make you wonder what her guiding principles are. Are they just to WIN period?
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