and "if owners dont care why should guests" is a great statement
Hey tippy....who are rotterdam's 'guests'? Are you referring to the 'guests' that come to Rotterdam from Saratoga, Clifton Park, Guilderland, Colonie??? Cause let me inform you...they ain't comin'!! Never did and never will!
Now the city folk on the other hand ARE rotterdam's 'guests'. And in case you haven't noticed....they don't give a sh!t how cleaned up rotterdam is. They have become part of rotterdam's problem.
However....rotterdamians should take pride in the town they live in.....for themselves. Please don't try to fool the rotterdamians into thinking that if the town is cleaned up, sewers, new businesses...'they will come'. Rotterdamians is and historically was the only foot traffic in that town.
imho
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What's the developer promising to build, a multimillion dollar factory that will employ 100+ people with good paying jobs? Right near the rollerskating rink, tuxedo shop, and senior center? Sewers need to go town wide, not this patch work sh!t.
Rotterdam is an older community. For many, when weighing the ROI versus the number of years left on earth, putting in sewer doesn't make much sense.
The site in question is not the old Grand Union site -- and I agree that sewers need to go in town-wide ... but since residents have resisted that effort for decades ( at least 45 years) .. we have to put the sewers in where they are needed NOW.
Nayboobs don't seem to understand that one of the reasons that Rotterdam has such high tax rates is because its land is UNDERDEVELOPED. If Hamburg Street and ALL of Route 7 from one end of the town to the other -- and ALL of Route 158 -- ALL of Mariaville Rd -- ALL of Putnam Rd -- this town would have a higher level of residential and commercial development --------and our tax rates would be much lower.
Yet still the Nayboobs sit in the corner of their bunkers rocking back and forth, sucking their thumbs and whining about how high taxes are and shooting down every COMMON SENSE solution that would lower taxes.
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The site in question is not the old Grand Union site -- and I agree that sewers need to go in town-wide ... but since residents have resisted that effort for decades ( at least 45 years) .. we have to put the sewers in where they are needed NOW.
Yet still the Nayboobs sit in the corner of their bunkers rocking back and forth, sucking their thumbs and whining about how high taxes are and shooting down every COMMON SENSE solution that would lower taxes.
I'm not being negative, just stating the facts. Schalmont is closing 2 schools because declining enrollment, that is a FACT. Young couples starting families are NOT MOVING INTO ROTTERDAM. My point is, when trying to sell the cost of sewers to a person nearing or at retirement age and collecting a fixed income, you would have a hard time convincing them that $1000 a year for a sewer system is worth it, when their septic system would most likely work sufficiently for the rest of their natural life for a fraction of the cost. I would like to see you convince a 65 year old retired person that an extra $1000 a year will lower their taxes.
Take a look at the numbers below. We are above the state and national average for elderly and below the state and national average for young adults. 65% of the population is over the age of 45 or under the age of 14.
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Population Age / Growth Rotterdam, NYNew York United States Total Population 20,612 19,280,841 306,069,955 Population Density 2,974 353 NA Population Change Since 1990 -2% 7% 23% Population Change Since 2000 1% 2% 9% Population Male 49.09% 48.71% 49.35% Population Female 50.91% 51.29% 50.65% Median Age 42.12 37.25 36.05 Population by Age Age 0-4 5.3% 6.13% 6.77% Age 5-9 5.66% 6.01% 6.6% Age 10-14 6.27% 6.22% 6.62% Age 15-19 6.3% 6.91% 6.98% Age 20-24 5.11% 7.18% 6.98% Age 25-29 5.81% 6.73% 6.8% Age 30-34 5.32% 6.4% 6.51% Age 35-39 5.94% 6.8% 6.69% Age 40-44 6.86% 7.36% 7.12% Age 45-49 7.4%7.63%7.38% Age 50-54 7.39% 7.22% 7.07% Age 55-59 6.78% 6.38% 6.24% Age 60-64 6.43%5.3%5.15% Age 65-69 5.57% 4.02%3.92% Age 70-74 4.19%3.09% 2.97% Age 75-79 3.78%2.55%2.43% Age 80-84 3.15%2.02%1.89% Age 85+ 2.72%2.05%1.88%
Hey tippy....who are rotterdam's 'guests'? Are you referring to the 'guests' that come to Rotterdam from Saratoga, Clifton Park, Guilderland, Colonie??? Cause let me inform you...they ain't comin'!! Never did and never will!
Now the city folk on the other hand ARE rotterdam's 'guests'. And in case you haven't noticed....they don't give a sh!t how cleaned up rotterdam is. They have become part of rotterdam's problem.
However....rotterdamians should take pride in the town they live in.....for themselves. Please don't try to fool the rotterdamians into thinking that if the town is cleaned up, sewers, new businesses...'they will come'. Rotterdamians is and historically was the only foot traffic in that town.
imho
i'll give you 30/70 guests/local still local pride is becoming lost on the main streets - there seems to be plenty in the neighborhoods and from where visitors come from you are wrong and here is a very lame example i have seen, with my own eyes, Ms. Savage in the town of rotterdam - actually doing a non political activity and more than once
some of the business databases i have access to suggest otherwise, they are coming here and driving right by people on the main drags need to realize this fact and CLEAN IT UP Campbell Rd Curry Rd Duanesburg Rd Burdeck St Broadway Mariaville Rd Hamburg St Guilderland Ave
a little spit and polish goes a long way
the board needs to work with the business, home owners and assessor so there is no penalty for a new facade/siding/roof or lanscaping
business' in this town need to build off each other, share info
The Town(DPW) needs to be on the A$$'s of owners of run down propertys to clean up or remove the the filth
and all the "SIGNS"
total additional taxpayer cost "zero"
maybe i'll put up signs all over town "Get Off Your A$$", "CLEAN IT UP"
Talking to each other is better than talking about each other
some of the business databases i have access to suggest otherwise, they are coming here and driving right by people on the main drags need to realize this fact and CLEAN IT UP Campbell Rd Curry Rd Duanesburg Rd Burdeck St Broadway Mariaville Rd Hamburg St Guilderland Ave
They are driving 'thru' to reach another destination!!! Small towns like rotterdam have businesses to 'sustain' the towns folk. Not to be a tourist attraction. Let's face it....walmart is the draw to rotterdam.
Cleaning it up? Sure...how bout starting taking down all of the carboard/paper signs that dot utility poles in rotterdam.
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some of the business databases i have access to suggest otherwise, they are coming here and driving right by people on the main drags need to realize this fact and CLEAN IT UP Campbell Rd Curry Rd Duanesburg Rd Burdeck St Broadway Mariaville Rd Hamburg St Guilderland Ave
a little spit and polish goes a long way
the board needs to work with the business, home owners and assessor so there is no penalty for a new facade/siding/roof or lanscaping
business' in this town need to build off each other, share info
I understand that we need to do things to start bringing things in, and yes, bringing businesses into this area is something that would help, along with cleaning up certain areas, but there's also certain areas that nobody that knows the history of the area would even think of building a business, and one I would put into this is on the south side of Duanesburg Road in town, and this can be summed up in one word, GOLUB.
How much of a chance do you want to take that Golub is going to need the property that you build your business on so they can start one of their dream projects? Imagine if we HAD businesses on Duanesburg Road between Golub Headquarters and Burdeck Street. What happens next time Golub has another dream of expanding? They rip down many more houses and or business buildings so they can put in a new road... for the 3rd time? Maybe the roadway through the cemetary will be the next Dunnsville Road, then you'l have them going through Antonia Hills? How long will people put up with this?
Where could there be expansion on Burdeck Street? It seems quite full to me.
Rt7 by I88.....a line of high end discount stores like they have in Lake George.
That would be the best fit for an area that houses a high school.....BUT.....when they do marketing analysis, what will they find? Average income, average education level, traffic, need, competition and statistical information that would support drawing customers from outlying areas.
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“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
You put it well Tippy. I have the nicest front facade on my street, well maintained and covered with stone, newer siding, shingles, concrete driveway, flowers, maintained shrubs/lawn, and my assessment is the highest per square foot on the street. If there was a way for the town to stop spreading cheeks and ramming (ock up a$$ on property owners who actually gave a flying fig about their property then maybe more people would maintain their facades and keep their property looking beautiful. But government is eternally f'ed up and they rape the taxpaying middle class so the "underprivlidged" can get gold teeth and medical care fit for a Saudi prince, and the plutocrats with associate degrees who do things like run the police departments can earn more than people with post-doctoral study from Yale. So NY and Rotterdam specifically won't change. The only solution is for the taxpayers to move out to places like the Carolinas and let the public employees and the welfarites have each other. It will be pretty amusing in about 15-20 years when the house of cards collapses.
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Rt7 by I88.....a line of high end discount stores like they have in Lake George.
That would be the best fit for an area that houses a high school.....BUT.....when they do marketing analysis, what will they find? Average income, average education level, traffic, need, competition and statistical information that would support drawing customers from outlying areas.
Except that "high end discount stores" are doing rather poorly in Lake George and many areas. The one in Lee, Massachusetts did well when the state had no sales tax on clothing.
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The only solution is for the taxpayers to move out to places like the Carolinas and let the public employees and the welfarites have each other. It will be pretty amusing in about 15-20 years when the house of cards collapses.
Right except its happening right now. Walk around RSM and look at the "consumers". Busy selling gold while the jewelry store is now a history kiosk. Empty McDonalds now holds MVP literature. I saw Gary Hughes there hawking his "wares". The middle class is fleeing this County in droves for Saratoga County or the South. More and more fighting for scrapes at the low end of the trough.
the visitors that pass through have nothing to stop for......we need a patina/class/style.....Hamburg St. is perfect for that.....certainly quaint shops not cheesy dumba$$ dollar stores....but little shops....with ALOT OF ADVERTISEMENT....hhhmmm....Rotory club????
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i under stand that this money pool is shrinking , but where does it go?
i also hear this money can be used on infrastructure
I have only dealt with the city as far as CDBG grant money. Your question is a good one -- it will take some looking into.
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The program provides annual grants on a formula basis to entitled cities and counties to develop viable urban communities by providing decent housing and a suitable living environment, and by expanding economic opportunities, principally for low- and moderate-income persons. The program is authorized under Title 1 of the Housing and Community Development Act of 1974, Public Law 93-383, as amended; 42 U.S.C.-5301 et seq.
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HUD awards grants to entitlement community grantees to carry out a wide range of community development activities directed toward revitalizing neighborhoods, economic development, and providing improved community facilities and services.
Entitlement communities develop their own programs and funding priorities. However, grantees must give maximum feasible priority to activities which benefit low- and moderate-income persons. A grantee may also carry out activities which aid in the prevention or elimination of slums or blight. Additionally, grantees may fund activities when the grantee certifies that the activities meet other community development needs having a particular urgency because existing conditions pose a serious and immediate threat to the health or welfare of the community where other financial resources are not available to meet such needs. CDBG funds may not be used for activities which do not meet these broad national objectives.
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principal cities of Metropolitan Statistical Areas (MSAs); other metropolitan cities with populations of at least 50,000; and qualified urban counties with populations of at least 200,000 (excluding the population of entitled cities) are entitled to receive annual grants. HUD determines the amount of each entitlement grant by a statutory dual formula which uses several objective measures of community needs, including the extent of poverty, population, housing overcrowding, age of housing and population growth lag in relationship to other metropolitan areas.
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Right except its happening right now. Walk around RSM and look at the "consumers". Busy selling gold while the jewelry store is now a history kiosk. Empty McDonalds now holds MVP literature. I saw Gary Hughes there hawking his "wares". The middle class is fleeing this County in droves for Saratoga County or the South. More and more fighting for scrapes at the low end of the trough.
