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threeprongplug
January 31, 2011, 5:26pm Report to Moderator
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Dred Scott v. Sanford  and Roe v Wade BOTH legalized grievously immoral behaviors.   Hopefully, Roe v. Wade
will eventually be struck down as Dred Scott was struck down.   But it will probably take an amendment to the US Constitution to get it done.    Just hope that it doesn't take another Civil War to get the amendment enacted.



In your opinion both are immoral.   Correct ?
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It will never be reversed. There is tons of money being made from these dead babies. And it is also beneficial to the population control of targeted 'ethnic groups'.



These figures don't back up your statement.   http://www.abortionfacts.com/statistics/race.asp.     If you can find some current numbers that differ from these please post them.   Until then,  I'll consider you corrected.

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Uh-oh...Here is where the argument gets brought to the point of absurdity and moral relativity.  After all, burying an adulturous Afghan women up to her neck and stoning her to death may be immoral to us judgemental conservative westerners, but to the more liberal progressive westerner, they understand and accept their cultural differences.  Who are we to judge, if their society deem it legal, then we need to show understanding.


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http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

Interesting info here.   Abortions per day worldwide  115,000   U.S  3,700


Who's having abortions (income)?
Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%.     Ummm   over 50% of women having abortions had family incomes over  $30,000.    Total abortions have been declining every year since the 80's.


There is more info on here.    I am really trying to find the conspiracy theory facts.    I have read a slew of conspiracy theory commentaries and spinning of percentages.     Bottom line every year in the U.S there were more white females having abortions.

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A touching production.  

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Uh-oh...Here is where the argument gets brought to the point of absurdity and moral relativity.  After all, burying an adulturous Afghan women up to her neck and stoning her to death may be immoral to us judgemental conservative westerners, but to the more liberal progressive westerner, they understand and accept their cultural differences.  Who are we to judge, if their society deem it legal, then we need to show understanding.



In the middle east men solely make the legal decisions.    In the U.S. it is a combination of both sexes, ironically females make the ultimate decision on an abortion.  

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In the middle east men solely make the legal decisions.    In the U.S. it is a combination of both sexes, ironically females make the ultimate decision on an abortion.  



So in your opinion it makes a difference if men solely make legal decisions?  And I disagree about the combination of both sexes, since we all can agree that the man's opinion on whether to abort or not carries ZERO weight.  Abortion laws are extremely prejudice.


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    Bottom line every year in the U.S there were more white females having abortions.


I really looked for where you found this statistic off of the link you provided.  The only info that comes close is this;

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Who's having abortions (race)?
While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely.


While I agree that white women obtain the highest percentage on a whole, but that is only because whites make up over 80% of the American demographic.  I think the fact black women are 3 times more likely to have an abortion than white women is proof of social injustice.  A good liberal would find a way to get white women to abort babies at the same rate as black women to make it fair.  Kind of like an affirmative action, but for white pregnant women.


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So in your opinion it makes a difference if men solely make legal decisions?  And I disagree about the combination of both sexes, since we all can agree that the man's opinion on whether to abort or not carries ZERO weight.  Abortion laws are extremely prejudice.


No, quite the opposite.    Both genders making decisions on law has helped make our country great.

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Side note:
If Men had the babies instead of Women...
Abortion would be federally funded, safe and legal...

And the population of the world would be about 300!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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I really looked for where you found this statistic off of the link you provided.  The only info that comes close is this;



While I agree that white women obtain the highest percentage on a whole, but that is only because whites make up over 80% of the American demographic.  I think the fact black women are 3 times more likely to have an abortion than white women is proof of social injustice.  A good liberal would find a way to get white women to abort babies at the same rate as black women to make it fair.  Kind of like an affirmative action, but for white pregnant women.


There are many social injustices,  I find that too many entitlements have become a cause for social issues as well.   The abortion issue is a major hot potato and is arguable on so many levels.  I guess we'll let the majority rule on that.

You have proved your point that you are unwavering on your feelings regarding being pro-life , I am not going to change your mind or try to.
I have made it a practice to try not to believe everything I hear or read.   Therefore it takes a lot to change my mind as well.    I have very personal reasons, that I will not divulge, pertaining to my pro-choice stance.    I can be convinced that there could be a conspiracy , but it would take a lot of factual based info.    And I really don't think black women are THE target .
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Side note:
If Men had the babies instead of Women...
Abortion would be federally funded, safe and legal...

And the population of the world would be about 300!  


You got that one right!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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In your opinion both are immoral.   Correct ?


slavery and abortion are both immoral


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Side note:
If Men had the babies instead of Women...
Abortion would be federally funded, safe and legal...

And the population of the world would be about 300!  


Actually, if men had babies -- we would just treat it as another project to be completed.   And instead of taking bed rest we would have "couch rest" --- and spend 9 months in front of a big screen tv watching sports and the hunting channel.


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