Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

As for taking business from other places -  there really are no sports bars in Rotterdam.   So it would actually keep some town residents IN Rotterdam when they are looking to go to a sports bar  and would attract people from surrounding communities.

How about Play by Play on Hamburg Street?  That's a sports bar that serves food.  

And again, if there was a demand for a sports bar in Rotterdam, BBL would not have needed $125K of taxpayer dollars.  They would have invested their own money because they know it would get a nice return on their investment, since YOU say Rotterdam NEEDS a sports bar.

How much did Play By Play receive in government subsidies?  I'm sure they appreciate the new competition courtesy of their own town and county officials.  Ahhh, it doesn't matter, the shiny new build makes for good campaigning, and it’s worth sacrificing the livelihood of the Play By Play bar owner.

Never been to "Play by Play" -- I don't normally go to "sports bars".

As for competition - having worked for many years in retail sales - i know that the presence of a competitor in the same mall or town .. does NOT have to be bad news .. if you are serving your customers well and running your business well.
If anything, the Recovery Room will bring CONSUMER TRAFFIC to Altamont and Curry Road (and the town) .. and in business more CONSUMER TRAFFIC tends to benefit ALL the businesses.

I would love to see more businesses in Rotterdam .. BOTH locally owned small businesses and the right mix of nationally known businesses.   The proper mix would benefit everyone.   I hate having to drive to Niskayuna or Colonie or Clifton Park  (or even downstate or out of state) to shop at the businesses that I like,  

Consumer Traffic. HAHAHAHAHAHA...More buzz words.  

Of course you've never been to Play By Play, it is in the black hole of Rotterdam - HAMBURG ST.  

Funny, you've never been to Play By Play, yet you know Rotterdam needs a sports bar.  You are a typical bureaucratic central planner.  

Again, if Recovery Room is such a well run business, then they didn't need $125K tax dollars to open a successful competitive business.  What I'm talking about is a level playing field for EVERYBODY.  The Recovery Room isn't playing by the same rules as everybody else.  Their political connections give them a leg up.  And whether you want to admit it or not, it's at the expense of the other businesses that play by the rules.

Quoted from CICERO

Consumer Traffic. HAHAHAHAHAHA...More buzz words.  

Of course you've never been to Play By Play, it is in the black hole of Rotterdam - HAMBURG ST.  

Funny, you've never been to Play By Play, yet you know Rotterdam needs a sports bar.  You are a typical bureaucratic central planner.  

Again, if Recovery Room is such a well run business, then they didn't need $125K tax dollars to open a successful competitive business.  What I'm talking about is a level playing field for EVERYBODY.  The Recovery Room isn't playing by the same rules as everybody else.  Their political connections give them a leg up.  And whether you want to admit it or not, it's at the expense of the other businesses that play by the rules.

consumer traffic is not a buzz word .. you obviously have NO concept of Economics or Business.

BTW .. Cicero .. if you live outside Rotterdam .. near Syracuse .. why do involve yourself with the goings on in Rotterdam?
I have been to theSyracuse area .. it has a number of "sports bars" and other businesses ... do you think that Syracuse attracted those businesses by sticking their heads up their a** and hoping that the taxes would come down by themselves?

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

consumer traffic is not a buzz word .. you obviously have NO concept of Economics or Business.

BTW .. Cicero .. if you live outside Rotterdam .. near Syracuse .. why do involve yourself with the goings on in Rotterdam?
I have been to theSyracuse area .. it has a number of "sports bars" and other businesses ... do you think that Syracuse attracted those businesses by sticking their heads up their a** and hoping that the taxes would come down by themselves?

Are you honestly using Western New York as a model of successful economic development?  That's another HAHAHAHA!  I encourage people to take a look at the property taxes in Western New York.  Let them decide if that's what success looks like.

What are you going to use next, Buffalo as an example of successful economic central planning?

Quoted from CICERO

Are you honestly using Western New York as a model of successful economic development?  That's another HAHAHAHA!  I encourage people to take a look at the property taxes in Western New York.  Let them decide if that's what success looks like.

What are you going to use next, Buffalo as an example of successful economic central planning?

Never said that western NY was a "model of economic success" - it isn't much use having a discussion
an ignorant person who a) doesn't know what he/she is talking about and b) twists everything that is
said

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

I have been to theSyracuse area .. it has a number of "sports bars" and other businesses ... do you think that Syracuse attracted those businesses by sticking their heads up their a** and hoping that the taxes would come down by themselves?

Please, I don't want to twist your words, explain the above statement.  Since the topic we are talking about is Metroplex and RIDA subsidizing businesses, I assumed what you meant by "do you think Syracuse attracting those businesses by sticking their heads up their a**" you were claiming that Syracuse was handing out tax dollars to favored multi-million dollar commercial developers to attract business like Schenectady does.  You know, picking the winners and losers.  Instead of LOWERING commercial tax rates for ALL entrepreneurs and making a level playing field for EVERYBODY to compete.

I apologize if I misunderstood.

OK .. plain English .. the people who moan about high taxes and then shoot down every decent commercial development proposal .. are sticking their heads up their a**  and trying to keep Rotterdam in the dark ages.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Show me some proof that the taxpayers were actually "raped" to support this project.   The IDA funds are separate from the town's general fund.   It gets funds through grants and the sale of bonds .. which it uses to support projects that generate cash to replenish the IDA funds.    The only taxpayer money that may have been involved is the Metroplex tax - part of our sales tax.    If some Metroplex dollars were used to demolish the plaza .. to make it "shovel ready" for the new developer .. than that is a small price to pay for a new project which will generate property tax income and sales tax income ....  and income tax income (paid by the employers and employees) -- all of which benefits the taxpayers overall.

I dont think rape is the right word.....I would call it making some more equal than others in the name of a podium puck for
politicians......the NFL/MLB/NASCAR and the likes get alot of $$ from the sheeple and do well.....meanwhile WE spent how much
for a Yankee stadium??????? I dont F'N get it..........are there no American Pioneers anymore? all we do is fluff pillows and call
it expanding the tax base....FOR WHAT AND FOR WHOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

OK .. plain English .. the people who moan about high taxes and then shoot down every decent commercial development proposal .. are sticking their heads up their a**  and trying to keep Rotterdam in the dark ages.

Please reference: http://rotterdamny.info/m-1283304032/

Buffalo - 32 years of "economic development" = America's #1 most dead city.  You tell me who is in the dark ages?

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economic development is NOT stupidity

Just for the record, Cicero is just outside Syracuse, in Onodaga county and it's CENTRAL NEW YORK!!!!  We're only 2 hours from you...NOT WESTERN NEW YORK !!!!

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

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economic development is NOT stupidity

Really??? Susan Savage and the Metroplex's 'economic development' has been going on for a decade with taxpayer's money. Why don't you go down to the dss building and the unemployment building and ask those folks how Susan Savage and the Metroplex is doing for them!

Then go to all the homeowners and ask them if Susan Savage and the Metoplex are keeping their taxes low....as promised!!!

And yet you support this failure for rotterdam!

Quoted from joebxr

Just for the record, Cicero is just outside Syracuse, in Onodaga county and it's CENTRAL NEW YORK!!!!  We're only 2 hours from you...NOT WESTERN NEW YORK !!!!

I'm not from central OR western NY, FOR THE RECORD.

Marcus Tullius Cicero - research.