Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Dog Park for Rotterdam ???
Rotterdam NY...the people's voice    Rotterdam's Virtual Internet Community    Inside Rotterdam  ›  Dog Park for Rotterdam ??? Moderators: Admin
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 46 Guests

Dog Park for Rotterdam ???  This thread currently has 14,445 views. |
19 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 » Recommend Thread
DemocraticVoiceOfReason
September 23, 2010, 10:29pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
12,321
Reputation
20.83%
Reputation Score
+10 / -38
Time Online
151 days 7 hours 5 minutes
Quoted from TippyCanoe
http://www.agmkt.state.ny.us/AI/Doglic.html
http://www.agmkt.state.ny.us/AI/municipal_doglic_toolkit.html
now we know how the dog park will be funded   !!!!!!!
just a public hearing and a resolution away
rotterdam will take the dog lic fees the state is discontinuing and build a dog park with them
collect from many benefit a few


This post is a lie.   There is absolutely NO plan to use dog licensing fees to fund a dog park.  
The state is getting out of the dog licensing business but is still requiring
every dog in the state to be licensed.   Each municpality will then be responsible for maintaining
all dog license records, sending out renewal notices, ordering the "dog tags", maintaining a dog
control officer, and sending a portion of the fees to the "spay/neuter" program.

The dog park is a completely separate issue that is being considered by the Parks and Recreation
Commission .. and has absolutely NOTHING to do with dog license fees.   period - end of story.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Logged
Private Message Reply: 105 - 270
TippyCanoe
September 24, 2010, 5:56am Report to Moderator

displaced by development
Hero Member
Posts
1,636
Reputation
55.56%
Reputation Score
+5 / -4
Time Online
38 days 16 hours 11 minutes
not a lie

an opinion   - connecting the dots

the timing could not have been better


Talking to each other is better than talking about each other
Logged
Private Message Reply: 106 - 270
DemocraticVoiceOfReason
September 24, 2010, 8:03am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
12,321
Reputation
20.83%
Reputation Score
+10 / -38
Time Online
151 days 7 hours 5 minutes
Quoted from TippyCanoe
not a lie
an opinion   - connecting the dots
the timing could not have been better


Currently  - the price of a dog license varies  whether the owner is a senior citizen or not; whether the
animal is neutered   -    about 55% of the total fees  (all dog owners) stays in the town, 40% goes to
the state, and 5% goes to the spay/neuter program.
The state currently mails out renewal notices and maintains the computer database of all licensed dogs  -
those two costs will be shifted down to the town starting January 1, 2011.  
My calculation based on the research I have been doing is that it will cost the town about $12 per licensed
dog  (based on the current number of licensed dogs in the town)  to  maintain the dog licensing/control
program in the town.     So basically - those $$ we would have been sending to the state will just barely
cover the full cost of the program (of which the town will be fully responsible).  
Bottomline - there will be no surplus income from dog license fees to spend on a dog park


Now - as far as the dog park -- IF the Parks Commission sends a recommendation to the Town Board
to go forward with installing a dog park -- we would do so only if we could find donor/donors willing to
donate the start up costs  AND would probably require a permit to use the dog park - the moneys from the
permits would offset maintenance costs.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Logged
Private Message Reply: 107 - 270
MobileTerminal
September 24, 2010, 8:24am Report to Moderator
Guest User
Cool -maybe Lumpy K's got a relative that needs a job!
Logged
E-mail Reply: 108 - 270
DemocraticVoiceOfReason
September 24, 2010, 8:31am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
12,321
Reputation
20.83%
Reputation Score
+10 / -38
Time Online
151 days 7 hours 5 minutes
Quoted from 147
Cool -maybe Lumpy K's got a relative that needs a job!


the dog park will not require any additional staffing from the Public Works Dept or any other
town department


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Logged
Private Message Reply: 109 - 270
MobileTerminal
September 24, 2010, 8:34am Report to Moderator
Guest User


the dog park will not require any additional staffing from the Public Works Dept or any other
town department


Oh? And how do you propose enforcement of the "stickers/permits" ?  Who cleans up? Who patrols, opens up in the morning, shuts down at night?
Logged
E-mail Reply: 110 - 270
Shadow
September 24, 2010, 8:39am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
11,107
Reputation
70.83%
Reputation Score
+17 / -7
Time Online
448 days 17 minutes
Who's going to repair the vandalism that's done to the facilities.
Logged
Private Message Reply: 111 - 270
DemocraticVoiceOfReason
September 24, 2010, 8:48am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
12,321
Reputation
20.83%
Reputation Score
+10 / -38
Time Online
151 days 7 hours 5 minutes
There already is staffing   ....  No additional staffing would be necessary.





George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Logged
Private Message Reply: 112 - 270
bumblethru
September 24, 2010, 9:45am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
30,841
Reputation
78.26%
Reputation Score
+36 / -10
Time Online
412 days 18 hours 59 minutes
Quoted from TippyCanoe
http://www.agmkt.state.ny.us/AI/Doglic.html

http://www.agmkt.state.ny.us/AI/municipal_doglic_toolkit.html

now we know how the dog park will be funded   !!!!!!!

just a public hearing and a resolution away

rotterdam will take the dog lic fees the state is discontinuing and build a dog park with them

collect from many

benefit a few


This is what politicians/government does.....they will just find other ways to spend the taxpayer's money. That's why they never never go down!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
Logged
Private Message Reply: 113 - 270
marymagdelene1234
September 24, 2010, 10:50am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
1,200
Reputation
58.33%
Reputation Score
+7 / -5
Time Online
3 days 8 hours 33 minutes
Quoted from 147


Oh? And how do you propose enforcement of the "stickers/permits" ?  Who cleans up? Who patrols, opens up in the morning, shuts down at night?


The same way they enforce the racetrack on Westside.
Logged
Private Message Reply: 114 - 270
marymagdelene1234
September 24, 2010, 10:52am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
1,200
Reputation
58.33%
Reputation Score
+7 / -5
Time Online
3 days 8 hours 33 minutes
There already is staffing   ....  No additional staffing would be necessary.


I guess you are volunteering to clean up the dog shi+!  Good for you Ron, I would
rather have you do that rather than be in the town clerks office anyway!  You
are much more qualified for the dog park.  

Logged
Private Message Reply: 115 - 270
MobileTerminal
September 24, 2010, 12:57pm Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from marymagdelene1234


I guess you are volunteering to clean up the dog shi+!  Good for you Ron, I would
rather have you do that rather than be in the town clerks office anyway!  You
are much more qualified for the dog park.  



Just like Lumpy
Logged
E-mail Reply: 116 - 270
DemocraticVoiceOfReason
September 24, 2010, 2:30pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
12,321
Reputation
20.83%
Reputation Score
+10 / -38
Time Online
151 days 7 hours 5 minutes
Quoted from bumblethru


This is what politicians/government does.....they will just find other ways to spend the taxpayer's money. That's why they never never go down!!


Since the initial post claiming that dog license fees were going to be used for the dog park is a bald
faced lie --- it is ridiculous for you folks to keep insisting it is going to happen.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Logged
Private Message Reply: 117 - 270
DemocraticVoiceOfReason
September 24, 2010, 2:33pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
12,321
Reputation
20.83%
Reputation Score
+10 / -38
Time Online
151 days 7 hours 5 minutes
Existing DPW staff would open and close the gates -- although it may very well be that those dog owners
who paid the permit fee to use the facility may get a special key for the padlock.
The dog park would have a separate entrance from the rest of the park in which it may be located.
Dog owners who use the facility would be required to pick up "deposits" and a receptacle would be
available to place those "deposits".


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Logged
Private Message Reply: 118 - 270
Kevin March
September 24, 2010, 2:37pm Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
3,071
Reputation
83.33%
Reputation Score
+10 / -2
Time Online
88 days 15 hours 44 minutes
Existing DPW staff would open and close the gates -- although it may very well be that those dog owners
who paid the permit fee to use the facility may get a special key for the padlock.
The dog park would have a separate entrance from the rest of the park in which it may be located.
Dog owners who use the facility would be required to pick up "deposits" and a receptacle would be
available to place those "deposits".


And who would pick up the slack when someone doesn't pick up their dog's "deposits?"  And what happens when one of those who have paid the fee uses their key to unlock the special gate, then they absent-mindedly leave it unlocked and something happens?  If there's hours, then those hours need to go for all, not just those who didn't pay the special fee.  Or are some animal owners "more equal than others," to take a quote from Animal Farm?


Logged Offline
Site Private Message YIM Reply: 119 - 270
19 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 » Recommend Thread
|


Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread