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...or receive campaign contributions from oil companies.


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Guess Joe Barton's Largest Corporate Donor?


    Anadarko Petroleum has given nearly $150,000 to Rep. Joe Barton's - $56,500 in PAC donations and another $90,000 in individual contributions.

    Anadarko is also BP's partner on the site where the oil leak occurred, and according to Dow Jones, has already been invoiced by BP for its share of the clean up costs.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Not long after the Exxon Valdez spill of 1989, Congress passed the Oil Pollution Act of 1990, which imposed a fee on oil companies—currently  8 cents a barrel—to be paid into the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund. The federal government uses the fund to cover losses from oil accidents—such as  the destruction of wildlife and fisheries—up to $1 billion per incident. It looks very likely that this particular incident will far exceed that limit; current estimates are as high as $8 billion. But the 1990 law also capped the liability of companies at just $75 million for all costs claimed by parties injured in an accident, including individuals, businesses and government agencies.
This means that it could be very hard for the government to force BP to pay for all the expenses stemming from the spill. A trio of anti-drilling senators on Monday introduced the "Big Oil Bailout Prevention Act," a measure that would raise the liability limit on spills to $10 billion per incident.  Who was in power when this law was passed Box?
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Congress passed the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 was signed into law in August 1990.

George H W Bush was President, The Democrats held a majority in the House & Senate.

At the time the bill was passed, it improved the Govt's ability to respond and clean up oil spills and funded up to $1Billion dollars for cleanup and prevention.
In addition, the OPA provided new requirements for contingency planning both by government and industry.  
In the aftermath of the Exxon Valdez incident, Congress passed the Oil Pollution Act of 1990, which required the Coast Guard to strengthen its regulations on oil tank vessels and oil tank owners and operators. Today, tank hulls provide better protection against spills resulting from a similar accident, and communications between vessel captains and vessel traffic centers have improved to make for safer sailing.


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The Dems controlled Congress so they wrote the Bill, so why is Bush responsible for the result when the Dems passed it?
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The Dems controlled Congress so they wrote the Bill, so why is Bush responsible for the result when the Dems passed it?


They're using the same logic now - Republicans (who do not hold a majority) are "blocking" things in congress.  Nobody has, as of yet, figured the mind of a democrat. It's like they're radioactive.
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"They're using the same logic now"  LOL, as if Republicans on this board use logic!!!

Some here this board has a real problem with logic, communication and comprehension.
Lets see if they can follow: (I'll type sloooooly)

~Q by Shadow: "Who was in power when this law was passed Box?"

~A by Box: "George H W Bush was President, The Democrats held a majority in the House & Senate". (I think that answered the question well don't you?

~Response by Shadow: "The Dems controlled Congress so they wrote the Bill, so why is Bush responsible for the result when the Dems passed it? ( And who said Bush was responsible??? Anyone??? Bueller??? Anyone?

~Response by  MT:   "They're using the same logic now - Republicans (who do not hold a majority) are "blocking" things in congress.  Nobody has, as of yet, figured the mind of a democrat." (A total disconnect possibly caused by an over exposure to Fox Propaganda.)

A question is asked... a response is posted... an assumption is made... another responder runs with the false assumption... And Conservatives are off and running in a wrong direction.
Try to keep up guys!

IMO, the legislation was passed to deal with the Exxon Valdez issue, but then forgotten.  Setting any dollar value on a spill would have to take into account inflation, additional risk and future issues to stay relevant.  This legislation was outmoded soon after it was passed.


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Box on half your posts you blame Bush for everything, economic meltdown, housing crisis, oil spill, the countries debt, a hurricane, and a couple of tornado's too.
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Box on half your posts you blame Bush for everything, economic meltdown, housing crisis, oil spill, the countries debt, a hurricane, and a couple of tornado's too.


Only half??  Box - you're not doing your job, better keep trying.
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I've posted on several message boards, and all have their own personalities...
This board seems to do a bait & switch... ask a dozen questions or post a dozen issues, then ignore the unfavorable, and attack the unanswered.
I wonder how you ever arrive at any conclusion.  

What do you conservatives do when no  Liberal shows up???  
Obama is a jerk...
Yup, he's a jerk...
Hillary is a jerk too...
Yea... a real jerk...
Ummm... Biden's a jerk!

Lots of fun, but not very educational... or is that the point?


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I BLAME BUSH FOR:

~The Bush Economic Meltdown.
GWB took over the economy with a surplus, turned that into a deficit.  Clinton had 8 years of job growth, economic prosperity, several years of balanced budgets.
~The Tax Cut for the Rich... and putting the bill on the middle class.
~The Oil War In Iraq... Is totally Bush/Cheney.  The original rough draft plans for the invasion of Iraq were discussed in 1999, before GWB even won the election.  The war was unnecessary, cost $700 Billion and took the life and valor of 4407 Brave Americans.  That loss of life is unforgivable.
~The Lies leading the USA into the Iraq war.  (Even I believed the WMD lies at first.  I thought even the president couldn't tell a lie that big.  I was wrong.)
~I blame GWB for abandoning the terrorists in Afghanistan, that hit us on Sept 11.
(Bush on BinLaden -
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
Then the Iraq war superseded BinLaden.
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
~The Valerie Plame outing(Bush/Cheney)
~The response to hurricane Katrina.
~The Bush (failed) plan to privatize Social Security.

I do not blame Bush for:
~The Sept 11th attacks.  He is ultimately responsible because he was president, but any president at that time was as vulnerable to that attack.  The USA just wasn't looking.
~The BP disaster.
~I Give GWB credit for what might have been a real immigration plan.  Bush had a real plan to end the years of neglect on this issue but was understandable sidetracked by Sept 11.  Immigration could have been the Bush Legacy... instead his legacy is the Worst President in US history.
~I credit Bush for Finally recognizing the economic disaster, but his bail out was, like Obama's, too little too late.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Regardless of who was in power when the law was written, it clearly doesn't apply to the situation we are in now.  The cap of 75 million needs to be raised NOW.  Yes the dems have a majority but the reps have just enough to make sure nothing is ever voted on with filibustering.  This Congress has seen more filibustering from the republicans then has ever happened before in congress.  If you won't work with the majority, leave congress please and send someone who will.  

And that's a great idea Cicero. we should just blow it up and hope for it to stop.  Do all your great ideas come from Tom and Jerry cartoons?
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Bush was responsible for the TARP bill which many of us opposed. The surpluses that Clinton left Bush were on paper only and were projected in the future but that was b4 the Clinton policies caused the recession that GWB inherited. The tax cuts stimulated the economy caused companies to hire more workers and put nothing on the middle class. Bush, Clinton and many other countries all believed that Iraq had Wmd's so that was just real bad intel. Per the separation between the Federal Govt and the state govt the state government must request help from the Federal govt b4 help is sent so blame the state govt for the delay. Bush still responded to Katrina a whole lot faster than Obamanation did.  Yes Bush had a few screw ups on his war plan and things didn't go as planned so he has to accept that.
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There isn't much to do for the government here.  BP has the safety technology, which we are finding is very old and not working.  I don't think you can compare this to Katrina
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" Yes Bush had a few screw ups on his war plan and things didn't go as planned "

OMG!!!  And...
General George Armstrong Custer had a few screw ups on his war plan and things didn't go as planned!

Nothing went as planned... the invasion was planned by the military... after the invasion... THERE WAS NO PLAN!

We would be welcomed as 'liberators"... NOT!
Iraqi oil would pay for the war and rebuilding of Iraq... NOT!
The insurgency is in its last throes... NOT!

Bush/Cheney wanted to grab Iraqi oil with a minimum of cost, and hold Iraq with a minimum of troops.  Other than finally killing Saddam... nothing was a success.



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