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ROTTERDAM TOWN BOARD
JUNE 9, 2010
AGENDA
7:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
SUPERVISOR’S REPORT
-Presentation of awards to paramedics for outstanding performance during the past year
-Proposed Housing Facility for Veterans
-Town Attorney to speak on June 29th 2010 proposed Ambulance District Vote
PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR FOR PERSONNEL AGENDA ITEMS
PERSONNEL:
Res. No.
174.10 Appoint individuals to seasonal part-time positions at the Parks and Recreation
Department retroactive to Wednesday, May 26, 2010 through August 31, 2010.
175.10 Amend Resolution 56.10 to show the proper title for Project Coordinator Office for the
Aging.
176.10 Amend Resolution 164.10 to show proper name and appoint seasonal part-time
positions at the indicated hourly rates of pay, on an as-needed basis, effective May 26,
2010 through August 31, 2010.
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
A. For a Change of Zone request on approximately 2.735 acres from Single Family
Residential (R-1) and Two Family Residential (R-2) to Multi-Family
Residential (R-3), on Tax Map Number 58.8-9-17.11 & 58.8-9-4.1 located at
1066 Curry Road and 1113 Floral Avenue, Rotterdam, New York, 12306. The
applicant proposes to construct a four (4) unit apartment building and bring a 42-
unit apartment building into current zoning codes.
Public Hearing is continued from May 12, 2010
B. Town of Rotterdam’s participation in a proposed Schenectady County Unified
Communications Center for dispatch of law enforcement, protection services, and
emergency medical services.
PRIVILEGE OF FLOOR FOR AGENDA ITEMS
Res. No
177.10 Call for public hearing to be held on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 at 7:00 p.m. at the John
F. Kirvin Government Center, Town Hall, 1100 Sunrise Boulevard, Rotterdam, New
York 12306 for the following purpose:
To amend Chapter 270 of the Code of the Town of Rotterdam entitled
ZONING for a Change of Zone application proposed by Timothy Larned
and Maria Esposito on approximately 71.8 acres from Heavy Industrial
(I-2) and General Business (B-2) to Planned Residential Development
(PRD) and General Business (B-2). The applicants propose the
construction of 248 multi-family garden apartments, approximately
20,000 square feet of commercial space, relocation of existing baseball
fields, and the creation of a permanent recreation/conservation area.
This matter is hereby referred to the Town Planning Commission for a recommendation
to be made prior to the July 14, 2010 Public Hearing.
This matter is hereby referred to the Schenectady County Department of Planning and
Economic Development pursuant to NYS General Municipal Law Section 239-m.
178.10 Declare the Town of Rotterdam as “lead agency” and authorize the Town Planner to
prepare, file, publish and distribute all documents necessary to comply with 6 NYCRR
Part 617 & State Environmental Quality Review relative to the above stated application
of Timothy Larned and Maria Esposito.
179.10 Refer to the Planning Commission for report and recommendation thereon a proposed
Local Law of the Year 2010 for the following purpose:
To amend Chapter 188 of the Code of the Town of Rotterdam entitled NOISE to
include an updated and enumerated set of prohibited nuisance acts, permitted
acts, including a maximum decibel level and increased penalties.
180.10 Adopt Local Law No. Six (6) of the Year 2010 for the following purpose:
To amend Chapter 270 of the Code of the Town of Rotterdam entitled
ZONING for a Change of Zone request on approximately 2.735 acres
from Single Family Residential (R-1) and Two Family Residential (R-2)
to Multi-Family Residential (R-3), on Tax Map Number 58.8-9-17.11 &
58.8-9-4.1 located at 1066 Curry Road and 1113 Floral Avenue,
Rotterdam, New York, 12306. The applicant proposes to construct a four
(4) unit apartment building and bring a 42-unit apartment building into
current zoning codes.
181.10 Adopt a resolution whereby the Town of Rotterdam elects not to require personal
registration of voters prior to the June 29, 2010 vote on proposed Ambulance District
No. 1.
182.10 Amend Resolution 157.10 to show that absentee ballots shall not be available for the
June 29, 2010 vote on proposed Ambulance District No. 1.
183.10 Authorize Change Order No. 1 in the amount of $18,965.00 for the Altamont Avenue
Water Main Replacement project in the Town of Rotterdam.
184.10 Authorize Change Order No. 1 in the amount of $74.39 for the Rotterdam Junction
Water Storage Tank Improvements project in the Town of Rotterdam.
185.10 Authorize the Town Comptroller to deposit check No. 9408 from the Town of
Duanesburg in the amount of $2,500.00 into the dispatcher overtime account.
186.10 Establish water rents and contract assessments for the year 2010 for the water districts
of the Town of Rotterdam.
187.10 Authorize the Supervisor to execute a sewer connection agreement with Sean Golden of
3360 Guilderland Avenue, Rotterdam, New York.
188.10 Authorize the use of $32,000.00 from the Landfill Post-Closure Reserve to pay
consultant costs for well monitoring at the landfill
CONSENT ITEMS:
Res. No
189.10 Authorize the transfer of first quarter gas expenditures for various Town departments.
190.10 Authorize Comptroller to declare certain office equipment obsolete.
191.10 Accept Town Clerk’s Report for the month of May 2010.
192.10 Budget transfers by the Town Comptroller to various accounts.
DISCUSSION ITEMS
COMMITTEE REPORTS
PUBLIC COMMENT PRIVILEGE OF FLOOR
(Per Resolution No. 444.06) G
General Rules of Procedure for Public Hearings & Privilege of the Floor:
Each speaker will state his/her name and address for the record. To ensure each attendee has an
equal and reasonable opportunity to address their concerns, he/she is afforded a maximum of four
(4) minutes to address the Town Board.
MISCELLANEOUS
ADJOURNMENT
FRANCIS DEL GALLO, Supervisor
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Quoted Text
187.10 Authorize the Supervisor to execute a sewer connection agreement with Sean Golden of
3360 Guilderland Avenue, Rotterdam, New York.


Any relation to Michelle?


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Sorry everybody, but I left the meeting tonight at 10:30. I left when the town board had a recess. The meeting was about half way over. 5 am comes quickly for me and the way the meeting was going, I didn't think we would get out until midnight. I'll have to read the results in the morning paper or read what others have to say here.

When I left they hadn't voted on the Central dispatch, Larned's proposed apartments, Delorenzo's zoning change or the REMS issue yet. Hopefully we'll get some input from those that stayed.
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June 7, 2010, 8:58pm

FULL HOUSE TONITE!!!!!

The police chief is here

Kelly is speaking with Joanne

Meeting called to order 7pm by the wooden clock

And no sound

Now we have sound

Left to right
Matt
Vicki – in pain due to post op
The attorney
Frank
Bob
Mike G is the acting clerk for the board
Gerard

ROTTERDAM TOWN BOARD
JUNE 9, 2010
AGENDA
7:00 p.m.
ROLL CALL
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
SUPERVISOR’S REPORT


-Presentation of awards to paramedics for outstanding performance during the past year

Officer Keith Collins paramedic
Receives award.
Speaks
30 years of paramedics
April 1980

Ems agency of the year for 2009

Keith’s speaks on
John Mazur's case
Therapeutic hypothermia (first patient at Ellis for this)

Keith speaks on
Kevin Wormoth's case
A code cool patient

The patients paramedics are invited to meet those they serves

Rotterdam ems received mention in both cases

Thank you’s everywhere
Multiple photos

Keith speaks about mom in labor
Paramedic Mark delivered a baby on 890

Mr. Godlewski thanks Keith for his service

Keith speaks of paramedic Sean receiving the schdy co paramedic of the year award

Keith speaks on the loss of paramedics
Paramedic Dave D left to work
At Ellis and the county has given him the RN of excellence

Paramedic Kevin Jones went on to get his MD and is the medical director

Some other notes mentioned for reversal of cardiac arrests


-Proposed Housing Facility for Veterans
150 appts for disabled vets - the first of its kind in the "world"


-Town Attorney to speak on June 29th 2010 proposed Ambulance District Vote

Only listed property owners can vote

A deed may be necessary proof of ownership

One vote per person no matter how may properties owned

Corp or llc -gets one vote a resolution showing agents status

You must be an agent as of 5/1/2010


PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR FOR PERSONNEL AGENDA ITEMS

No speakers

PERSONNEL:
Res. No.

174.10 Appoint individuals to seasonal part-time positions at the Parks and Recreation
Department retroactive to Wednesday, May 26, 2010 through August 31, 2010.
(He said Radioactive)
Passes

175.10 Amend Resolution 56.10 to show the proper title for Project Coordinator Office for the
Aging.
Passes

176.10 Amend Resolution 164.10 to show proper name and appoint seasonal part-time
positions at the indicated hourly rates of pay, on an as-needed basis, effective May 26,
2010 through August 31, 2010.
Passes

PUBLIC HEARINGS:

A. For a Change of Zone request on approximately 2.735 acres from Single Family
Residential (R-1) and Two Family Residential (R-2) to Multi-Family
Residential (R-3), on Tax Map Number 58.8-9-17.11 & 58.8-9-4.1 located at
1066 Curry Road and 1113 Floral Avenue, Rotterdam, New York, 12306. The
applicant proposes to construct a four (4) unit apartment building and bring a 42-
unit apartment building into current zoning codes.
Public Hearing is continued from May 12, 2010

FDG 0-He said (12treeOh6)
Mark Blackstone
For Mr. deloranzo
Revisions made
Was a 6 Now a 4 unit
Sq footage now smaller to
Nearest properties
68ft
108ft
838ft
No access from floral ave

Mr Parisi ask FGD if he can ask q's 2x

Parisi - can a building be built if no change in zoning -
Blackstone-
Without a change in zone a 90degree rotated building could be built

A police sergeant has arrived at 7:35pm full combat load

The change of zoning is a better for the neighbors

Niki - where would the new building be in relation to the existing 9

80 ft from existing 9unit building

Fdg- this dwg shows 5 unit
Blackstone It will be a 4 unit
It will look exactly like it

Niki why can't we get an exact plan

BGodlewski- what is in the spot
It is a garage and a shed

BGodlewski- what are the dims
Speaking on the supplied docs-they are supplied conceptual dwgs

Blackstone- we made multiple changes to reduce impact

Fdg - peter please explain the plan

B Godlewski - there is a shed too

We have tripod failure

Peter - on memo
I spoke to the building inspector
The building could not use the 30 ft
Rule

Mike godlewski had not yet to talked to all board members

Peter
A building could be built with out a zone change
Setbacks need to be 20,25,20 R-3

The yellow building could be built pending approvals


Mary Donohue - do not build the building privacy and loss of value

Henry
who is the developer
Only the owner knows...
gino patuchi will be the GC

Septic or sewer- sewer

Mr. Malizinski - on the sewers and need
the locals are impassioned and the town should weigh economic vs environmental please put restrictions on building size and moratorium on future building

Gabriels - we are blind sided by the owner again we are worse off if he can build without the zone change

How can you vote on a change of zone without studying the new info

Who has the floor
Fdg - who is speaking - can't hear him anyway

You have no choice a building can be built

The crowd

What we are trying to determine
Do you want it closer or farther

Mike godlewski - to gerards point you can't just build a building
You need to go before the planning commission
Also the builder could get a waver and build

Mr gabiel
So our zoning laws don't protect anyone
So much for by the people for the people

Fdg- I wouldn't live in your house
I would live in the congestion

I live in the country I wouldn't know no better


John massironi representing the delorenzo’s has a 90 person petition
We the tenants ask the town board to approve the zone change
We have first hand knowledge of how well the delorenzo's take care of their property no rodents or no garbage issues and no water issues all lighting will face the new properties
Way to fast to type

"If you want to see the future look at the history"

250,000 paid in taxes
Pride of ownership

Better for taxes by 2x

Better to know the devil you know than the one you don't!!!

Lots of groaning in the audience

A vote against the zoning is a vote against the neighbors

Lynn dinan - my house looks at the wooded area this change lowers property values

I voted for a change in govt not a change in living

Mr- blackstone- about mr godlewskis comment we will require a review by the planning commission


This public hearing is closed

B. Town of Rotterdam’s participation in a proposed Schenectady County Unified
Communications Center for dispatch of law enforcement, protection services, and
emergency medical services.

Niki - may I speak before we begin
What is this public hearing is not what we discussed
Someone please answer

Mike g - this is on central dispatch


Confusion about a resolution for public dispatch

Niki- I sent an email and only one reply

We can propose a resolution to vote on public dispatch

Bill vanhoesen- supports central dispatch
Hats off to the paramedics

FDG-Anyone want water.....besides niki

Dist 6 sent a letter of recommendation to town and we have yet to receive a response

Ron severson- I support the town board backing centralized dispatch

Hamburg business – supports centralized dispatch

Mike france- I support the town board backing centralized dispatch

MS Gage-rotterdam dispatch we have 160yr of experience in dispatch - to many questions are unanswered about costs
We wear many hats -we are hands on with the rotterdam residents

Don't fix what's not broken

Joe vanderwerker dist 3 I support central dispatch

Michele weaver- does this encompass the whole of schenectady

911 in schdy county is a mess!!!!
As demonstrated by Ms Gage
-In my opinion this is not rotterdams

Mr Wood- we got a million grant
Suppot the central dispatch

Jon dibios- chief of ploterkill
Our concern is crossing town lines
And radios

Rich Dunsmore-we should have efficient communication across the county
It sounds as if the fd are well informed
How come the rotterdam police and others have not been involved in the plan???
It is my understanding that radios will not change

I am not against the program I am for working together involving all services

This town board needs to have all information before you decide

Show me the cost before the savings

I am not against the program I want to work together

9:00pm

Paul shevleur- greg rd
Decisions must be based on all the facts
The board does not have the facts
Will it improve public safety
What's up with the city of utica
Who will pay for new equipment???
The proposed plan is understated
Please table this matter
I approve of the concept

Mike godlewski - please move your comments along

Tommy brogam- lower rotterdam jct
I'll stay to midnight how about you?
First is safety if the emergency personnel
We would not be here if the phone was answer promptly and correctly
There is silence in the room while he speaks

In my 75 years that most considerations cost more

Do you understand the word "NO"

Tippy comment- this is the perfect person at 9:07pm nice and drawn out a true southern speaker just like in movies of the 50's there is waver in his voice

9:10 pm The first popcorn bag has been opened

Mike Godlewski trying not to laugh on the comment of political suicide

A town dispatcher- the staff requested a meeting with county officials it was refreshing to here a positive note
Speaker breaks down
Do it for the right reasons and do it right
Is this about Rotterdam, schdy county or the city of schenectady
Think outside the box
The firemen have valid points
I not against it
Don't lie to me

Tony gergenski - county leg
You can see there are competing views
In the 90's it was the county telling the towns what to do

Is there a way to deal with the weakness

Can we improve public safety

Can we save money

The county hired a consultant

All the stake holders in rotterdam were interviews

Sch’dy is showing a maintained of effort

First year savings 300K
And more saving each year

Who controls it-policy oversight committee

Technical oversight committee

Who is on board - niskycuna,


We are looking for a 20 year agreement on the method of payment thus it is reviewed every 3 years

A 20year bond


Gerard - outreach to police
No one asked tony to speak with the RPD

9:50 small recess

Public hearing is now closed

Gerard - add a motion for central dispatch as presentation
176.10b

716.10a - postpone the ambulance vote till late November

716.10c - hiring of engineer for the delorenzo property if zoning fails whether a building can be built

Argument of value of engineer

Mike G tells bob G to let the vote decide



PRIVILEGE OF FLOOR FOR AGENDA ITEMS

Frank salamone- approves niki's request on the amb dist1
Believes all residents shall vote to enter a general welfare subjects
Ems effects the health and welfare
Of everyone
Put it on the regular ballot

Tracy donovan - approves nikis postponement
And agrees with frank salamone

Mr malizinski - 179.10 even thought the size of the project meets the requirements there are environment issues

Mary gaberiel- agrees with Mr malizinski on the env

Mrs malizinski- recommend the board issues a informational news letter on the amb dist 1

Tony G - does a yes vote mean that a tax dist is created for REMS or is it any provider
Also a date certain

Niki- the vote 29 is rem and absentee ballots
Then it is only land holders and it is for a tax dist
I tried for primary day
It is my crusade that all will know what the vote is about and it will not be hidden

Kelly R -YEAH

Tony G - to fdg please do not disguise the vote

Fdg-How long would it take to educate them

Ron severson - agrees with frank salamone
The wording needs to be in the simplest form

John - 98per cent want the wording of the vote to say REMS
The seniors in this town want rems to remain - that document was last night only

John vanderwerker - the rotterdam seniors have a document with 70+ signatures
We are not a business driven operation

john dibas - board member for rems
If the vote is not for rems then that will be the end of rems

10:30pm

Kelly Rhinesmith- this vote is an attempt to sneak it in the back door
This should be privatized
Mohawk-
The building would be taxed
The service would be charged by those who need it
If you are going to bid why vote
I don't minimize what they do the ems staff
I just don't understand the bailout
Just do it - on nov 4
Let everybody vote

Mike G - ok kel

Bill- I'm sorry folks it is a long nite but I can let that crap go by
The discussion is between municipal service or a paid for profit

Bob G -I would like a motion to table the central dispatch motion - no second

Rest a-postpone the amb dist 1

Gerard -We have been having discussion for 4 hours

Bob G - I am amazed by the board members on this vote - every one has dump - this is all the last boards fault - this board was challenged by all the stumbling block there was a 60days notice issue
We wanted to take the politics out of the issue
Weather you were here or not you has the info

Niki- I had a major operation -the we descried -is really mr Bob Godlewski deiced
I never I heard the about the April vote

I am sorry apologies I didn't read ad I was recovering from surgery

Argument niki and bob argument over the April date

Niki is not apologizing to bob godlewski

Matt- what does it matter who chose the date let's move on

Move the vote to november
GP - yes
BG - no
Niki-yes
Martin-yes
Fdg- no

Motion to enter to central d
GP-Y
BG-no
no one is against ctr dispatch I want fiscal dispatch maintence of effort sucks - this is a 20 year agreement - every town needs to agree on a 3year review - let me decide what is best for my town
Also board agreements are limited to 5 years
ND-Y
MM-Y
Fdg-Y

Zoning issue hire an engineer to advise the town board
GP-y
BG-n
ND-y
MM-y
FDG-n
Mike godlewski used to work for mr delorenzo

Res. No 177.10 Call for public hearing to be held on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 at 7:00 p.m. at the John
F. Kirvin Government Center, Town Hall, 1100 Sunrise Boulevard, Rotterdam, New
York 12306 for the following purpose:
To amend Chapter 270 of the Code of the Town of Rotterdam entitled
ZONING for a Change of Zone application proposed by Timothy Larned
and Maria Esposito on approximately 71.8 acres from Heavy Industrial
(I-2) and General Business (B-2) to Planned Residential Development
(PRD) and General Business (B-2). The applicants propose the
construction of 248 multi-family garden apartments, approximately
20,000 square feet of commercial space, relocation of existing baseball
fields, and the creation of a permanent recreation/conservation area.
This matter is hereby referred to the Town Planning Commission for a recommendation
to be made prior to the July 14, 2010 Public Hearing.
This matter is hereby referred to the Schenectady County Department of Planning and
Economic Development pursuant to NYS General Municipal Law Section 239-m.
GP-y
BG-y
ND-y
MM-y
FDG-y




Motion to table 179
GP-y
BG-n
ND-y
MM-y
FDG-n

Table motion 180
GP-y
BG-n
ND-y
MM-y
FDG-n




178.10 Declare the Town of Rotterdam as “lead agency” and authorize the Town Planner to
prepare, file, publish and distribute all documents necessary to comply with 6 NYCRR
Part 617 & State Environmental Quality Review relative to the above stated application
of Timothy Larned and Maria Esposito.
All yes





179.10 Adopt Local Law No. Six (6) of the Year 2010 for the following purpose:
To amend Chapter 270 of the Code of the Town of Rotterdam entitled
ZONING for a Change of Zone request on approximately 2.735 acres
from Single Family Residential (R-1) and Two Family Residential (R-2)
to Multi-Family Residential (R-3), on Tax Map Number 58.8-9-17.11 &
58.8-9-4.1 located at 1066 Curry Road and 1113 Floral Avenue,
Rotterdam, New York, 12306. The applicant proposes to construct a four
(4) unit apartment building and bring a 42-unit apartment building into
current zoning codes.

180.10 Adopt a resolution whereby the Town of Rotterdam elects not to require personal
registration of voters prior to the June 29, 2010 vote on proposed Ambulance District
No. 1.
Motion to table-pass

Motion to table 181 and 182
motion passes

181.10 Amend Resolution 157.10 to show that absentee ballots shall not be available for the
June 29, 2010 vote on proposed Ambulance District No. 1.
Motion-tabled

183.10 Authorize Change Order No. 1 in the amount of $18,965.00 for the Altamont Avenue
Water Main Replacement project in the Town of Rotterdam.
Motion-passed

184.10 Authorize Change Order No. 1 in the amount of $74.39 for the Rotterdam Junction
Water Storage Tank Improvements project in the Town of Rotterdam.
Motion-passes

185.10 Authorize the Town Comptroller to deposit check No. 9408 from the Town of
Duanesburg in the amount of $2,500.00 into the dispatcher overtime account.
Motion-pass

186.10 Establish water rents and contract assessments for the year 2010 for the water districts
of the Town of Rotterdam.
Motion-passes

187.10 Authorize the Supervisor to execute a sewer connection agreement with Sean Golden of
3360 Guilderland Avenue, Rotterdam, New York.
Motion-passes

188.10 Authorize the use of $32,000.00 from the Landfill Post-Closure Reserve to pay
consultant costs for well monitoring at the landfill
FDG-What's the freakin thing say I can see

Motion-passes

CONSENT ITEMS:
Res. No
189.10 Authorize the transfer of first quarter gas expenditures for various Town departments.
190.10 Authorize Comptroller to declare certain office equipment obsolete.
191.10 Accept Town Clerk’s Report for the month of May 2010.
192.10 Budget transfers by the Town Comptroller to various accounts.
DISCUSSION ITEMS
COMMITTEE REPORTS

Matts senior moment
something about a farmers market
he spoke way to fast
but there is stuff at the senior ctr this month

PUBLIC COMMENT PRIVILEGE OF FLOOR

Ron severenson- can the we make some money by renting cots!!! At the town boardmeetings

Sean Ahearn - last meeting with us  Sean good luck we will miss you


Other notes

Flag day parade Monday June 14, 2010
Assemble at 5:30 at Mohonasen HS
Step off at 6:30

Parks and Recreation
Public input on "Vision 2020"
Wednesday July 14, 2010 5:30pm
At Town Hall
Wednesday August 11, 2010 5:30pm
At Town Hall
Learn about the draft town parks plan
Ask questions and share your Ideas as we plan for our future
All input will be used in shaping the final proposal


Talking to each other is better than talking about each other
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quoted from peeper from another board........
Quoted from 487

Surprise appt was a disaster. Steve knows it.  Without Surprise there is no FDG and all that campaign money, no ND, MM and quite conceivable no EE.

Been around too long Trust me The GOP misread the damage that a Craig Surprise appt would do at the polls.  The same misread the Dems made with Mallaley and Liccardi. Agreed?


Tell me something peeps.......can you HONESTLY say that if surprise, mallaley and liccardi were gone, this present town board would be more....more....more.....I don't even know the words......better? Paleeezzzee! If they were gone do you think that fdg wouldn't have said to the resident....'I wouldn't live where you live'? What an insult!!!! Do you think if they were gone that they would know how and when to vote and pass a resolution? Can you HONESTLY say that the incompetence of this town board is due to the last administration? Pallleeezzzee!

I was standing in the back and the people back there were in disbelief on the incompetence shown by this present town board. Theyall said...'glad I didn't support or vote for them'!!!

You place blame on the past administration AND on surprise, mallaley and liccardi. It is misplaced blame. If they were gone rotterdam would still have this embarrassing merry band of idiots!!! Should surprise, mallaley and liccardi, be gone? Perhaps. But that is clearly not the problem with this bunch. And clearly not the problem of the last administration. It is truly a circus act!! IMHO


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Bob G - I am amazed by the board members on this vote - every one has dump - this is all the last boards fault - this board was challenged by all the stumbling block there was a 60days notice issue


Ah, more continuing of the "blame game" - I swear, that's gonna be a tv game show soon. Everyone seems to be doing it, at every level, in every party.
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quoted from peeper from another board........


Tell me something peeps.......can you HONESTLY say that if surprise, mallaley and liccardi were gone, this present town board would be more....more....more.....I don't even know the words......better? Paleeezzzee! If they were gone do you think that fdg wouldn't have said to the resident....'I wouldn't live where you live'? What an insult!!!! Do you think if they were gone that they would know how and when to vote and pass a resolution? Can you HONESTLY say that the incompetence of this town board is due to the last administration? Pallleeezzzee!

I was standing in the back and the people back there were in disbelief on the incompetence shown by this present town board. Theyall said...'glad I didn't support or vote for them'!!!

You place blame on the past administration AND on surprise, mallaley and liccardi. It is misplaced blame. If they were gone rotterdam would still have this embarrassing merry band of idiots!!! Should surprise, mallaley and liccardi, be gone? Perhaps. But that is clearly not the problem with this bunch. And clearly not the problem of the last administration. It is truly a circus act!! IMHO


In my opinion, and you know I am not held in very high regard on this board Bumble, had Steve and the board decided NOT to hire Craig Surprise then we would not be watching a circus act!  There would be no Mallaley and Liccardi.  There would be no FDG, MM, ND.  There would be no GP as a councilman, MDV would still be here, there would be no ANG changing parties, there would be no Dep Super BG.  I really believe there would be no EE.  Craig Surprise created FDG and all the moolah needed to knock out the GOP.  If you can't see that then you are as dumb as I am!

Furthermore, had Surprise not screwed with FDG assessment and others the GOP survives.  The die was cast when Steve and the crew hired Surprise and dictated the advancement of their post reval agenda.  Didn't work and they know it.  The GOP should be happy they are keeping Steve T's appts around.  They sabatoged him and they will sabatoge FDG crew.  And its true I am an outcast.  But is that so bad all things considered????
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boomer
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No Peeps say it isn't so...I hold you in high regard.  Did they get rid fo Surprise yet?  Time to go--he has way over-stayed his welcome.  BTW I think your assessment is almost on target.  Steve NEEDED to go as did that whole board.  This board is not as offensive as the other flag pin wearing clones/clowns.
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So, why didn't they clean house when they had their chances?  Satisfied with the status quo?
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County influence.  Our town is being run from the sixth floor at the county office bldg.  Sad but true.
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In my opinion, and you know I am not held in very high regard on this board Bumble, had Steve and the board decided NOT to hire Craig Surprise then we would not be watching a circus act!  There would be no Mallaley and Liccardi.  There would be no FDG, MM, ND.  There would be no GP as a councilman, MDV would still be here, there would be no ANG changing parties, there would be no Dep Super BG.  I really believe there would be no EE.  Craig Surprise created FDG and all the moolah needed to knock out the GOP.  If you can't see that then you are as dumb as I am!

Furthermore, had Surprise not screwed with FDG assessment and others the GOP survives.  The die was cast when Steve and the crew hired Surprise and dictated the advancement of their post reval agenda.  Didn't work and they know it.  The GOP should be happy they are keeping Steve T's appts around.  They sabatoged him and they will sabatoge FDG crew.  And its true I am an outcast.  But is that so bad all things considered????


Again peeps, I don't buy it. I don't think it was the hiring of surprise as much as it was the letting go of macjecka. THAT seems to really be the issue. Surprise may not be a gem but neither was macjecka. That just boils down to a 'party preference'! It's done all the time when there's a changing of the guard. Just look at this town hall and you can see it's done ALL the time....But to imply that this entire change of events hinges on rotterdam's assessors office is ridiculous.

The real crux of the issue is that rotterdam now has a town board that ran for their own personal motivations and a political party that cheered them on like they were the best thing since sliced bread, while also promising that they will be the saviors of people's tax issues!! It was clearly a misguided campaign from the top right down to the bottom.

As far as you being an outcast.....well that's what happens when anyone becomes a 'party  person', which is exactly why I am a blank. No loyalties except to my ideology and a candidate I choose to support. Politics is clearly a cesspool!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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haha That's funny. Del Gallo, the independent business man is being run by County Dems?  So it's true that he is no leader...because if her WAS, he wouldn't allow the influence to grab hold of the town's business.
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County influence.  Our town is being run from the sixth floor at the county office bldg.  Sad but true.


Of course it is. That was the plan. This is just the beginning. County dispatch, next will be the RPD. But it appears that when the county dems wanted to be the heroes of the LL field, the rotterdam dems were cheering them on!!!!! Most of the residents KNEW that this was just the beginning.

Sorry....it's a little too late now. Surprise, Mallaley, Liccardi nor the last admin is not to blame for rotterdam's present dire state of affairs. The dems have no one to blame but themselves for being too complacent and blindly loyal to their party AND for supporting this bunch!






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County influence.  Our town is being run from the sixth floor at the county office bldg.  Sad but true.


You got that one right Peeper...

Once Savage, Gardner et al finally seized the County I knew it would only be a matter of time before they "consolidate" their
power...consuming all of the towns within the county...all courtesy of the union operatives who have been running the Schenectady
County Conservative Party on behalf of the Democrats, who long ago understood that the only way for them to secure the swing vote
of the Conservative line was to control it. Once Paul Brown gave them the county, they knew they needed more municipal-specific
organization to begin the process of swallowing the towns...the PBAs were the answer...and well established Democrat support for
union agendas made it simple.

I don't how there can be any doubts about who controls the Schenectady County Conservative Party....and they will destroy everything
they touch...we've had this conversation Peeper...I hope you'll think about it now.  
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The real crux of the issue is that rotterdam now has a town board that ran for their own personal motivations and a political party that cheered them on like they were the best thing since sliced bread, while also promising that they will be the saviors of people's tax issues!! It was clearly a misguided campaign from the top right down to the bottom.



       Your comment on the town board running for "personal motivations" is spot on.  What was disturbing last night was the fractured coherence of the board.  On the centalized dispatch issue, Bob G. requested the vote be tabled until more facts could be gleaned.  NO ONE seconded the motion!  Clear sign of disrespect.  Nikki D. on REMS, "I'm here for the people!", although absent on all the spot zones.  Maximize your support is the name of the game.  After Tony G. filibustered for just short of a half hour with the Glenville plane crashing into the Mohawk River scenario, Bob G. raised a number of good issues on central dispatch.  20 yr. contract committment, problems with the maintenance use equation, only one other muni (Niskayuna) on board with the plan, etc.  Blatant power struggles and internal bickering, even people in the audience were cracking up!  More motions were made so fast that no one even knew what resolution they were working on.  Pretty ugly, and I predict it will get worse!  Who could possibly generate interest as a candidate to serve the town in that environment!
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