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DemocraticVoiceOfReason
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rediculiss ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

a boss teling an worker what to do




There is a lot more to this issue than a "boss telling a worker what to do".  Without going into all the details onthe matter,  I - speaking as a town resident - will just say that I agree with the 4 workers 1,000 %.    


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There is a lot more to this issue than a "boss telling a worker what to do".  Without going into all the details onthe matter,  I - speaking as a town resident - will just say that I agree with the 4 workers 1,000 %.    


they need to get over their feelings.....move on


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they need to get over their feelings.....move on


This is about more than just feelings.   It was an illegal move.   More than that it was unnecessary and has caused disruption when it was not necessary.   Nothing was gained by doing these moves  and a lot has been lost.


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This is about more than just feelings.   It was an illegal move.   More than that it was unnecessary and has caused disruption when it was not necessary.   Nothing was gained by doing these moves  and a lot has been lost.


illegal as opposed to what? special contracts? in this little town I'm sure alot has not been lost except for document shredding...
as for gain,,,,I'm quite confident those folks will do fine.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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now lets throw in a potential article 78 by members of FDG's own party


time will tell  -  10 days or so


what is he trying to do


run this town like a business....  right into the ground


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Article 78 Proceedings - How to Appeal an Agency Decision    
Housing and Eviction  
Written by Jeff Hogue    
http://www.Lawny.org

An Article 78 proceeding is used to appeal the decision of a New York state or local agency to the New York courts.

What can I do if I get a decision from a New York agency that I disagree with?

If you disagree with an agency decision, you can appeal the decision to the New York courts. This case that you file to appeal the decision is called an "Article 78 Proceeding." It is named after the section of New York law that sets out the rules for this kind of case: Article 78 of the New York Civil Practice Laws and Rules. Most people ask us about this kind of case after they have lost a fair hearing decision against the Department of Social Services (DSS). Some other kinds of decisions by government agencies, such as housing authorities, can also be appealed to a court using the Article 78 proceeding.

Do I need a lawyer?

No, but Article 78 Proceedings are usually filed by a lawyer, so it may be hard to file the papers you need (a Notice of Petition and a Petition) by yourself. We strongly recommend that you find a lawyer to help you. If you do not know of one, you can contact the New York State Lawyer Referral and Information Service. Their toll free number is 1-800-342-3661. They may be able to give you the names of lawyers in the area who handle this type of matter and would be willing to meet with you at the rate of $35 for an initial half-hour consultation.

In what court do I file my appeal?

You usually have to file your appeal in the New York State Supreme Court. Each county has its own Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is usually located at the County Courthouse.

Is there a time deadline for filing an Article 78 proceeding?

Yes. Article 78 proceedings must be filed within four months of the date you receive the decision you want to appeal. Check with a lawyer as soon as you can to find out if your deadline is even shorter.

What do I have to do to win?

Many people lose Article 78 proceedings, even in cases that seem very unfair. Only a lawyer who listens to the facts of your case can give you a good answer about whether you may win your case.

One argument you can raise is that the agency didn't follow its own rules when it made the decision. Two of the other things the court can consider are 1) whether the decision was "arbitrary and capricious" or 2) not supported by "substantial evidence". These words have special legal meanings. "Arbitrary and capricious" means the decision is not reasonably related to the facts of the case. "Substantial evidence" is evidence that a reasonable person would accept as enough to support the agency's decision. If you lost a hearing, you probably feel that you should win on both of these issues. New York courts very often decide in favor of the agency if the agency has written down some reason for its decision, even if many people would think the decision was wrong.

Can I do anything else besides filing an Article 78 proceeding?

If your case involves rights protected by the U.S. Constitution or legality of a federal law, you may be able to file a case in the federal court or in the New York State Supreme Court. In that case, you may have up to three years from the date of the fair hearing decision to file your case. It is usually safest to challenge to the fair hearing decision within four months of the date of the decision anyway, or sooner, to make sure that you do not miss a time deadline.



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Legal Assistance of Western New York, Inc.

This article provides general information about this subject. Laws affecting this subject may have changed since this article was written. For specific legal advice about a problem you are having, get the advice of a lawyer. Receiving this information does not make you a client of our office.



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FYI - the 78 is not by the union employees

there are other currents under foot


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There's nothing wrong with cross training but I think this is much more about revenge and paranoid officials.
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illegal as opposed to what? special contracts? in this little town I'm sure alot has not been lost except for document shredding...
as for gain,,,,I'm quite confident those folks will do fine.....


The illegal part has to do with the terms of the contract(s) with municipal employees.   You would have to ask the union leader for the specifics ... but the move was illegal.

A lot has been lost --- Diane Martin did a great job in the Supervisor's Office.  She knew how to get the things done that needed to get done and was always professional and courteous to everyone who entered that office.

Molly was fantastic at the Senior Center -- knew her job and did it well ... professional and courteous.  

I do not know the other two employees -- so I can't say anything except what I have heard -- and that is they did well where they were at.

Bottomline -- there was no real need to move the employees around.   Nothing was gained.  It has stirred up animosity and ill-will.  It has hurt morale among town employees.   It opens the town to potential litigation.   It was a dumbass thing to do.


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I hope the ladies file, file, file more grievances against DM. She has been getting away with her BS for way
too long!  GOOD LUCK LADIES!


You have it all wrong they are part timers with no protection and they are not
grievances. They need to follow policy and do their job that tax payers are paying them for. They make $8.50 hour and can eat for free the entire time they
work. MC is a full time employee and the Seniors want her back FDG said it was
cross trainning HA! HA! another lie.DM is a part time employee and does a
wonderful job and the Seniors love her. She does not BS anybody!! She tells you
the truth and sometimes the truth hurts!!!!!
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The illegal part has to do with the terms of the contract(s) with municipal employees.   You would have to ask the union leader for the specifics ... but the move was illegal.

A lot has been lost --- Diane Martin did a great job in the Supervisor's Office.  She knew how to get the things done that needed to get done and was always professional and courteous to everyone who entered that office.

Molly was fantastic at the Senior Center -- knew her job and did it well ... professional and courteous.  

I do not know the other two employees -- so I can't say anything except what I have heard -- and that is they did well where they were at.

Bottomline -- there was no real need to move the employees around.   Nothing was gained.  It has stirred up animosity and ill-will.  It has hurt morale among town employees.   It opens the town to potential litigation.   It was a dumbass thing to do.




he said......"dumba$$"


but   - well put


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FYI - the 78 is not by the union employees

there are other currents under foot


there usually are.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Clark Collins did nothing for Ritano when the Reps came in and eliminated her job.  There was plenty of noise made by seniors.  In fact they wouldn't even let ST speak at a meeting.  But in the end Ritano was out.  She ran the place like a top.  Never, never over spent.  Money was left in everyone of the budget lines.  Did more for the seniors than anyone has ever done.  And did her own secretarial work.  The senior center is almost non-existent.  No wonder Jack Sheily is on the Parks and Rec commission.  Starting to combine offices-money saver.  I suspect Molly provided stability because they haven't had any since Riitano left.
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Clark Collins did nothing for Ritano when the Reps came in and eliminated her job.  There was plenty of noise made by seniors.  In fact they wouldn't even let ST speak at a meeting.  But in the end Ritano was out.  She ran the place like a top.  Never, never over spent.  Money was left in everyone of the budget lines.  Did more for the seniors than anyone has ever done.  And did her own secretarial work.  The senior center is almost non-existent.  No wonder Jack Sheily is on the Parks and Rec commission.  Starting to combine offices-money saver.  I suspect Molly provided stability because they haven't had any since Riitano left.



Boomer -- you think highly of this Riitano person!   ROTFLMAO  
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Boomer -- you think highly of this Riitano person!   ROTFLMAO  


YA THINK????


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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