I will break my silence on this issue --- after reading the town code on race tracks and doing some of my own checking out of the matter --- it IS a racetrack If they want to continue to operate then they need to get the various approvals, provide proof of insurance, and pay for a permit to operate a race track. If the code enforcement person or inspector says it is not a racetrack -- then the Town Supervisor and/or Town Board should overrule that decision and say that it IS a racetrack.
What kind of checking out the matter. I have been riding my motorcycle on Mark's property many times. I have never seen any actual racing. I have see multiple persons riding at the same time, but I have never seen an actual racing event of any kind.
After reading most of the earlier posts it seems that the noise is the real issue with the neighbors. That is a cut and dried issue. If the noise exceeds the allowable levels at the restricted hours of noise, then the neighbors have a case.
I wish my neighbors did things differently, but unless they violate the law, I just have to live with it.
The Albany Saratoga Speedway issue comes to mind. It has been in operation since the 70s. The neighborhood has been built up around it and the neighbors try regularly to have the track shut down, using various loophole ordinances.
Mark's property has always been used industrially. The motorcycles are no louder than the bulldozers and other heavy equipment.
I was advised of proper hours of use and proper conduct while using the property and I have never seen anyone that did not follow the rules.
That is not racing. There is no start or finish lines, no track officials, no competition. If it is being used for racing events it should be easy to produce a video of actual races. People riding off-road vehicles on private property is not a racetrack.
I live 4 yards away and I can't think when they run
Rose shonie please add 1559 helderberg to tomorrows discussion please put an end to the race track
...This situation is ridiculous and should have been addressed last year!
My neighbor sits on his front porch all day, every day with his stereo blasting and he has a couch that he drinks beer on.
Does it annoy me? Sometimes.
He isn't violating any laws, so I accept it and move on.
Every day. From the time the snow melts to the time it starts falling again. Sometimes gangsta rap, sometimes country music, sometimes rock and roll, sometimes death metal, sometimes Irish drinking songs. I can even hear it while mowing my lawn. Hearing noise is not grounds to harass someone.
My neighbor sits on his front porch all day, every day with his stereo blasting and he has a couch that he drinks beer on.
Does it annoy me? Sometimes.
He isn't violating any laws, so I accept it and move on.
Every day. From the time the snow melts to the time it starts falling again. Sometimes gangsta rap, sometimes country music, sometimes rock and roll, sometimes death metal, sometimes Irish drinking songs. I can even hear it while mowing my lawn. Hearing noise is not grounds to harass someone.
§ 222-2. Definitions. RACETRACK Any ground, area or track upon which races, contests or demonstrations of skill or stunts are conducted for the enjoyment or entertainment of the public or for the gratification of the contestants which employ go-carts, stock cars, motor scooters, midget autos, motorcycles, motor vehicles or other vehicles propelled by a force other than human energy.
That is not racing. There is no start or finish lines, no track officials, no competition. If it is being used for racing events it should be easy to produce a video of actual races. People riding off-road vehicles on private property is not a racetrack.
No one said that the "racing" needs to be organized or advertised The fact that people spectate is real close to "racing".
I live 3 blocks to the north and at least one block to the west of this track and I can hear them clearly on any day they run there. I have NEVER heard a bulldozer or heavy truck coming from there, so I beg to differ on it being the same type of "noise" as that.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
§ 222-2. Definitions. RACETRACK Any ground, area or track upon which races, contests or demonstrations of skill or stunts are conducted for the enjoyment or entertainment of the public or for the gratification of the contestants which employ go-carts, stock cars, motor scooters, midget autos, motorcycles, motor vehicles or other vehicles propelled by a force other than human energy.
Town Code is considered Law isn't it??
By your interpretation that would mean that no off-road vehicle could ever be used in Rotterdam. The definition of a race or contest is the determining factor.
Gratification of the contestants requires a race or contest to exist. Otherwise snowmobiling and trail riding would be banned from the entire town.
No one said that the "racing" needs to be organized or advertised The fact that people spectate is real close to "racing".
I live 3 blocks to the north and at least one block to the west of this track and I can hear them clearly on any day they run there. I have NEVER heard a bulldozer or heavy truck coming from there, so I beg to differ on it being the same type of "noise" as that.
Observing people enjoying themselves is not racing.
You never heard a bulldozer or other heavy equipment sound?
Observing people enjoying themselves is not racing.
You never heard a bulldozer or other heavy equipment sound?
You have selective hearing.
I have never heard dozers running from three blocks away. I can hear the bikes/Atv's it so well, I can tell whether its a two stroke or four stroke motor running. I didn't know the town statute until it was just posted...it's even more clear to me this, in the towns code, IS a racetrack. But, what do you care? You just ride your vehicles there and piss on the residents.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
That is incorrect. By your standards I could charge you with racing your lawn tractor.
Why don't you re-read the statute? But then again, it might be a waste of time. I'm starting to doubt your reading comprehension .
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
it seems like people just don't like motorcycles.....been that way for years...
This is not racing.....it is pleasure riding.....there are no contestants ....but a few people riding for enjoyment......have you ever been to a motorcycle race???
don't knock it.......it's far better to have the pleasure riding any day......sitting in my home far from the highway/.///that's all you hear from dawn and past
dusk is HARLEYS...can I complain about that.....that is 24/7......
Get some ear muffs and enjoy life.....these kids are not roaming around robbing, hurting anyone.....and mostly drinking while riding.....
Understand.....the law in Rotterdam is not specific enough to say it is RACING......
Complain about the big trucks up and down all day long....polluting the environment.....about the cars racing past schools and not paying attention to signs''
Complain about the trains day and night....and the blowing of their warnings....too many times....disturbing as hell....
Complain about the animals running loose and dangerous...
Then go to Town Hall and complain about the corruption in the REGIME,,,
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